National - Should we boycott league in support of CPA?

I think most people on here are club people, involved in clubs, interested in club GAA, etc, etc.
So with that in mind, is it time we shouted enough is enough to the GAA regarding their treatment of club players?
The level of morale in most clubs, is absolutely on the floor, and the best the GAA can offer an organisation set up to try to get a better lot for the club players, with 1 very very very basic requirement - "give us a master fixtures plan" seems to be to give them 1 meeting on a Tuesday before telling them to get lost, be quiet and basically barely pay them lip service? This is simply not good enough any more.
The only time the GAA engage with clubs is when they need tickets (both games and draws), etc sold and bought. And the only time they ever listen is when when people say enough is enough.
Is it time to stop supporting these fundraising activities until they provide a better lot for the club player?
My question is, should we start this by boycotting the hurling and football leagues next year as a starting point?
(Just to note also, I am following this up with a similar proposal to Liam Griffin).
Our clubs are dying, it is time for something to be done, we must back the CPA on this.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts:3885 - 08/10/2017 12:51:00   2053848

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Replying To Pinkie:  "I think most people on here are club people, involved in clubs, interested in club GAA, etc, etc.
So with that in mind, is it time we shouted enough is enough to the GAA regarding their treatment of club players?
The level of morale in most clubs, is absolutely on the floor, and the best the GAA can offer an organisation set up to try to get a better lot for the club players, with 1 very very very basic requirement - "give us a master fixtures plan" seems to be to give them 1 meeting on a Tuesday before telling them to get lost, be quiet and basically barely pay them lip service? This is simply not good enough any more.
The only time the GAA engage with clubs is when they need tickets (both games and draws), etc sold and bought. And the only time they ever listen is when when people say enough is enough.
Is it time to stop supporting these fundraising activities until they provide a better lot for the club player?
My question is, should we start this by boycotting the hurling and football leagues next year as a starting point?
(Just to note also, I am following this up with a similar proposal to Liam Griffin).
Our clubs are dying, it is time for something to be done, we must back the CPA on this."
I and others have said before that the fixtures issue is not as simple as the GAA v the clubs as many seem to think. County boards have to take responsibility for having their own master fixtures. The recent situation in Wicklow documented here on HS and elswhere is a perfect example. The debacle was purely the Wicklow county boards fault and no one elses.
Many counties like my own bring out pre season fixture lists and there is generally never a problem except occasionally when a team for whatever reason looks for a postponment. The rescheduling of the fixture is then discussed between the two clubs involved, through the secretaries of the respective clubs involved. The club that didn't seek the postponment will generally agree to it as they know themselves that they might need such a favour further down the line.
The Master Fixtures List will certainly be benefical overall, not least because it will ensure that errant and inefficient County Boards cannot any longer blame anyone else for their own shortcomings. So in answer to your question Pinkie I won't be taking part in any boycott of the National Leagues. I doubt many will.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts:2738 - 08/10/2017 16:09:04   2053871

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It's not a bad idea. The only problem is a lot of people that go to intercounty games aren't club people. That might be truer for the cship than the league though. It would very difficult to organise though.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts:2164 - 09/10/2017 08:50:37   2053996

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Replying To tiobraid:  "It's not a bad idea. The only problem is a lot of people that go to intercounty games aren't club people. That might be truer for the cship than the league though. It would very difficult to organise though."
my initial reaction was "sometimes die-hards in clubs aren't county men,and there are people who go to county matches who could hardly name their club".
i heard some guy from the cpa on off the ball on saturday and i think there is going to be some sort of stand next year,be it club players downing tools,to action like the above.
anybody who thinks the current mess is OK is either not a club man,or doesn't understand we are into a new generation of players who have a life outside GAA.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts:2083 - 09/10/2017 10:21:41   2054016

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Yeah was reading the initial post and thinking to myself that you probably will have a lot of people who attend County matches and that is their only GAA involvement and aren't really tied to any club so it might not have the desired effect. I've found over the years that there is a direct correlation for myself between the amount I am involved in the club with how little I get to go to County games now. Though having that said I am also disillusioned with the Inter County set-up and for me the club is king when it comes to GAA and subsequently this is where I focus my time and energy. In fact I wouldn't say I'd be too upset if I woke up tomorrow morning and heard that Inter County GAA was no more.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts:3473 - 09/10/2017 11:16:38   2054046

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Alignment comes with a common purpose

Club and Country do not have a common purpose.

