National - Player drop out after Minor

Had a discussion on this recently and its something that effects every club but impacts on small and rural clubs the most i would think. Now that Minor is regraded to u17, i believe there should be an u19 CLUB ONLY competition and then u20 club and county competition.

Reason been is this, better players from minor will always move up to clubs adult teams, but that might only be 3-4 players, what happens to the rest of your minor squad, many won't move up to u20 (from next year) as its a 3 year age gap and a lot are not comfortable with that so its easier to pack it in. If there is an u19 club only competition lads are continuing to play with most of their teammates from when they were all at u12, most will have played a year above their age group growing up so its not a huge step up. Any players who have moved up to adult football from u17 wouldn't be included in the u19 teams as they have already progressed, this is for the players who drop out.

It's basically a continuation of Minor for another 2 years, to keep the players involved who haven't moved up to their clubs adult teams, help them to develop, have a proper League programme in place for them with a decent amount of matches. If this was introduced Clubs would have a lot more players at their disposal when it would come to u20 and at that stage lads are more mature, are physically strong enough to continue into Junior, Intermediate and Senior setups within their clubs.

I know there are issues with lads in college, work etc when the leave secondary school but i honestly think they would make the effort and continue to train/play if there wasn't that 3 year age gap.

1951andwaiting (Galway) - Posts:19 - 11/10/2017 10:14:29   2054576

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From the 1998 brigade we have four players
From the 1999 brigade we have 5 players
Frome the 2000 brigade 6 players playing
Player retention is very very difficult in Dublin for Small clubs , not every club is Crokes or Castleknock
The players mentioned above are the ones who have it to go straight to adult games , those that don't walk .

On another similar topic , at county level we are just about getting our ship in order re what to do with lads who are now 17 have been in the county fold development squads etc. since 13-14 , next couple of months College hurling , with a proposed gathering of the best lads out of minor under 19s getting together in July/August , Dublin player pathway are of the opinion if we let these 17 year olds walk , there's no guarantee they will be around in two three years when needed for under 21

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:4608 - 11/10/2017 11:09:46   2054595

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Above minor, the fixture setup is a complete farce, lads move on and the GAA becomes irrelevant in their lives.
Until the GAA can provide a better product for them, where they can plan a life around training, football, hurling, plan holidays etc, who could blame them for saying f this?
The parish is no longer the most important thing in young lads lives, and we need to do everything to retain them, not everything to sicken them about GAA.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts:3885 - 11/10/2017 12:39:05   2054634

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Replying To Pinkie:  "Above minor, the fixture setup is a complete farce, lads move on and the GAA becomes irrelevant in their lives.
Until the GAA can provide a better product for them, where they can plan a life around training, football, hurling, plan holidays etc, who could blame them for saying f this?
The parish is no longer the most important thing in young lads lives, and we need to do everything to retain them, not everything to sicken them about GAA."
Agree with you 100% especially at club levels with fellas hanging around all summer waiting for games.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts:408 - 11/10/2017 13:25:14   2054656

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I really like this idea but there are problems with it.

Meath have ran an under 19 football competition this season.

It only consisted of 3 group games moving on to semifinals and final, the final has been held up for months because of senior championship.

The GAA structure is a bit of a mess with players getting pulled in so many directions.

Other sports don't have the same problem as GAA. Players move between clubs and teams to find their level. People only play for 1 team at a time.

A good 19 year old will either play adult senior level football, or will play at a high level of underage football. They wouldn't be playing both.

In the GAA every team is trying to get a piece of any good player they can. It then has a detrimental effect on the season provided for your regular joes.

So you have burn out for some and then no games for the rest.

That's the problem but I don't have a good answer to it. I don't especially like the Soccer or rugby model where guys move willy nilly between clubs.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:1771 - 11/10/2017 13:28:31   2054659

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I really like this idea but there are problems with it.

Meath have ran an under 19 football competition this season.

It only consisted of 3 group games moving on to semifinals and final, the final has been held up for months because of senior championship.

The GAA structure is a bit of a mess with players getting pulled in so many directions.

Other sports don't have the same problem as GAA. Players move between clubs and teams to find their level. People only play for 1 team at a time.

A good 19 year old will either play adult senior level football, or will play at a high level of underage football. They wouldn't be playing both.

In the GAA every team is trying to get a piece of any good player they can. It then has a detrimental effect on the season provided for your regular joes.

So you have burn out for some and then no games for the rest.

That's the problem but I don't have a good answer to it. I don't especially like the Soccer or rugby model where guys move willy nilly between clubs."
Excellent points made

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:4608 - 11/10/2017 17:07:46   2054737

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I really like this idea but there are problems with it.

Meath have ran an under 19 football competition this season.

It only consisted of 3 group games moving on to semifinals and final, the final has been held up for months because of senior championship.

The GAA structure is a bit of a mess with players getting pulled in so many directions.

Other sports don't have the same problem as GAA. Players move between clubs and teams to find their level. People only play for 1 team at a time.

A good 19 year old will either play adult senior level football, or will play at a high level of underage football. They wouldn't be playing both.

In the GAA every team is trying to get a piece of any good player they can. It then has a detrimental effect on the season provided for your regular joes.

So you have burn out for some and then no games for the rest.

That's the problem but I don't have a good answer to it. I don't especially like the Soccer or rugby model where guys move willy nilly between clubs."
In Louth GAA players move between clubs willy nilly every year, especially in Dundalk and Drogheda!

DundalkGael (Louth) - Posts:723 - 13/10/2017 12:04:36   2055023

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Its a mess! with competitons overlapping, codes competing and absolute anarchy with fixtures. You have teams being knocked out of championships and some teams haven't played yet. You have huge gaps between fixtures imagine training 3/4 times a week for weeks with no idea when a match is going to be played? And of course when players leave MInor and they find themselves on bench or second team and the lure of college social life its a no brainer. GAA is incapable of reform.

arock (Dublin) - Posts:3526 - 13/10/2017 18:07:09   2055109

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