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Westmeath v Armagh

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This will be the first meeting between these two counties in the football championship and it looks a tough one to call on Saturday.

We'll use this thread to discuss the match at TEG Cusack Park.

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 04/07/2017 14:26:05    2010448

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I think Armagh should win this but they've had a very mixed season and can be terrible. Westmeath's home advantage could have a major impact!

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 04/07/2017 17:02:32    2010559

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Westmeath for me, terrible v dubs, but effectively packed bags up with 20 minutes to go
Mullingar to be the difference by 2

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 04/07/2017 17:14:20    2010569

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I read where Jamie Clarke got a BLACK card after only 15 seconds for pulling back an opponent. This must be a record for the fastest black card ever. were you at the match ?, was it deserved ? . seems very harsh to be carded after 15 seconds.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 08/07/2017 22:43:04    2012624

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Replying To s goldrick:  "I read where Jamie Clarke got a BLACK card after only 15 seconds for pulling back an opponent. This must be a record for the fastest black card ever. were you at the match ?, was it deserved ? . seems very harsh to be carded after 15 seconds."
Referee was correct as he was with all the cards. Very tense dificult game with passion on and off the field but no quality.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1445 - 08/07/2017 23:49:34    2012680

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Westmeath for me, terrible v dubs, but effectively packed bags up with 20 minutes to go
Mullingar to be the difference by 2"
If the All Blacks were from Ulster and they were playing a Blasket Islands XV you would still tip the Blasket Island team. You fool no one, you don't like Ulster sides and have never had a good word to say about them. You wouldn't tip the Ulster entrant to win in a one horse race.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9697 - 09/07/2017 02:01:59    2012733

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Good win for armagh. I thought they would win here as there was very little between us in newry...

downtothecore (Down) - Posts: 349 - 09/07/2017 07:55:17    2012764

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Replying To s goldrick:  "I read where Jamie Clarke got a BLACK card after only 15 seconds for pulling back an opponent. This must be a record for the fastest black card ever. were you at the match ?, was it deserved ? . seems very harsh to be carded after 15 seconds."
Is there a different rule book for the first minute of play?

Torcaill (Australia) - Posts: 204 - 09/07/2017 09:03:01    2012787

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Replying To s goldrick:  "I read where Jamie Clarke got a BLACK card after only 15 seconds for pulling back an opponent. This must be a record for the fastest black card ever. were you at the match ?, was it deserved ? . seems very harsh to be carded after 15 seconds."
Didn't Feeney for Castlebar get a quick one in the club final a few years back?

m_the_d (None) - Posts: 1099 - 09/07/2017 09:23:55    2012795

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Replying To s goldrick:  "I read where Jamie Clarke got a BLACK card after only 15 seconds for pulling back an opponent. This must be a record for the fastest black card ever. were you at the match ?, was it deserved ? . seems very harsh to be carded after 15 seconds."
How long do you need to wait before you can issue a black card ?
What has time got to do with it?

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 09/07/2017 09:45:27    2012802

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Replying To catch22:  "How long do you need to wait before you can issue a black card ?
What has time got to do with it?"
It wasn't a black - simple. Let's hope Sunday game shows it. Anyone who thinks that's a black must have a good look at themselves. You'd see that a dozen times in a match. The black card is very well defined but the refs are all applying the application of it differently.

The Morgan incident I didn't see clearly enough. Both men were running and then both ended up on the ground. I can't honestly say if Morgan took him out or just a simple collision. Hopefully these will be shown on Telly tonight. For me, black card is not required as the refs don't know which incident is and which isn't.

The ref refused to let the game have any flow and WM lay down at every opportunity. Gaelic Football used to be a manly game. It's a nancies game now. Just look at the muster hurling final. We need hurling refs to take control of the football games and we might see a real game.

DooReg (Armagh) - Posts: 33 - 09/07/2017 18:00:14    2013194

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Clarke, definite black.

m_the_d (None) - Posts: 1099 - 09/07/2017 22:55:22    2013513

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Replying To DooReg:  "It wasn't a black - simple. Let's hope Sunday game shows it. Anyone who thinks that's a black must have a good look at themselves. You'd see that a dozen times in a match. The black card is very well defined but the refs are all applying the application of it differently.

The Morgan incident I didn't see clearly enough. Both men were running and then both ended up on the ground. I can't honestly say if Morgan took him out or just a simple collision. Hopefully these will be shown on Telly tonight. For me, black card is not required as the refs don't know which incident is and which isn't.

The ref refused to let the game have any flow and WM lay down at every opportunity. Gaelic Football used to be a manly game. It's a nancies game now. Just look at the muster hurling final. We need hurling refs to take control of the football games and we might see a real game."
It was a clear as day a black card. There can be no complaints on that!

ondeball (Westmeath) - Posts: 119 - 10/07/2017 11:49:41    2013869

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Replying To ondeball:  "It was a clear as day a black card. There can be no complaints on that!"
If that's a black card were going to end end up with 5-a-sides after 70 minutes.

sean og (Armagh) - Posts: 1053 - 10/07/2017 13:35:16    2014017

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The Clarke black card was spot on as shown by the replay last night. It was a cynical body check and completely stupid from Clarke especially so early in the game.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 10/07/2017 14:11:51    2014074

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Replying To panamasam:  "The Clarke black card was spot on as shown by the replay last night. It was a cynical body check and completely stupid from Clarke especially so early in the game."
It was not a body check - it was a shoulder off the ball. Go and look at it objectively. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFha7EUQH3M

It's not as if the corner back was trying to give and hit the space and was then taken out of it by a deliberate body check. In fact, look at it again, the number 4 from Westmeath knew the hit was coming and just wasn't strong enough to take it and hit the deck. The hit was on the shoulder - not a body check. That in no way is a black card under the guidelines that were issued by the GAA. The problem with the black card now is that there are so many interpretations of what is and what is not that not even the refs are clear about it.

If that's a standard black card, Gaelic Football is in big trouble as an another poster said it will be a 5 aside game after 20 mins.

DooReg (Armagh) - Posts: 33 - 10/07/2017 16:00:08    2014212

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Give me an example of when it is OK to hit a lad a shoulder with no ball in sight?

m_the_d (None) - Posts: 1099 - 10/07/2017 17:14:35    2014302

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Replying To m_the_d:  "Give me an example of when it is OK to hit a lad a shoulder with no ball in sight?"
Happens quite a lot in many matches i've seen this year at home and on telly. I am not saying it isn't a foul - it is. But it aint a black card under the GAA's rules for a black card - that's all i'm saying.

DooReg (Armagh) - Posts: 33 - 10/07/2017 17:41:02    2014322

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A black card all day. The ball was long gone and Jamie Clarke turned away from play to execute a fine OFF THE BALL shoulder which is as good an example of deliberate obstruction as you'll find.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 10/07/2017 17:44:56    2014324

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If it moves hit it, if it doesn't move hit it until it does.

Dessie_Cross (Armagh) - Posts: 142 - 10/07/2017 17:59:41    2014338

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