Club players need to take a stance. Ultimately, they are the one's with all the power. It must be collective across all clubs thought. This is where things get tricky!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts:781 - 09/10/2017 13:47:58   2054121

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Replying To Pinkie:  "I think most people on here are club people, involved in clubs, interested in club GAA, etc, etc.
So with that in mind, is it time we shouted enough is enough to the GAA regarding their treatment of club players?
The level of morale in most clubs, is absolutely on the floor, and the best the GAA can offer an organisation set up to try to get a better lot for the club players, with 1 very very very basic requirement - "give us a master fixtures plan" seems to be to give them 1 meeting on a Tuesday before telling them to get lost, be quiet and basically barely pay them lip service? This is simply not good enough any more.
The only time the GAA engage with clubs is when they need tickets (both games and draws), etc sold and bought. And the only time they ever listen is when when people say enough is enough.
Is it time to stop supporting these fundraising activities until they provide a better lot for the club player?
My question is, should we start this by boycotting the hurling and football leagues next year as a starting point?
(Just to note also, I am following this up with a similar proposal to Liam Griffin).
Our clubs are dying, it is time for something to be done, we must back the CPA on this."
It's not HQ where the major problem is. It's at county board level. How can HQ produce a master fixture list for the likes of Fermanagh and Leitrim when most people in croker haven't heard of Belcoo, Brookborough, kiltyclogher or Dromahair? County boards need to get their ducks in a row. They do that and you would see club players be a lot happier.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:4499 - 09/10/2017 15:11:55   2054147

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Replying To perfect10:  "my initial reaction was "sometimes die-hards in clubs aren't county men,and there are people who go to county matches who could hardly name their club".
i heard some guy from the cpa on off the ball on saturday and i think there is going to be some sort of stand next year,be it club players downing tools,to action like the above.
anybody who thinks the current mess is OK is either not a club man,or doesn't understand we are into a new generation of players who have a life outside GAA."
Something has to be done and until the GAA is hit in the pocket be it at county board level or intercounty level nothing will be done.
I hope you're right. The sooner the better

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts:2164 - 09/10/2017 16:42:53   2054196

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Something has to be done and until the GAA is hit in the pocket be it at county board level or intercounty level nothing will be done.
I hope you're right. The sooner the better"
The obvious solution is to separate the club game from the intercounty game. If you are a county player then you are a county player first, club second. Not a popular opinion but it would allow the average club player to get on with their playing season.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:4499 - 09/10/2017 17:00:44   2054206

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Replying To Pinkie:  "I think most people on here are club people, involved in clubs, interested in club GAA, etc, etc.
So with that in mind, is it time we shouted enough is enough to the GAA regarding their treatment of club players?
The level of morale in most clubs, is absolutely on the floor, and the best the GAA can offer an organisation set up to try to get a better lot for the club players, with 1 very very very basic requirement - "give us a master fixtures plan" seems to be to give them 1 meeting on a Tuesday before telling them to get lost, be quiet and basically barely pay them lip service? This is simply not good enough any more.
The only time the GAA engage with clubs is when they need tickets (both games and draws), etc sold and bought. And the only time they ever listen is when when people say enough is enough.
Is it time to stop supporting these fundraising activities until they provide a better lot for the club player?
My question is, should we start this by boycotting the hurling and football leagues next year as a starting point?
(Just to note also, I am following this up with a similar proposal to Liam Griffin).
Our clubs are dying, it is time for something to be done, we must back the CPA on this."
No, we shouldn't boycott the league. The league is one of the few competitions where the counties can get money from the gates to re-invest in the clubs.

If you want real change, then the only way is for the clubs around the country to come up with a working solution for both hurling and football, club and county, and get their delegates to force the counties to force the GAA's hand.

In my view, that would likely mean an abandonment of the provincial system at senior level and an inter-county structure that would be league based followed by a knockout rounds with time specifically set aside for the clubs.

As likely to happen though as aliens landing in Croke Park given GAA politics, but true change won't come until the clubs force it.

dblackandamber (Kilkenny) - Posts:87 - 09/10/2017 17:34:25   2054222

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Replying To dblackandamber:  "No, we shouldn't boycott the league. The league is one of the few competitions where the counties can get money from the gates to re-invest in the clubs.

If you want real change, then the only way is for the clubs around the country to come up with a working solution for both hurling and football, club and county, and get their delegates to force the counties to force the GAA's hand.

