We ve thrashed this one out a few times now but just after seeing a v definite example to start the debate again! Lester Ryan of kk gets a yellow for a slap of the hurl on waterford player. Didnt make any contact with ball. Yellow. No bother. Yet sexton sends off for same incident 24 hrs previous! Who d be a player with this?

old yellar (None) - Posts: 2654 - 18/03/2013 16:40:22    1351489

In same match alyward takes 10 ish steps to score goal - fouled admittedly, but fennelly penalised for less in second half.

old yellar (None) - Posts: 2654 - 18/03/2013 17:10:50    1351509

will never change cause the donkeys at the top are blind to it, they don't want to know about it,

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 18/03/2013 17:17:01    1351515

the gaa need to stop messing about with changing rules and go back to basics with refs,linesmen and umpires

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 18/03/2013 17:23:10    1351520

Indeed. As someone said, it's not the rules that is the problem; it's the refs.

Unfortunately, I can't see any hope of it being rectified because instead of asking for all the refs to play to the same interptation of the rules, MaAnaney simply instructs the hurling refs to issue more red cards. and now we have a black card! Soon there'll be more card colours than Man United have had away jersies.

I think they should get rid of the cards altogether and use common sense. No advantage. What's the advantage to a back in being fouled and not getting his free, as happened many times today? There should be a free for every foul comitted and striking should result in a man being sent off. The could also send a person off for persistent fouling (five fouls and you're gone) as they used to do.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 646 - 18/03/2013 17:25:38    1351525

I think when it comes to referees the one thing that annoys me is inconsistency. Any ref can make a mistake or two during a game and although it's not nice when you are on the end of the bad decision, you accept they are human and get on with it. However, when it comes to inconsistency then it's a different ball game. Questions are rightly asked as to how a ref can call the exact same type of incident differently throughout the course of the game. This may not be as big a problem at inter county level but in the club game you see it regularly where the only explanation in a lot of cases is a bias towards one team, especially if it's the one team who are being blown all the time. Problem though is that I you try to bring it to the fore the referees opinion is all that is listened to and nothing is done about it.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 18/03/2013 17:29:18    1351529

In the KK vs Waterford game as already pointed out yellow card dished out to KK for elbow/hand tap, not long afterwards Waterford player does the same yet zilch and then compare to matches previous 24 hours with red cards given. Infuriating, I don't mind crap refereeing as long as it is consistent - and its not. Players being called for steps when the ball arm is being blatantly held and unable to play it. The most dangerous play - yanking a face guard goes unpunished, and then referee's wonder why there is so much venom directed towards them.

If it was the same for both teams - fair enough, but its never, you get games ruined by poor refereeing.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4968 - 18/03/2013 18:06:10    1351551

It's a very tough job for referees. However Sexton made an awful call yesterday imo.

Heartbreaking sending off for the KK player and it was a decision that unfortunately had a huge influence on the result which is something no one wants to see.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13846 - 18/03/2013 18:08:05    1351554

Very strange decision in the football yesterday. Ballymun centre-half back was down injured getting (clearly injured after taking a heavy late tackle). Ref made Ballymun take the free. 10 seconds later the ball was in the Ballymun net. With their player still getting treatment!

Ten minutes later a Brigids player went down, from a tackle....nothing too hard. Ref stopped play and allowed treatment!

How would restarting the game with your centre half back clearly injured after a massive collision.....help your team?

Very strange decision. Its the inconsistency I don't get!

Ive no problem with the ref doing that.....if its a repeated trend through the game. To allow treatment for the Brigids lad and not allow it to the Ballymun lad. That's just shocking!

Before some says it.....TIME WASTING.....it wasn't time wasting. Still think timing should be taken out of the refs hands, then it doesn't matter if a lad is playacting or not!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 18/03/2013 18:24:26    1351565

Inconsistent referees are the biggest blight on the games at the minute. It's about time we looked at making referee's professional, where they can be sacked for incompetence, as it stands there's now way of holding them accountable. Alternatively we should look to the Aussie rules style situation where there are two referees in a game. There's too many high profile errors being made, and the same referee who makes a big error this week will be out refereeing again the following week. No accountability. If we don't address the situation very soon players and fans will stay away.

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 18/03/2013 18:47:50    1351575

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maybe, but we already have 7 officials on the field. There must be away of delegating greater responsibility between the other officials, get umpires to do more (make them more like linesmen), introduce some sort of zonal responsibilities between linesmen and umpires etc

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 18/03/2013 19:13:21    1351589

SSLASH..

You give out about inconsistency which I agree about but when you compare a ref who has ref'd an all ireland to a ref who hasn't you will have different results because the ref who has done the final does it his own way. no pressure on him.

Anyway, you give out about consistency...How can you look to eradicate that when you have 2 refs on the same pitch blowing for different things...It would only be worse so get that argument out of your head

MidlandBlowin (Longford) - Posts: 66 - 18/03/2013 19:20:38    1351594

Its my opinion that refs are no worse or better than when I started watching 38 years ago , but theres a huge difference Media , action replays , You-tube , sky-plus etc
When I watched a game 99% of games were not on box , therefore you left one team ( winners) thinking ref was OK , losers be- moaning the ref , but you got on with it and looked forward to next game ,
Someone proposed refs be paid ? so players still unpaid , can you imagine the increased apathy and from fans downright hatred of refs that would result when an inevitable mistake was made , knowing he was on the payroll ,
Reason refs are vilified is easy , there no ones friend , no gives a cr@p who they are , no supports them , no has there name written on back of jersey , by definition they are the perceived enemy before the game has started .
I have attended games as a neutral therefore refs performance not an issue , and watched both sets of supporters and its incredible the tunnel vision that fans have , incidents carried out by there players overlooked , and screaming obscenities and having near heart attacks when shoe on other foot .
Of course I wish for consistency , but Im old enough to know that you wont get perfection , from players coaches or fans , so lets not expect it from the ref .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 19/03/2013 09:00:26    1351769

Of course I wish for consistency , but Im old enough to know that you wont get perfection , from players coaches or fans , so lets not expect it from the ref .

