http://www.hoganstand.com/general/ground/articles/032803.htm

It states on this article that Hill 16 was built in 1916?

I know it was originally named hill 60 and then the name was changed to 16 for whatever reason.

But was it built in 1916 or one of it's major stages of construction completed in 1916?

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 22/03/2013 21:06:13    1354409

It was built from the rubble of the damage caused during th Rising.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 22/03/2013 21:26:44    1354420

Culann,
Is that not an urban myth?There was a programme on tg4 about hill 16 a few months ago and if I remember it was called the hill after a place in Seth Efrica where a load of Dubs were killed during the Boer war.Was the whole 1916 connection just not made up to suit the nationalism of the time?and why let the truth ruin a good story as they say!

juniorbsub (Wexford) - Posts: 646 - 22/03/2013 21:54:38    1354436

All myths.....just to make the story 'nice and nationalistic'!!

Called Hill 60 originally as that was the designation of a hill the Royal Dublin Fusilliers fought for in WWI.....then changed name to Hill 16 after independence so as to put our own military tamp on it!

.......Just the same way as Sackville St became O'Connell St, nothing more nothing less.....the rubble thing is rubbish!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 22/03/2013 21:59:30    1354440

juniorbsub has it spot on.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 23/03/2013 09:13:23    1354459

Yep its true that Hill is named after the ruble from the 1916 rising. The same as the KOP in Anfield is named King over Pope.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 23/03/2013 11:03:25    1354491

http://www.crokepark.ie/About/History

Confirmation here of the usage of the rubble from 1916 buildings. I always understood this to be the case. I have a piece of that 1917 Hill at home given to me by my uncle when it was reconstructed in the 80s. It was completely rebuilt again as part of the redevelopment. The reference to SA is confusion with KOP a name that comes from the Battle of Spion Kop during the Boer war. I don't know of any connection between SA and the Hill other than that Spion Kop was a hill.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4749 - 23/03/2013 13:15:19    1354557

It said on that afformentioned Tg4 programme that the hill was built in 1915, a year before the 1916 Rising??

db9 (Meath) - Posts: 283 - 23/03/2013 14:27:12    1354589

I'm pretty sure when the Hill was demolished during the renovations, archeologists we're eager to get access to all the 1916 rubble under the area. Alas, when the investigated the site no rubble of any description was discovered. Its a myth and the above accounts re WW1 and independence are correct.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 23/03/2013 14:52:13    1354601

Cannot believe people on here continue to progress with the 1916 rubble myth!!.......Hill 60 was built in 1915 and Croker has the building contractors receipts to prove it!

Some facts:
'Hill 60' was built in 1915.
'Hill 60' was built as an 'embankment'.....hence it looked like a 'hill'.
'Hill 60' was named for the aforementioned reason I gave of the battle of 'hill 60' by the Royal Dublin Fusiliers in Gallipoli 1915 in WWI.....not Boer War!
'Hill 60' was renamed 'Hill 16' after Independence for purely militaristic-nationalistic reasons.

................those are the facts!!

.......note the use of the words 'rubble' or '1916 rising' are not used among the facts - because they have no part in the facts of 'Hill 16'!!!!!

.......End of Topic!

Regards,

Snufalufagus.....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 23/03/2013 16:59:05    1354669

Genuinely interested in where you did your research Snuf

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8821 - 23/03/2013 17:04:21    1354674

realdub
County: Dublin
Posts: 999

1354674 Genuinely interested in where you did your research Snuf


To be fair to him thats the common held view by historians,
now off i go to this this hill 16.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 23/03/2013 17:25:26    1354691

realdub,

No research needed!.....One just has to have an interest in something and listen to the facts on it once from a reliable source (or the horses mouth) and one never forgets!
Eg....you and others have now heard the 'facts' of Hill 16 and can spread the word.....no research needed.....Snuffys word is his bond!!!

I used to have two history threads on here back in the day....so you can see Im interested!
'Stories, myths and legends from your area'
'Snuffys history corner'
.....they were my threads back in the day!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 23/03/2013 17:54:18    1354713

Thanks Snufalufagus and db9 for answering my question. Some really insightful information on this thread. We will be the few that knows the truth while the masses babble on about the rubble from hill 16 myth!

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 23/03/2013 20:19:22    1354818

Snufalufagus
County: Dublin
Posts: 5753

1354713
realdub,


I used to have two history threads on here back in the day....so you can see Im interested!
'Stories, myths and legends from your area'
'Snuffys history corner'
.....they were my threads back in the day!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

You should bring it back Snuff.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 23/03/2013 20:22:32    1354820

snuf is correct,


Hill 60 was about in 1915 and can be seen in old photos, both the GAA and the F Fail party came together in 1964 to come up with ways of strengthening the republican image coming up to the 50th anniversary of the 1916 Rising.....

What we have here is an urban legend and historical inaccuracies which is not a fault of the dubs but as a national as a whole....... we can't rewrite history, nor should we, just because we don't like the 'historical'fact shouldn't mean we air-brush it..

Unfortunately, alot of modern Irish history has been rewritten by one agenda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1691 - 23/03/2013 20:38:01    1354839

Yep snuff is right, the whole rubble from the rising is utter bull, Jesus it was built a year previous to it. But like a lot of the American /Spaniard. (Certainly not Irish) devs view, the lie suited his agenda.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/03/2013 09:09:57    1354949

snuffles you remind of comic book guy from the simpsons :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 24/03/2013 10:22:28    1354965

Jack_Goff
Thanks Snufalufagus
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You are welcome!.....anything else just ask and I'll know it!

Regards,

Snufalufagus.....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 24/03/2013 14:44:13    1355110

KingdomBoy1
snuffles you remind of comic book guy from the simpsons :-)
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Your about the third person to ever say that on HS if Im honest!......but what can I say, if thats the result of a top class education to go along with being so intelligent in the first place and knowing 'everything about everything' then so be it!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 24/03/2013 14:50:27    1355115