Well folks
Just after watching the Kerry vs Roscommon match and there was an awful lot of cynicism from Roscommon in the last 10 mins.......pulling,dragging, kicking the ball away, tactical fouling. Kevin McStay criticised Tyrone and other teams for years when he was sitting in the RTE studio about this kind of thing. Now after his second game in the league he is sending out his team to do the exact same thing. Anyone who watched the game today I'm sure would agree with me.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 07/02/2016 20:57:45    1823238

@ The Fridge ; As your username suggests buddy you need to chill! How do you know Kevin mcstay sends his players out to behave in this manner? That type of carry on is very seldom encouraged by managers and is purely spur of the moment stuff by players when caught up in a game!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 08/02/2016 14:47:17    1823531

Funny how these lads only pick up on these sort of things when you start winning.
Maybe some people are starting to get a little bit worried that they might be meeting Roscommon at some point in the not too distant future.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 08/02/2016 19:23:36    1823676

I would definantly worry if Tyrone got Roscommon.....they are a great team in a higher division than us with great under age structures. It was an obvious observation from the game on Sunday.....they were very cynical. If this was Tyrone or Donegal there would be 15 treads with 100's of comments slating the cynical nature and "death of football" tribe.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 08/02/2016 19:59:35    1823687

A great win by Roscommon yesterday and they were very unfortunate not to have 4 points going forward- a very difficult task to go to Killarney at any time of year and come away with a victory

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 08/02/2016 20:39:45    1823716

Extremely cynical from roscommon. The number 23 or 26 who came on deserved a straight red as well as a good slap. I have no time for those sort of antics. Something seriously wrong with the rules if a team can get away with that without any sanction. Disgusting behaviour from some of their players

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 08/02/2016 20:57:04    1823732

You could divide this thread into 2 sub threads.

Are Roscommon dirty?

Do some counties get unfair profile in this regard compared to other counties?

Answer is yes and yes.

That does not justify getting your moneys worth because you are going to be criticised anyway, this results in preemptive negativity on the pitch. I am at a loss as to how to square this circle, but as far as I can see so far, at least donegal cant be criticized yet.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 08/02/2016 21:41:22    1823752

Touch of hypocrisy alright but they will need this cynical edge to survive in Div 1. EVERY team at the top level has this raw side so I wouldn't be overly critical. However it's the usual double standatds that are nauseating. Only Tyrone, Donegal and Monaghan get called out on this forum and within the GAA and Dublin media. It's total hypocrisy.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9697 - 08/02/2016 21:45:18    1823753

s goldrick

Only straight red in yesterdays game was the Kerry lad that punched R Daly on the chin and he was kicked on the ground for good measure and D Walsh who hit Fintan Cregg in the face. The ref missed both and he allowed the Kerry goal even though their were 12 steps and he also added on 8 minutes for injury time for what i don't know.

ispeakwisdom (Roscommon) - Posts: 2487 - 08/02/2016 21:49:33    1823755

Maybe he isn't telling them to do it at all and it is just mysteriously happening - like tyrone under harte...

The reality is teams have to do this now if they want to win. The tone was lowered and if you don't go with it you get left behind. That doesn't mean McStay agrees with the principle though.

On a sidenote, Id say that gaelic football is noticeably more cynical than soccer now, with just as much diving etc to boot. We scoffed at soccer for long enough on that front, so how do we feel when the shoe is on the other foot?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 09/02/2016 09:10:04    1823770

Don't think that GAA has become more cynical with diving etc - there has always been diving in the game and people trying to get an advantage for themselves/con the referee or whatever you want to call it. What has changed is that the spotlight is being put on it for one reason or another. It's like those who try to convince themselves that the GAA wasn't dirty until those 'Nordies' brought rough and negative tactics in to the game whereas there is nothing new in the game which hasn't been going on for decades or probably the inception on the Organisation. I blame Joe Duffy.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/02/2016 10:03:12    1823787

I think the Welford manager had something to say about Antrim's approach to the game at the weekend. I suppose you have to pay heed to the comments of the Cavan poster as he would have plenty of experience of such behaviour. Resorting to giving a fellow 'a slap' is an interesting approach to dealing with indiscipline.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 09/02/2016 10:20:24    1823800

I think the Welford manager had something to say about Antrim's approach to the game at the weekend.