The point though is damothedub that its the referees job to be consistent throughout the game. If a player is inconsistent and off his game he will be taken off, if a referee is the same there is nothing can be done about it during the game and in fact truth being told, nothing will be done after the game either. Maybe they should have a third bench on the sideline with referees on it. 5 should be enough though if a month or two down the line more are needed then it can be looked at again and increased if necessary.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 19/03/2013 09:58:23    1351789

Have to completely agree,

Today every referee particularly in hurling is different. you play one weekend with one set of rules and the other weekend with another..

The Black suits in Croke Park are arrogant, condescending and utterly clueless really, its the players game and it should be played and reffed the way the players want it to be. Ask any player club or county they don't want the rules changed, they want consistent referring. If its a tick its a tick, if its red its red not just on a Monday, Wednesday and rainy day but everyday!

This said the traditional " unwritten players rules" are being attacked to. As a hurler when I take the field I expect the first thing i'l get from my marker is a jab of the hurl in the side..fair enough part and parcel of the game, I give it back, my marker expects me to return it. end of that. It sickens me how referees and committees are going after these harmless incidents and sanctioning players. Players know how to let each other know there there and if it escalates on from a few jabs or shoulders then rightly so there should be cards given out but more often than not it doesnt!"

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 19/03/2013 10:13:47    1351800

have to say refereeing is at all time worst this year so far has seen an increase in their displays effecting matches.
they are doing nothing to stop cynical fouling ruining matches and some other errors they are making you would not see in an under 9s match.
like for example you had kildare player haul connolly to the ground last week when he was in on goal about to pull the trigger.
what resulted was a handbags situation and the ball been thrown in and bernard brogan recieving a yellow card while the kildare player who commited the cynical foul got nothing,you will never stamp it out of game like that.
we had in the dublin v mayo game the ref allowing amyo player to take a free by using a handpass!!! you also had darren daly of dublin clearly go over the sideline with ball in hand right infront of the linesman and ref and then he threw the ball back into play and actualy got a free awarded to dublin for doing this.
we had on sunday kevin leagy of ballymun clearly high tackle around the neck a st brigids player and recieve only a yellow card while at the exact same time elliot reilly another ballymun player recieved a yellow for not even making contact with a player in the tackle before leahy,how can thy recieve the same punishment?
then leahy comited another yellow card offence and the ref actualy gave the yellow card to karl connolly instead.
we had in the o byrne cup final seanie johnston pull darren daly to the ground around the neck,the ref waved play on a mellee occured in which dennis bastick and johnny doyle both threw punches yet when the ref was talking to the linesman johnny doyle walked up the pitch while the ref sent bastick off and doyle got away scot free,dublin v kerry saw donaghy hit mccauley ,mccaughley strike back yet donaghy gets yellow and mccaughley gets red for the same offence.
these are just some incident s from matches i have attended,no doubt theres been ones in games played at same time in other parts of the country

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/03/2013 10:27:35    1351806

Offside_ rule I agree with what your saying in regards to consistency , its what we want as fans but the point I was making probably not very well is , they are human will and do make mistakes , how we eradicate this is the hard part .two other sports currently have paid referees rugby and soccer ,
Rugby has television ref , yet Conor O Shea came with scathing remarks regarding referees this year slamming standards and consistency , though later had to retract some of his remarks ?
Soccer you cant go a day without refs getting it Wrong in that sport , Halsey at weekend etc
If you ask most fans will say that they believe that a ref should use common sense ,this group I fall into .
If you have ref judge marking performance in stand or committee looking at performance , they will judge according to rule book , hence common sense no longer applies and you will get yellow cards for that most would describe as handbags , and when they miss something of real importance we all are up in arms comparing both incidents
I would suggest if we we need a committee judging performance there has to be respected ex players on it , ex players need to be brought in to give valuable expertise from a players perspective , if refs found to be continuously under performing drop them from panel .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 19/03/2013 11:54:34    1351870

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1351525 Indeed. As someone said, it's not the rules that is the problem; it's the refs.

Unfortunately, I can't see any hope of it being rectified because instead of asking for all the refs to play to the same interptation of the rules, MaAnaney simply instructs the hurling refs to issue more red cards. and now we have a black card! Soon there'll be more card colours than Man United have had away jersies.

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I wonder about the cards too. It seems that when a player is sent off with a red card, the remaining 14 players work harder and defeat the team with 15. It seems like more often than not the team short a player wins.

mikeyjoe (USA) - Posts: 415 - 19/03/2013 12:10:15    1351894

What did people think of tommy walshes tackle today? V high with the hurl and no intent to tackle where the ball was. Yellow. If that was 1b he d have gotten red and jail!

old yellar (None) - Posts: 2654 - 24/03/2013 18:48:40    1355192

The whole game between Kilkenny and Clare and what was allowed go unpunished - its a long way from how 1B is reffed. The number of players who struggled to break through 2 and 3 man tackles and got no free, the chopping, the taps , etc that got a player sent of the in the club final.... one could go on and on. Tommy Walsh and his incident was just one of many. I think it was a yellow but could easily have been given a red.

Look at the how the ball was thrown in ! Funny how it has changed with a melee of players going in for a ball!

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1903 - 24/03/2013 19:42:23    1355269