From my own counties P.O.V

Dublin have adopted a very open approach so far this year. They seem to have a freedom about them under Gavin to go and express themselves, I was in the middle of a previous post on the Dublin page and I asked myself, If Dublin where to be in the middle of a game in the heat of championship and things aren't going their way, Will/Do they have a plan B, I thought that they could revert to a more defensive approach, But of course if your losing a game you will need to change it and go chase the game by attacking so changing to a more defensive approach wouldn't make sense, Maybe if we started similar to how we played under Gilroy, Our plan B would be to go change to a more attacking plan like we are seeing now, So I thought, What is our Plan B ? If the league is anything to go by Dublin will attack teams in the summer. But if we are getting no joy I don't see how we could change things.

Maybe bringing on McMenamon and giving him the ball so he can be more direct ? Maybe bring in O'Gara and lump in the high ball and hope to win the scraps, But is that a Plan B , Or is it desperation ?

I thought about Donegal, Do they have a plan B if their defensive system isn't working ? What about Kerry, The traditionalists have they got a plan B if they are being snuffed out ? What do you lot think ?

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13659 - 13/05/2013 17:30:19    1383208

All sides would of course have alternatives. They wouldn't be stupid enough to have 1 way of playing and nothing in back up to try if things are not working
No, what you mentioned in not desperation but wouldn't exactly call it plan B, just a change in tactics. No good teams have "plan A", "plan B,C,D" etc. They adapt themselves to what they see and play what's in front of them

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/05/2013 17:42:10    1383229

All sides would of course have alternatives. They wouldn't be stupid enough to have 1 way of playing and nothing in back up to try if things are not working

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I disagree.. Look at Donegal in 2011, They didn't have an alternative to the defensive approach they adopted against the Dubs, Even when they where losing in the last few minutes they didn't have a plan B to go and change the outcome of the game, They froze, Now granted in 2012 they went one better and we saw an improvement, But when push came to shove in 2011 they didn't have a plan B or an alternative, Well I don't think so anyway.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13659 - 13/05/2013 17:46:19    1383235

This is the reality is it not. Plan B will only be deployed when plan A has failed. and if plan B is a more defensive one and you are already getting a shellacking the only thing you can hope to do is mitigate the loss. If plan B is a more attacking one and your already defensive plan A is causing you problems then you are likely to get a greater shellacking. Aw hell I think I will leave this to the experts.

Manfred (Derry) - Posts: 20 - 13/05/2013 17:46:48    1383237

Donegal use a number of different systems both in defence & attack.
In attack they can leave Murphy in at full forward or bring him out towards the middle of the field. They can also employ a 1,2,or 3 man full forward line.
In defence they swarm in bursts of about 10 minutes at a time simply because it is such an energy sapping thing to do. They also rotate the "swarmers" so as not to put too much of a strain on any single player.
They also tend to select periods in the game when they will breakout of defence in numbers, again in the interests of conserving energy.
The most interesting part of it is that these decisions are made on the field, not called from the sideline.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 13/05/2013 17:51:17    1383244

Donegal use a number of different systems both in defence & attack.
In attack they can leave Murphy in at full forward or bring him out towards the middle of the field. They can also employ a 1,2,or 3 man full forward line.
In defence they swarm in bursts of about 10 minutes at a time simply because it is such an energy sapping thing to do. They also rotate the "swarmers" so as not to put too much of a strain on any single player.
They also tend to select periods in the game when they will breakout of defence in numbers, again in the interests of conserving energy.
The most interesting part of it is that these decisions are made on the field, not called from the sideline.

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I don't think that's a plan B as such, Just different ways of incorporating the same system..

Its not a complete change in plan if you get me, Like for me a plan B would be changing the whole system in order to go win a game when things are going bad, For example Dublin showed in 2011 in the All Ireland final a Plan B if you like, I re-watched it the other day and they played their defensive plan in the first half, In the second half they changed it completely and went out especially in the last 10 minutes and went gun hoe and attacked Kerry, Okay so they didn't have much to lose , But they still changed their system during the game.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13659 - 13/05/2013 18:04:01    1383259

Dublin best equipped to change tactics mid game. Whether they can or not remains to be seen. Agree with Muckross on Donegal.

DLlegends (Donegal) - Posts: 503 - 13/05/2013 18:18:22    1383273

Thank god Kerry appear to have a new game plan with Cooper on the 40, thank god, god be with the days when plan A was kick it in high to Donaghy, plan B was kick it in higher to Donaghy

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 13/05/2013 18:55:54    1383300

From what I saw during the League, Mayo certainly do not have a Plan B. As was highlighted v Tyrone, we have no idea what to do when met with a blanket defence.

killer_88_ (Mayo) - Posts: 2040 - 13/05/2013 19:01:47    1383306

Mayo have a plan B , send for The Mort or McDonald

culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 13/05/2013 19:49:40    1383340

Tomas O'Connor seems to be our Plan B. But the problem is when he's on the field the rest of the players seem to stop playing anyway intelligently and just start pointlessly bombing it in. In midfield and kickouts we seem to have very little in the way of a Plan B though and when the wheels come off there we just seem to go to pieces altogether.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 13/05/2013 19:57:40    1383350

Tomas O'Connor seems to be our Plan B. But the problem is when he's on the field the rest of the players seem to stop playing anyway intelligently and just start pointlessly bombing it in. In midfield and kickouts we seem to have very little in the way of a Plan B though and when the wheels come off there we just seem to go to pieces altogether.

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I'd probably agree with that..

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13659 - 13/05/2013 20:47:53    1383404

Have a plan B? Alot of the time i dont think Mayo have a plan A.

Mayofc (Mayo) - Posts: 95 - 13/05/2013 21:19:04    1383440

So from what I'm reading plan B is pretty much the bench for most counties. Nothing new about that.

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 14/05/2013 09:53:54    1383512

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Donegal use a number of different systems both in defence & attack.
In attack they can leave Murphy in at full forward or bring him out towards the middle of the field. They can also employ a 1,2,or 3 man full forward line.
In defence they swarm in bursts of about 10 minutes at a time simply because it is such an energy sapping thing to do. They also rotate the "swarmers" so as not to put too much of a strain on any single player.
They also tend to select periods in the game when they will breakout of defence in numbers, again in the interests of conserving energy.
The most interesting part of it is that these decisions are made on the field, not called from the sideline.

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I don't think that's a plan B as such, Just different ways of incorporating the same system..

I agree wayno, Donegal don't have a "system" as such. They have a number of "systems" which they will employ at different times during the game depending on the circumstances, no sub will ever come on because he offers something radically different to what's already there. I saw this in the league where the two new players who got loads of game time were Ryan McHugh & Wherity are carbon copies of what he already has, intelligent players who can think on their feet & adapt.
It's JMcG's way, it worked last year so he will stick with it. The big advantage it has is that it is hard to figure it out since it can change at any given moment

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 14/05/2013 10:23:56    1383536

Donegal lads... I wouldn't be telling them a thing about how Donegal approach games! By the time Jim is done with them in Enfield this week they'll have a strategy that wont bf figured out till this time next year.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1478 - 14/05/2013 15:03:16    1383805

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Donegal lads... I wouldn't be telling them a thing about how Donegal approach games! By the time Jim is done with them in Enfield this week they'll have a strategy that wont bf figured out till this time next year.

If they haven't figured that much out then God help them!! I agree about Enfield though, Donegal will have a strategy for this game & this game alone, at least that's what I'm hoping!!!

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 14/05/2013 15:23:59    1383837