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Discuss the pros and cons of this Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 28/01/2015 13:06:01 1687344 Link 0 |
Pros - retain possession and then get the ball into the full forward line or even take a score. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13694 - 28/01/2015 14:02:22 1687378 Link 0 |
Definitely need to trust your defenders touch/catch. Also the goalie needs to be fairly accurate. Dropping it short/too long for the defender can be a disaster. deadybai (Kilkenny) - Posts: 63 - 28/01/2015 16:52:19 1687456 Link 0 |
definitely can be useful for a team that might not have ball winners in midfield or half forward line. valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 28/01/2015 17:03:45 1687459 Link 0 |
A great option if teams practise and use it. A neat way of getting ball where you ultimately want it to go. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4892 - 28/01/2015 20:54:35 1687550 Link 0 |
Personally, I hate seeing it, its completely pointless unless the goalie has a terrible puc out. Nearly always results in the defender hitting under pressure, belting it up the field, only reaching less distance than the goalie would have (that or else the defender losing it, and an easy score for the opposition). Id rather see it banned in hurling than football, at least in th peil it has a point flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 29/01/2015 11:09:20 1687640 Link 0 |
a viable tactic if able to be performed properly like all other tactics i guess i see no problem with it at all. hurler in the ditch (Louth) - Posts: 439 - 29/01/2015 11:36:07 1687652 Link 0 |
when we say short puck out, are we saying to full or half backs? Half backs are fine if they are able to take a score. It will not work for long though as teams will soon close this avenue off. If it is to the full backs then they are likely to be hitting the ball into a very crowded forward area with the opposition having a lot of cover. These are the pros. bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 29/01/2015 11:40:50 1687656 Link 0 |
It was used very effectively by Cork in the early noughties. Cusack had great understanding with Seán Óg, Gardiner and O'Connor and his puck outs were often basis for Cork scores. I notice actually that from my limited viewing of Dublin under Cunningham that a not dissimilar style is perhaps being employed. It is like everything else, including the Dublin footballrs, any effective tactic will eventually be countered, as Cork hurler's was by the Cats although arguably that Cork team's best days were over before KK really hit their peak. hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 29/01/2015 12:12:49 1687674 Link 0 |
Partly why I brought it up HurlingDub Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 29/01/2015 13:29:08 1687707 Link 0 |
massive effective if done well. absolute It totally dismantled Kilkenny in 04. Damine Fitzhenry,Declan Ruth,Darragh Ryan and Rory McCarthy had a meeting behind manager John Conran's back to devise the game plan for the leister semi final. In previous years the senior players were immensely dissatisfied by the manager's "your big enough now, go out and hurl them" attitude with little or no game plan so they took matters into their own hands. It worked a treat with fitzhenry being deadly accurate and always finding a man inside his own half to build attacks from there and take Kilkenny's awesome half back line completely out of the game. Kilkenny had no answer. Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2600 - 29/01/2015 13:41:03 1687711 Link 0 |
Brianmac78 MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13694 - 29/01/2015 14:14:01 1687718 Link 0 |
it only ever worked in 2004, especially by wexford. its a complete waste now, nothing good ever comes out of it, the ball just ends up being driven up, usually shorter and to an even more bunched up defence, often enough the defender fools around in a semi panic before passing it back to the goalie! who now has to hit his "puc out" with the forward breathing down his neck. and thats at intercounty, at club level its a complete disaster, fumbles, `poking, end up invariably with a free in and maybe a booking for the poor unfortunate corner back who was only too embarrassed to say he didnt even want the ble****g ball in the first place. flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 29/01/2015 15:31:25 1687745 Link 0 |
Doyler, I had neglected to mention yourselves. Cork I thought made good enough use of it for a while, but of course it can be countered. It was more than 'tapping it' to Sullivan by the way! Cusack's puck outs to the wings or occasionally centrally, were bullets which as someone said requires great accuracy, speed and a cool receiver who can make use of it. I played in the backs and worst nightmare was seeing a puckout from ourselves heading my way so huge respect for any back who can use it the way Seán Óg and Gardiner and Kenny did! hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 29/01/2015 18:55:05 1687854 Link 0 |
Check Gleeson's performance for Tipp v Cork in this year's All-Ireland semi-final. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13694 - 29/01/2015 19:55:32 1687874 Link 0 |
But check him out v Kilkenny, who were on to him, especially 2nd match. Completely neutralized and impotent flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 29/01/2015 20:56:51 1687902 Link 0 |
flack MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13694 - 29/01/2015 21:16:13 1687912 Link 0 |
short puck out game requires modern goal keepers. who are quick to get the ball after a score/wide, have the vision to spot an available teammate and most of all accuracy. hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1941 - 29/01/2015 21:22:23 1687918 Link 0 |
Short puckouts are probably more effective at club level where most goalies will have a few balls in the net ready to go. You really need to be ready to hit the puck out as the ball is going dead. This gives the defender the most time possible to look up and pick someone out. This is harder at inter county level because the umpires tend to hold onto the balls which slows it down and gives the forwards a change to get back into position. Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 29/01/2015 21:43:29 1687927 Link 0 |
I suppose it depends on how short, anything that involves clean possesion past the halfback line is grand flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 30/01/2015 13:51:19 1688077 Link 0 |