I think the Wexford manager needs to dry his eyes and take his beating. Oh, and maybe look at his own backroom staff before preaching though maybe he doesn't do irony.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 09/02/2016 10:56:00    1823822

s goldrick

Only straight red in yesterdays game was the Kerry lad that punched R Daly on the chin and he was kicked on the ground for good measure and D Walsh who hit Fintan Cregg in the face. The ref missed both and he allowed the Kerry goal even though their were 12 steps and he also added on 8 minutes for injury time for what i don't know.

ispeakwisdom (Roscommon) - Posts:1492 - 08/02/2016 21:49:33 1823

That's the guy ispeakwisdom , R. Daly. agree Donnacha Walsh should have seen red in a seperate incident (though that wasn't cynical or premeditated , it was just a rush of blood. The daly chap wouldn't let go of the Kerry player's jersey (I think it was the young number 2) he simply kept pulling and pulling like a dog with a rag. what are you supposed to do. I know what I would have done and he would think twice about doing it again. Lee Keegan did the same thing against galway last year. and the Kerry players did something similar against Mayo in Limerick. So I am not singling out Roscommon, though it does seem that they are the latest to jump on the cynical bandwagon. As I say it's disgusting and officials should punish it with a red card.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 09/02/2016 10:58:24    1823826

I think the Welford manager had something to say about Antrim's approach to the game at the weekend. I suppose you have to pay heed to the comments of the Cavan poster as he would have plenty of experience of such behaviour. Resorting to giving a fellow 'a slap' is an interesting approach to dealing with indiscipline.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts:146 - 09/02/2016 10:20:24 1

it is incredible that no one seems to see any wrong in their own county's behaviour. I don't see what me being from Cavan has to do with it. When instances of cynical behaviour is pointed out with the Cavan team I will acknowledge it.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 09/02/2016 11:01:20    1823830

Nice guys finish last unfortunately. For cynical play read "game management".

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9115 - 09/02/2016 11:13:17    1823838

In my opinion, R Daly embarrassed himself with his behaviour and so did no10.
Ros got bullied by monaghan and Kerry got bullied by ros.

manager5 (Galway) - Posts: 724 - 09/02/2016 11:21:18    1823843

Interesting that Fergal O'Donnell did the interviews when Roscommon were beaten but McStay stepped up when they won.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1056 - 09/02/2016 11:46:50    1823867

Or maybe Eddie they are going to do it game about? Everyone tries to read too much into everything nowadays.
Also agree that the Wexford manager should quit his crying and get on with it, embarrassing stuff. Unfortunately this type of whinging that they done this and then they done that is becoming all the more common. Take your beating and move on, only hands players an excuse to hang defeats on.
No doubt Ros used every trick in the book to try and kill out the last few minutes, have to admit I had a wry smile when watching and thinking of some of the guff McStay has come out with over the years but unlike punditry management is all about results

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 09/02/2016 12:32:16    1823895

In my opinion, R Daly embarrassed himself with his behaviour and so did no10.
Ros got bullied by monaghan and Kerry got bullied by ros.

manager5 (Galway) - Posts:660 - 09/02/2016 11:21:18

Ronan Daly was the Roscommon player that got the punch in the mouth I don't see how you make out he embarrassed himself. Since when is it allowed to give a punch to the face. Twice on Sunday Kerry players done it and both times escaped punishment. So if anyone embarrassed themselves it was Kerry's indiscipline and the poor match officials'.

Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 09/02/2016 12:37:24    1823896