In my view, that would likely mean an abandonment of the provincial system at senior level and an inter-county structure that would be league based followed by a knockout rounds with time specifically set aside for the clubs.

As likely to happen though as aliens landing in Croke Park given GAA politics, but true change won't come until the clubs force it."
Correct. The clubs have to sort out the fixtures problem in their individual counties. I won't be boycotting the leagues. Boycotting the leagues serves no purpose.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts:718 - 09/10/2017 22:50:11   2054277

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No
If anything club players should lay down tools , in the short term it would cause chaos long term send a united message , there are many ways to draw attention to this scourge , get club players to march on HQ the sight of thousands of club players marching down Jones road would have them shi7ing themselves.
There is a major problem with individual county boards but they are answerable to others time to put some heat on , but boycotting the league is not the way

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:4613 - 10/10/2017 11:03:01   2054335

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No, i think clubs should play club matches regardless, just look at rugby, Pro14 still goes ahead despite the best players are on International duties, i think counties should continue to play club matches regardless and stop delaying games for county players to return to there clubs

PyatPree (Cork) - Posts:73 - 10/10/2017 13:20:16   2054391

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Replying To PyatPree:  "No, i think clubs should play club matches regardless, just look at rugby, Pro14 still goes ahead despite the best players are on International duties, i think counties should continue to play club matches regardless and stop delaying games for county players to return to there clubs"
I agree with this entirely.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:4499 - 10/10/2017 14:18:16   2054411

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "Yeah was reading the initial post and thinking to myself that you probably will have a lot of people who attend County matches and that is their only GAA involvement and aren't really tied to any club so it might not have the desired effect. I've found over the years that there is a direct correlation for myself between the amount I am involved in the club with how little I get to go to County games now. Though having that said I am also disillusioned with the Inter County set-up and for me the club is king when it comes to GAA and subsequently this is where I focus my time and energy. In fact I wouldn't say I'd be too upset if I woke up tomorrow morning and heard that Inter County GAA was no more."
Agree with this. I hardly ever go to an intercounty game as I am involved in the club heavily.

I maintain an interest in intercounty stuff mainly through this site.

Most lads I know in the club would not be bothered with a Cork game except for the very odd big game (like an All Ireland final or semi).

Not against opening proposal here but it would be hard to organize for sure.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts:3546 - 10/10/2017 20:48:09   2054519

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Replying To dblackandamber:  "No, we shouldn't boycott the league. The league is one of the few competitions where the counties can get money from the gates to re-invest in the clubs.

If you want real change, then the only way is for the clubs around the country to come up with a working solution for both hurling and football, club and county, and get their delegates to force the counties to force the GAA's hand.

In my view, that would likely mean an abandonment of the provincial system at senior level and an inter-county structure that would be league based followed by a knockout rounds with time specifically set aside for the clubs.

As likely to happen though as aliens landing in Croke Park given GAA politics, but true change won't come until the clubs force it."
But I think that's the reason why we should boycott the league. The county board are as much if not more at fault than Croke Park. If they are hit in the pocket they might actually think of the club for a change. In your own county this year ye seem to be later than ever finishing a club cship with 12-16 teams. In Tipp there's relegation matches still to be played. These lads are training since January and have only 4, 5 or 6 max meaningful matches played all year. Its a farce,

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts:2164 - 11/10/2017 08:42:03   2054569

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Replying To tiobraid:  "But I think that's the reason why we should boycott the league. The county board are as much if not more at fault than Croke Park. If they are hit in the pocket they might actually think of the club for a change. In your own county this year ye seem to be later than ever finishing a club cship with 12-16 teams. In Tipp there's relegation matches still to be played. These lads are training since January and have only 4, 5 or 6 max meaningful matches played all year. Its a farce,"
That was exactly why I said boycott the league, it hits county boards in the pocket and until that happens, the same lip service will continue to be paid.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts:3885 - 11/10/2017 12:34:49   2054630

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Replying To Pinkie:  "That was exactly why I said boycott the league, it hits county boards in the pocket and until that happens, the same lip service will continue to be paid."
Yes you're spot on. I was enforcing your point to blackandamber

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts:2164 - 11/10/2017 15:09:17   2054705

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Yes you're spot on. I was enforcing your point to blackandamber"
True lads. The idea is OK but the major problem you have is that the people that tend to go these games (many but certainly not all) often have no club affiliation. I am 100% behind anything that improves club situations and participation though.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts:3546 - 13/10/2017 21:56:37   2055156

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