Refereeing inconsistency. The definition and interpretation of the tackle. Zero accountability on behalf of the referees. We simply have to make referees professionals. With the increased competition from other sports, this will come back to haunt us unless something is done.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 19/04/2014 18:33:45    1577156

You were beaten. Get over it.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 19/04/2014 18:38:20    1577164

Agree. That performance was an absolute disgrace. People are criticising the Cavan fans but Im not convinced that the ref was impartial.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 19/04/2014 18:45:03    1577178

Ned has a point. Hurlingdub there were glaring mistakes throughout that game by the referee. Even Cavan got some favourable calls. I agree the refereeing today was shocking and I would like to know what action will be taken to prevent it happening again.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 19/04/2014 18:45:11    1577179

They need to go pro alright. I'm not defending Cavan (or even talking about that match really) but it is a crisis at this stage. Inconsistency is the most shocking aspect of GAA for the past few years in my opinion.

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 19/04/2014 19:01:50    1577200

I've been saying this for years. Not the rules which are the problem but more a lack of consistency among the referees.
Probably will see a lot more controversial decisions during the championship come the summer.

hound (Meath) - Posts: 234 - 19/04/2014 19:14:17    1577211

19/04/2014 18:33:45
Ned_Stormcrow
Refereeing inconsistency. The definition and interpretation of the tackle. Zero accountability on behalf of the referees. We simply have to make referees professionals. With the increased competition from other sports, this will come back to haunt us unless something is done.How many refs would you make pro? Who would they be made accountable to?
What is the tackle? There does need to be a much more efficient method of dispossessing a player of the ball
19/04/2014 18:38:20
hurlingdub
You were beaten. Get over it.No relevance to thread. Beaten or not questions over consistency should be asked

19/04/2014 19:01:50
RebelCork
They need to go pro alright. I'm not defending Cavan (or even talking about that match really) but it is a crisis at this stage. Inconsistency is the most shocking aspect of GAA for the past few years in my opinion. How do referees get assessed?
In rugby I as a referee get a game every so often(more/less depending on the need) I get watched reffing a game by an assessor who watches and notes every decision I make and then discusses after the game with me where I was good/bad and what ive to improve on. I move up/down a grade/level if assessor decides so after watching me ref

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 19/04/2014 19:21:28    1577217

its gas its been a problem in all dublins matche throughout the league in senior football we have been getting robbed blindly
and yet not a word is said
now because cavan cannot take their beating and look for somebody to blame
officating is now a major problem.
I actually thaught he was way better then most refs I have seen this year.
he got the new rules more or less spot on. he allowed advantage which most senior refs were forgetting to do.
he gave black card where needed.gave yellows where needed.
as for the mchugh incident it was not him making the call it was the linesman and if your being honest
the linesman must have spotted the cavan player holding mchughs jersey therefore he should have told him to give dublin the free

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/04/2014 19:22:50    1577219

And the smart money says that most of them controversial decisions will favour the Dub$

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 19/04/2014 19:27:14    1577225

Does anyone agree the advantage rule has been a failure?

I've an issue with it for 2 reasons:

1. Referees bringing play back after a missed shot/pass. If a player is able to get a shot/pass away that should be advantage over as the way it is you are getting a second chance if the first one is a miss.

2. Referees playing an advantage for a 'half-foul'. They aren't sure if it's a free so play it safe and give an advantage.

All the controversy about the black card but it's the advantage rule that's caused most controversy.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 19/04/2014 19:28:37    1577227

joncarter
hasnt favoured us throughout the national league has it?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/04/2014 19:30:35    1577228

When the black card was introduced I said that because it was open to personal refereeing interpretation, human behaviour and the personal opinion of officials that we would see massive inconsistencies and accusations of bias being thrown about...what do we have now? I warned that officials could possibly be influenced by big crowds and big names and we seen it today in the Cavan/Dublin game as we have seen in ALL of Dublin's games this season. Officials appear to be reluctant and afraid to show black cards to Dublin players or give decisions against them. There is a large cloud of dissaffection looming and it could blow up in the GAA's face who appear to be quite content with filling Croke Park with Dubs and pulling in SKY money and to hell with the rest.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 19/04/2014 19:33:28    1577231

