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Michael Duignan on Sky coverage and the GAA

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Duignan very strong tonight on KK v Waterford having not been on free to air tv. I know this debate has been done to death but it won't go away. Totally agree re. elderly gaa supporters who aren't pub goers.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 09/07/2017 22:24:31    2013476

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He 100% on the bottom. GAA has plenty money

BartMcQueen (Cork) - Posts: 196 - 09/07/2017 22:28:55    2013481

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They could just illegally stream it like the rest of us?....

streaker (Galway) - Posts: 497 - 09/07/2017 22:31:02    2013488

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Stupid rant, old people can easily get sky the same as anyone else

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 09/07/2017 22:38:01    2013496

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He was spot on , plenty of money in the GAA. He's an homest guy who's never afraid to speak his mind , fair play to him.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 09/07/2017 22:38:05    2013497

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Replying To Laois76:  "Duignan very strong tonight on KK v Waterford having not been on free to air tv. I know this debate has been done to death but it won't go away. Totally agree re. elderly gaa supporters who aren't pub goers."
I have lots of respect for Michael Duignan as I think he's one of the best analysts around. We'd all love to have plenty of money to do everything we want in the GAA but having plenty of money, as the GAA do, should be a cause to celebrate and not to use against a prudent management committee. Perhaps there is a solution though, free access for pensioners. There'd be a few admin and technical issues to be resolved but nothing impossible. It could be a condition of any renewal contracts.
It should also be noted that pre the Sky deal most qualifiers and other games were nit available at all so his father wouldn't have been able to watch it anyway!

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 09/07/2017 22:57:03    2013515

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Replying To streaker:  "They could just illegally stream it like the rest of us?...."
My mother is 83 and father 91, they wouldn't be too well versed in illegal streaming.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 09/07/2017 23:03:05    2013518

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We all know the gaa has very deep pockets.sure the dog on the street knows that. why doesnt he pay for the 6month deal on sky sports for his folks..get with the times pal .sure he said his folks had to watch it in the pub sure what they probably spent in the boozer would have got them a couple of months sky sports..its the way of the world these days' everybody pays one way or the other for entertainment be it sporting or any other kind. a lot of people would have liking to watch the lions also.but they aint complaining that it wasnt free to air.

GGdub (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 09/07/2017 23:07:36    2013524

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Replying To Laois76:  "My mother is 83 and father 91, they wouldn't be too well versed in illegal streaming."
Errrr... Kinda what I was getting at?

streaker (Galway) - Posts: 497 - 09/07/2017 23:09:17    2013526

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Replying To streaker:  "Errrr... Kinda what I was getting at?"
Ha! Sometimes sarcasm doesn't travel well on the internet!

KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 09/07/2017 23:28:46    2013544

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That's the point though. There's a big difference between the Lions and our amateur National Games.

In 1995 Louth v Dublin was the first non semi final gaa game broadcast live whereby a number of gaa games were broadcast other than all ireland semi finals. We had once off like Waterford v Tipp in the 100th Munster hurling final in 1989 and the first round of the Munster hurling championship, Tipp v Cork in 1992.

Gaelic games always professed to be the game of the people. The ethos was built on the club, the grass root and voluntary input. Pre 1995 broadcasting matches before all-ireland semi final stage didn't take place. However throughout from about 2000 up until 2014 a game like Kilkenny and Waterford would have more than likely been broadcast by RTE. The GAA broke with it's roots and ethos when it made the Sky deal.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 09/07/2017 23:40:34    2013549

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Now before I post my opinion I must state that I don't have sky as I can barely afford the tv licence!!!!
I would love to have seen the game last night and seen Waterford create their own history instead of following it on the match tracker provided by hoganstand, but this is the same RTÉ that don't show one second of the league live and pay it little respect in their highlights program over the spring months. The pundits are more concerned with promoting their own agenda that dicussining games, tactics and phases of play being shown. Like it or not the GAA has bills to pay and a duty to gain as much exposure as possible in the modern world as possible and if a deal with sky means that, so be it. RTÉ and its pundits have some nerve to be complaining about other broadcasters when they themselves show little to no regard to coverage outside the summer months. TG4 do an excellent job on a fraction of the budget showing club and county games. I wish RTÉ were as appalled by the irfu selling rights as the GAA.

