It was definetely one of the most peculiar happenings of the weekend. Was there a T.V. in the dressing room? Did some upper authority tell the referee what to do? Or did the referee and his officials really see the blow?

PortInFaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 472 - 06/07/2015 14:20:30    1748471

The linesman seen the incident,he should have been sent off earlier,not sure why that did not happen..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 06/07/2015 14:26:48    1748479

Don't know about linesman but umpires definitely saw the incident but for some reason couldn't draw the attention of the referee before half time .

Does anyone know what would have happened if Mossy had made himself scarce at half time ? What could the referee have done if he had left the building ?

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 06/07/2015 14:42:58    1748505

As stated above umpires clearly saw it but couldnt get the attention of the ref, It was about 1 min before half time and the ball never went back down that end of pitch so was not easy get refs attention. Even if it had been seen on TV at half time by the officals would that have been a bad thing?? There is no question it was a certain red card so should officals not be able to use everything they can to make the correct decisions. We have hawk eye to help for score keeping.

Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 06/07/2015 15:05:47    1748544

Does anyone know if the referee was within his rights to send Corr off? if the substitution had been made and the slip accepted by the 4th official? Im not debating the correctness of the decision im just wondering if technically the referee was within his powers to do so. Any of you rules buff's able to clarify the point here.

indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 112 - 06/07/2015 15:21:24    1748570

oh and another thing I thought that one umpire at each end was wired up with a mic to the ref. if so why couldn't they communicate with the ref beforehand.

indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 112 - 06/07/2015 15:23:39    1748576

Corr hobbling back onto the field to receive his red card looked like something from Fr Ted! But was told from a reliable source that he was in fact injured.

bananaskin (Monaghan) - Posts: 47 - 06/07/2015 16:56:08    1748706

bananaskin

Corr hobbling back onto the field to receive his red card looked like something from Fr Ted!

Very funny all right and very embarrassing, will cringe looking at that.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 06/07/2015 19:06:27    1748805

Both should have been sent off but only one was.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 06/07/2015 19:15:02    1748809

Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 9791

1748809 Both should have been sent off but only one was

I presume when you say two players should have gone you also mean the Cavan number 6 who attempted a stamp and then proceeded to try pull a player off the ground who had just received a cowardly punch to the back of the head?? I think it would have been harsh send him off too mainly because he missed with his stamp.It would have ruined game even more had Cavan gone down to 13 players, Ref made right call

Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 07/07/2015 10:34:52    1749014

oh and another thing I thought that one umpire at each end was wired up with a mic to the ref. if so why couldn't they communicate with the ref beforehand.

Correct. And as Naysayer pointed out on the thread I started on this the ref clearly pointed to his ear piece and the umpires when Roscommon were debating a decision in the first half so there was obviously no techinical issues with the microphones and ear pieces.

Also agree with Cavan_Slasher - if the incident was seen then how come there wasn't a red for the Roscommon player who instigated the whole thing and got a slap for his troubles?

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 07/07/2015 11:13:32    1749061

Instigated the whole thing??? what thing there was no thing lads pulling each other and corr struck out with a sly dig when ros player wasn't looking. Since when did a player warrant a red card for receiving a box??

Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 07/07/2015 11:21:47    1749074

Corr should have accepted his red once he eventually got it - but Cavan had made the change 15 mins earlier (I assume like all teams, they made it as soon as they got into the dressing room) so they should have continued with 15 men. Corr got his red and would not have been allowed back on (if fit and required).

The big issue here is that Corr was not replaced with a midfield player - so it is fair to assume that Argue was being moved to midfield and Cavan were planning for the 2nd hald with 15 men - half time is the best chance a manager has to make major changes and Cavan were denied this opportunity due to poor officiating!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 07/07/2015 11:25:26    1749079

Pingcity
County: Longford
Posts: 141

1749014
Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 9791

1748809 Both should have been sent off but only one was

I presume when you say two players should have gone you also mean the Cavan number 6 who attempted a stamp and then proceeded to try pull a player off the ground who had just received a punch to the back of the head?? I think it would have been harsh send him off too mainly because he missed with his stamp.It would have ruined game even more had Cavan gone down to 13 players, Ref made right call

The number 6 did not attempt to stamp this was looked at closly on the sunday Game and they both said he didnt. Hanley came over to Flanagan No 6 and raised his hand to him shoving him hoping to provoke a reaction as he was on a yellow card already. Flanagan didnt respond but Corr ran towards Hanley who proceeded to grap Corr and swing him around. On his way back around he sung at Hanley connecting with him. He deserved his red but Hanley getting away scott free was wrong. The ref was in contact with his officials by mic clearly shown on tv before Martin Reilly free. He should have dealt with it then and there.