Mchugh was a black card how he gave a yellow I'll never know but the ivory incident was a free in no doubt about it, it's a ridiculous rule we got our shot off that should have been the advantage but the same happened in the first game a Roscommon player was foul he took his shot which went wide so the ref gave a free in, stupid rule but it is a rule. But there in no place in Gaa for supporters to be attacking the referee that was a disgrace and them Cavan supporters should be banned from Gaa for life.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 19/04/2014 19:40:18    1577238

clondalkin

watch the replay of the mchugh incident you will change your mind
the cavan player clearly has a hold of his jersey and pulls mchugh to ground with him

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/04/2014 19:45:25    1577245

ClonD

He was pulled down man...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 19/04/2014 19:55:38    1577262

Sorry lads only in the door I was at the game and looked a black card but I'll watch it again If you's say he was pulled down then I won't argue with you's. The Cavan supporters at the end were a disgrace no place for that in Gaa

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 19/04/2014 20:07:17    1577276

Completely agree.

1) I don't care what anyone says refs can decide a game, refs can have a dramatic impact on everything from a teams tactics to the actual result. Some will allow quick kickouts some won't, some will watch the handpass like a hawk, others don't care as long as it's not a blatant throw. Consistency is key the personalities, how they were as players or how they were rared to play needs to eliminated from refs. Each ref has to be the exact same. How many times has your club manager said "right lads Murphy is the ref slash away".there is the core of the issue.

2) Accountable. Anyone comes within 10 yards of a ref with a raised voice at the end there only a thug. Any ref at club level at Adult grade should be assessed a certain amount of times a year at random occasions whether there referring a Minor Junior of Senior game. I know the county refs are much more serious assessment but even at that the more cards they flash the better reviews the black suits give them. Why aren't refs interviews by the media after controversial games? Why aren't officials aloud to consult the replay on the big screen in Croke Park after 50/50 incidents?..that's why they aren't shown on screen BTW.

We need a handbook which completely eliminates favoritism, vindictiveness, personal judgement etc. I don't believe it should go in the direction of rugby as I think the rule a ref has over players is wrong. I have no issue with any player talking or debating with a referee. Rugby officiating is just way over the top.

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 19/04/2014 20:11:58    1577281

The standard of refereeing is a contradiction in terms. Rules 5.22 to 5.26 contain all the grey areas that are an issue. Basically we are looking at a non contact style game if the rules of football were to be enforced 100% honestly. Otherwise, you are using discretion of referee to 'allow the game to flow'. There is no other way of dressing this up or down. I am afraid that referees are in an unenviable situation in this circumstance. If they are letter of the law, then the game would be constantly interrupted by correct enforcement of the rules. If the referee tries to allow certain things to go, that he deems borderline, then he is playing favourites with the rules, and doomed to failure in terms of fair and impartial judgement. We will see this time and time again this summer, and as the game gets faster and faster, the instances of close calls and grey areas will become more and more grey.

So the call for a professional body of refereeing is a good idea, but will face exactly the same issues as a ref paid or not paid. I dont know what the answer is to this question really, it is going to be a painful process, that will start with the enforcement of the black card when it is merited.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 19/04/2014 20:18:37    1577289

clondalkindub
County: Dublin
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1577238
Mchugh was a black card how he gave a yellow I'll never know but the ivory incident was a free in no doubt about it, it's a ridiculous rule we got our shot off that should have been the advantage but the same happened in the first game a Roscommon player was foul he took his shot which went wide so the ref gave a free in, stupid rule but it is a rule. But there in no place in Gaa for supporters to be attacking the referee that was a disgrace and them Cavan supporters should be banned from Gaa for life.

As a neutral (who rarely agrees with you anyway!), you're wrong about your own man McHugh I feel. Moynagh definitely pulled the Dub down on top of himself. Ref rightly consulted his linesman, whether the linesman saw the pull or not I don't know. McHugh did foul Moynagh but didn't pull him down.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 19/04/2014 20:28:56    1577298

Disgraceful referreeing today. Cavan were robbed plain and simple. Dublin have been getting this type of favourable treatment for years but it seems to be happening with increasing frequency now. For a Dublin man to day to say the Cavan supporters were a disgrace at the end of the game is a bit rich when you consider the number of gurriers that follow the Dublin senior football team around, sorry around Croke Park that is.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 19/04/2014 20:32:28    1577301