Bain (Donegal) - Posts: 470 - 09/07/2017 23:43:45    2013554

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Replying To Sindar:  "I have lots of respect for Michael Duignan as I think he's one of the best analysts around. We'd all love to have plenty of money to do everything we want in the GAA but having plenty of money, as the GAA do, should be a cause to celebrate and not to use against a prudent management committee. Perhaps there is a solution though, free access for pensioners. There'd be a few admin and technical issues to be resolved but nothing impossible. It could be a condition of any renewal contracts.
It should also be noted that pre the Sky deal most qualifiers and other games were nit available at all so his father wouldn't have been able to watch it anyway!"
true, before SKY deal not all qualifier games were available on free to air/RTE BUT the big games were always televised...Kilkenny and Waterford was the pick of the games yesterday and we had to look at Mayo for the 2nd Sat eve in a row huffing and puffing to beat a team talked up by the GAA pundits doing the draw (no disrespect to Derry or Clare team or supporters)...now its kind of trendy to have the big headline games at 7pm on a Sat eve on SKY..I have SKY but its costly I can understand fully why some people wouldnt get it into their homes...SKY had Kilkenny and LImerick too last Sat eve which had the potential to be a great game...Cork/Wexford last year on SKY..I cant remember them all but SKY do get the big Sat eve games...Meath/Kildare a few weeks ago...I could go on and on..I dont agree with Michael Duignan on everything but I do on this one...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 09/07/2017 23:44:12    2013555

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It's a very popular opinion to suggest that everything should be free but just to provide a bit of balance here are a couple of important points.

1. The money that the GAA receive from Sky is supposed to be reinvested back into the game. Now you can argue at whether that is being done and I hope it is, but it's an important point here .
2. The games that Sky show are additional to games that were shown in years previous. There are still the same number of free to air games shown that there has always been. 15 years ago you'd not have seen any of the qualifiers games. The coverage of games these days is higher than ever.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 09/07/2017 23:52:39    2013565

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Ive been saying it since the deal was signed and i'm glad someone with a profile has finally spoken out against it. There are zero benefits to this deal. No extra money, TV3 offered the same, smaller viewing audiences. Whats the benefits? Sky got more subscriptions? Only people I can see benefiting from it.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 09/07/2017 23:52:59    2013566

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I have sky and prefer when a game I want to watch is on sky because the pundits are much better however it's our national sport and should be free to view. Don't like to think of die hards who for one reason or another can't make it to the game can't watch it at home.

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 09/07/2017 23:59:37    2013571

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Replying To galwayfball:  "I have sky and prefer when a game I want to watch is on sky because the pundits are much better however it's our national sport and should be free to view. Don't like to think of die hards who for one reason or another can't make it to the game can't watch it at home."
Sick of this myth of Sky pundits being better. It's all so sanitised and boring for both codes. Bit of flash technology doesn't enhance punditry to any great extent. Great article by Eamonn Sweeney today on Hold the Back Page in the SIndo about the merits of the Sunday Game as opposed to the alien feel of Sky.

And Brolly had a point about Sky throwing in a bit of eye candy as a presenter too. All very modern and shallow.

KK1926 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 10/07/2017 00:08:23    2013581

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Replying To KK1926:  "Sick of this myth of Sky pundits being better. It's all so sanitised and boring for both codes. Bit of flash technology doesn't enhance punditry to any great extent. Great article by Eamonn Sweeney today on Hold the Back Page in the SIndo about the merits of the Sunday Game as opposed to the alien feel of Sky.

And Brolly had a point about Sky throwing in a bit of eye candy as a presenter too. All very modern and shallow."
Ah look you have your opinion and I have mine it has nothing to do with the technology but I can't stand brolly and spillane rants and dessie Dolan is unbelievably boring . I do quite like o shea and whelan when it's not a Dublin game he's commenting on.

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 10/07/2017 00:22:07    2013588

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Replying To BartMcQueen:  "He 100% on the bottom. GAA has plenty money"
Ooohh matron!

streaker (Galway) - Posts: 497 - 10/07/2017 00:42:41    2013600

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Very few people would disagree with Duignan's main point about free to air coverage, but there are two weaknesses to his argument:
1) he is a paid employee of RTE, so his position is compromised by this
2) lots of other good games were not covered live at the weekend. Personally, for example, I'd love to have seen the Cavan/Tipp game live on TV. It is not possible to broadcast every game live, so the rant against SKY slightly misses the point.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 10/07/2017 08:12:50    2013632

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