In relation to the point disallowed the ref was wrong Rule 4.9 states
4.9 For an attacking player to enter opponents'
small rectangle:
(a) During Play (excluding Set Play), before the
final play of the ball into the small rectangle.
(b) In Set Play, before the ball enters the small
rectangle.
74
Exceptions
(i) If an attacking player legally enters the
small rectangle, and the ball is played
from that area but is returned before the
attacking player has time to leave the
area, provided he does not play the ball
or interfere with the defence, a foul is not
committed.
(ii) When a point is scored from outside the
small rectangle and the ball is sufficiently
high to be out of reach of all players, the
score shall be allowed even though an
attacking player may have been otherwise
illegally within the small rectangle before
the ball - provided that the player in
question does not interfere with the
defence.

evano11 (Cavan) - Posts: 265 - 07/07/2015 12:11:54    1749121

A few years ago there was an incident in the tunnel as players left the field at half time. Can't remember who was playing but game was in Clones.
Referee issued cards at start of second half.
I saw a lad get a red card after the full time whistle was blown in a club match. Was on a yellow and abused the ref as he was leaving the field. The ref issued another yellow and then a red. He sent report to county board. Not sure what became of it as it was a second yellow offence and it was also an opposing player.

Mossy Corr deserved the red. I was in terrace beside side line so had good view. They were shoving eachother when Mossy lost his cool and struck the player on the back of the head.
No place for it in the game. Sending off was correct decision. The sooner it becomes a criminal offence to strike on a pitch the better as players just wont do it. Same rules should apply there as on the public streets.

FrDougalMaguire (Cavan) - Posts: 152 - 07/07/2015 12:12:27    1749122

Down with this sort of thing !!

FrDougalMaguire (Cavan) - Posts: 152 - 07/07/2015 12:13:52    1749126

Cavanman

I totally agree in and ideal situation the ref should have produced the red card before half time but from where i was sitting at the match i could see both umpires discussing incident and then try get refs attention. They had to make sure they alerted ref to the right man the incident was in injury time its not as if he played five minutes before end of half there was hardly a minute played. I also dont by into hyland saying he was unaware of it and made sub due to injury they done what any team would try and hope ref wouldnt take action but he done the right thing. Like its not as if there was uproar from cavan bench over the card there didnt seem to be too many attaching the ref to no what the card was for. I am still in disbelief as to how some people think both players deserved reds

Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 07/07/2015 12:25:52    1749140

Suppose it depends how you view things PingCity - I don't think Corr just lashed out for no reason. But back to the umpires - why did they not use the microphones to get the refs attention - like they did earlier in the half?

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 07/07/2015 12:40:38    1749154

evano11
County: Cavan
Posts: 201

1749121 Pingcity
County: Longford
Posts: 141

1749014
Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 9791

1748809 Both should have been sent off but only one was

I presume when you say two players should have gone you also mean the Cavan number 6 who attempted a stamp and then proceeded to try pull a player off the ground who had just received a punch to the back of the head?? I think it would have been harsh send him off too mainly because he missed with his stamp.It would have ruined game even more had Cavan gone down to 13 players, Ref made right call

The number 6 did not attempt to stamp this was looked at closly on the sunday Game and they both said he didnt. Hanley came over to Flanagan No 6 and raised his hand to him shoving him hoping to provoke a reaction as he was on a yellow card already. Flanagan didnt respond but Corr ran towards Hanley who proceeded to grap Corr and swing him around. On his way back around he sung at Hanley connecting with him. He deserved his red but Hanley getting away scott free was wrong. The ref was in contact with his officials by mic clearly shown on tv before Martin Reilly free. He should have dealt with it then and there.

In relation to the point disallowed the ref was wrong Rule 4.9 states
4.9 For an attacking player to enter opponents'
small rectangle:
(a) During Play (excluding Set Play), before the
final play of the ball into the small rectangle.
(b) In Set Play, before the ball enters the small
rectangle.
74
Exceptions
(i) If an attacking player legally enters the
small rectangle, and the ball is played
from that area but is returned before the
attacking player has time to leave the
area, provided he does not play the ball
or interfere with the defence, a foul is not
committed.
(ii) When a point is scored from outside the
small rectangle and the ball is sufficiently
high to be out of reach of all players, the
score shall be allowed even though an
attacking player may have been otherwise
illegally within the small rectangle before
the ball - provided that the player in
question does not interfere with the
defence.
Whos Hanley?? Surprised you dont no his name considering he was best player on pitch

Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 07/07/2015 12:41:00    1749155

Offside_Rule
County: Antrim
Posts: 2372

1749154 Suppose it depends how you view things PingCity - I don't think Corr just lashed out for no reason. But back to the umpires - why did they not use the microphones to get the refs attention - like they did earlier in the half?

But there was nothing else in it honestly i seen the punch myself from the stands and have had benifit of tv also. There was pulling going on but how many times in every game do you see that just because one player over reacted and hit a punch doesnt mean they both should be sent off. He lost the head end off you could see in his face he new the card was coming jogging out to the ref. I cant explain to you why they didnt but all i no is the umpire seen it tryied to draw refs attention before he blew for half time didnt obviously but informed ref walking off pitch at half time and correctly card was shown before play resumed after half time

Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 07/07/2015 12:58:39    1749165