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Should Country Boards be more accountable?

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Hi all

In wake of the recent debacle in my home county [ http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272691 ] which can be described as nothing short of a disgrace on the part of the country board in Offaly. What is everyone's opinion of hierarchy in the GAA. Scapegoating managers and players is nothing new, but for once, a manager has come out with a selfless aim of pulling the shrouds off the backroom corruption.

In my short opinion, I feel that country boards should be treated no different than Company directors (legally obliged to act as fiduciaries to the companies shareholder) in this case the GAA members (more specifically, the players). What are the country board there for aside from Improving sport in the county? obviously, Offaly don't understand that basic premise.

Discuss...

I am eager to hear the opinion of the wider GAA community.

faithful4ever (Offaly) - Posts: 209 - 07/07/2017 10:47:35    2011863

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Replying To faithful4ever:  "Hi all

In wake of the recent debacle in my home county [ http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272691
which can be described as nothing short of a disgrace on the part of the country board in Offaly. What is everyone's opinion of hierarchy in the GAA. Scapegoating managers and players is nothing new, but for once, a manager has come out with a selfless aim of pulling the shrouds off the backroom corruption.

In my short opinion, I feel that country boards should be treated no different than Company directors (legally obliged to act as fiduciaries to the companies shareholder) in this case the GAA members (more specifically, the players). What are the country board there for aside from Improving sport in the county? obviously, Offaly don't understand that basic premise.

Discuss...

I am eager to hear the opinion of the wider GAA community."]You cant have nothing but sympathy for Flanagan beyond disgrace that a man after giving service his wife finds out about him losing his position on social media, unfortunately as a nation we have subsided into a shrug of the shoulders only to be followed with the all too often saying "Yeah but what can you do ? " and there in is the problem no one feels either the inclination to push change nor is the will there , as long as that's the way it is county boards will never change.

How do I feel about my own country board
At County level the best in the business , spotted a product marketed it the right way and fight tooth and nail for to be the best and provide the best.
At club level not the same effort as above , as long as we are winning all Irelands the club player is an irrelevance.
Dublin huge match in Hurling, club hurling matches organised for the same time say no more

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 07/07/2017 11:04:58    2011878

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Replying To faithful4ever:  "Hi all

In wake of the recent debacle in my home county [ http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=272691
which can be described as nothing short of a disgrace on the part of the country board in Offaly. What is everyone's opinion of hierarchy in the GAA. Scapegoating managers and players is nothing new, but for once, a manager has come out with a selfless aim of pulling the shrouds off the backroom corruption.

In my short opinion, I feel that country boards should be treated no different than Company directors (legally obliged to act as fiduciaries to the companies shareholder) in this case the GAA members (more specifically, the players). What are the country board there for aside from Improving sport in the county? obviously, Offaly don't understand that basic premise.

Discuss...

I am eager to hear the opinion of the wider GAA community."]The county board should be a reflection of the GAA community within that county and act on behalf of that county. Their actions should be for the greater good of the county and personal considerations should be very much secondary. This is the ideal. I'm sure its far from the reality for an awful lot of counties.

In theory, the county managers should be integral to the forward thinking of the county board. They should be involved in strategic planning and should be advised of budgetary considerations. What Flanagan asked for re GPS and video analysis etc. doesn't seem unreasonable at all. It'd be refreshing if the county board could actually say, "we have x amount in the budget for youth development, y amount for capital projects and z amount for the senior teams. The cost of GPS is a, the cost of video analysis is b and a team doctor is c etc. If the budget is there, then you (county manager) can have these. If not, you cut your cloth to measure". Not every county board is made of money but a bit of transparency wouldn't hurt at all.

The way Flanagan found out he'd been let go was nothing short of cowardly on behalf of the county board. How much guts would it take to state their reasoning to his face and let him have his say?

Obviously we've only heard Flanagan's perspective on things. If half of it is true, how do Offaly have any chance of getting a quality replacement?

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 07/07/2017 11:12:03    2011882

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they have no chance of getting anybody near the quality of pat flanagan unless they accede to the basic requirements of whats needed in the modern day to manage a county team with any degree of success. and if they do accede to the new man the question needs to be asked as to why pat didnt get it? its fairly obvious the offaly county board is in bad need of a majorclear out.

kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 07/07/2017 11:57:19    2011901

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I seen Offaly play a few times under Flanagan and they looked fit and I could see huge progress from when the last manager was in charge. Missed out on promotion to division 2 on score difference last year and put it up to Kildare in championship. The county board must be a disgrace , if they can't give a team what really are basic needs to say the least these days.

ke40 (Kildare) - Posts: 209 - 07/07/2017 13:16:48    2011957

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i see the hurling"development " committee have resigned enmasse,,, good offaly people like liam hogan and brian carroll. theres one common denominator in all this the county board. time for them to walk!!

kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 07/07/2017 15:39:29    2012035

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Without players you have nothing

If a County Board is this bad (Offaly) then surely the players need to make the decision not to be associated.

... for the good of the County going forward.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 07/07/2017 16:24:17    2012054

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I remember when a few Dublin players were dropped off the panel in the late 90s , they still went to the gym the odd time and used to writet ttheir name and Dublin player beside it . Then the Dublin manager spotted this and went to the county board and put a stop to it , the county board should have said let them train they have giving great services to Dublin , but no the management and county board got glee from banning them from that gym

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 07/07/2017 17:56:11    2012084

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It's interesting that current Laois manager Eamon Kelly couldn't wait to get out of Offaly after just one season there.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 08/07/2017 02:43:57    2012239

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Disgraceful way for Pat Flanagan to be informed that he was being sacked as Offaly Manager in addition to the lack of support both financial and otherwise that he had to endure during his tenure. I fell sorry for him and the lack of respect shown to him by Offaly County Board. He came across as a thouroughly decent man, passionate about his county.

That is the question: how do you make the Co Board accountable? Do you have a committee to oversee them who in all probability would have the same mindset as the Board itself.
Probably the best way to go about it would be to have a palace coup. Get someone or a group to outline their vision and general plans for the future of Offaly football to all clubs and look for their support from delegates on that basis at the next County convention.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2989 - 08/07/2017 17:08:54    2012387

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Disgraceful way for Pat Flanagan to be informed that he was being sacked as Offaly Manager in addition to the lack of support both financial and otherwise that he had to endure during his tenure. I fell sorry for him and the lack of respect shown to him by Offaly County Board. He came across as a thouroughly decent man, passionate about his county.

That is the question: how do you make the Co Board accountable? Do you have a committee to oversee them who in all probability would have the same mindset as the Board itself.
Probably the best way to go about it would be to have a palace coup. Get someone or a group to outline their vision and general plans for the future of Offaly football to all clubs and look for their support from delegates on that basis at the next County convention.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2989 - 08/07/2017 17:27:35    2012394

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Replying To ke40:  "I seen Offaly play a few times under Flanagan and they looked fit and I could see huge progress from when the last manager was in charge. Missed out on promotion to division 2 on score difference last year and put it up to Kildare in championship. The county board must be a disgrace , if they can't give a team what really are basic needs to say the least these days."
Took Eugene McGee 6 years to mold Offaly into an all Ireland winning team to compete with one of the best teams of all time and win I know the times have changed but if Flanagan was doing something positive then he deserved the benefit of another year

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 09/07/2017 17:30:56    2013169

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