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Kerry v Cork - subs used-clarification on rules

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In yesterday's game, Ruairi Deane got an injury and was temporarily replaced by Alan O'Connor. When Ruairi Deane could not come back on, this became a permanent replacement. It was one of Cork's six permitted subs.

When Fionn Fitzgerald was stretchered off after 50 minutes, he was replaced by Killian Young. This was announced as a blood sub though it was obvious that Fitzgerald was not coming back on. Kerry made 6 other subs during the game.

Toward the end of the game Sean Powter got injured and Cork finished with 14 players. Apparently we were not allowed to bring on another player.

None of the above obviously had an impact on the outcome. Just looking for clarification why Killian Young was allowed to play until the end of the game as blood sub and Cork could not replace Sean Powter?

To clarify, none of this had any impact on the results. Had we 20 heartless, leaderless players on the field we would still have lost.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 03/07/2017 17:34:40    2009840

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Replying To bennybunny:  "In yesterday's game, Ruairi Deane got an injury and was temporarily replaced by Alan O'Connor. When Ruairi Deane could not come back on, this became a permanent replacement. It was one of Cork's six permitted subs.

When Fionn Fitzgerald was stretchered off after 50 minutes, he was replaced by Killian Young. This was announced as a blood sub though it was obvious that Fitzgerald was not coming back on. Kerry made 6 other subs during the game.

Toward the end of the game Sean Powter got injured and Cork finished with 14 players. Apparently we were not allowed to bring on another player.

None of the above obviously had an impact on the outcome. Just looking for clarification why Killian Young was allowed to play until the end of the game as blood sub and Cork could not replace Sean Powter?

To clarify, none of this had any impact on the results. Had we 20 heartless, leaderless players on the field we would still have lost."
The rule is as follows:

A player who is bleeding or who has blood on any part of his body, playing attire or playing equipment, as a result of an injury sustained during play, shall on the instruction of the Referee, immediately leave the field of play to receive medical attention. In this instance a Temporary Substitute may be used.

Temporary substitute
A player leaving the field under the Blood Injuries rule may be replaced by a Temporary Substitute. The following shall not count as substitutions in accordance with rule:
• The use of a Temporary Substitute for a player instructed to leave the field as a result of bleeding.
• The return of the injured player as a direct replacement for the Temporary Sub.
• The return of the injured player as a replacement for any other player if the Temporary Sub has previously been sent off or substituted.

The rules do not refer to any length of time after which a temporary sub becomes permanent.

I'd suggest this is an oversight to what is a good rule. If the medical staff can't stop the bleeding within a set amount of time, then it would suggest that the player in question isn't really fit to retake his place.

Management now have six subs to use. This should be adequate for all contingencies.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 04/07/2017 11:44:33    2010292

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Replying To bennybunny:  "In yesterday's game, Ruairi Deane got an injury and was temporarily replaced by Alan O'Connor. When Ruairi Deane could not come back on, this became a permanent replacement. It was one of Cork's six permitted subs.

When Fionn Fitzgerald was stretchered off after 50 minutes, he was replaced by Killian Young. This was announced as a blood sub though it was obvious that Fitzgerald was not coming back on. Kerry made 6 other subs during the game.

Toward the end of the game Sean Powter got injured and Cork finished with 14 players. Apparently we were not allowed to bring on another player.

None of the above obviously had an impact on the outcome. Just looking for clarification why Killian Young was allowed to play until the end of the game as blood sub and Cork could not replace Sean Powter?

To clarify, none of this had any impact on the results. Had we 20 heartless, leaderless players on the field we would still have lost."
There is no set time for a blood sub benny, and Ruairi Deane came back on at the start of the second half and was replaced 10 mins later by Alan O'Connor as a full sub.

We ended up with 14 players our selves at the end as mark griffin ended up on the sideline with an knee injury .

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/07/2017 12:15:23    2010323

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Yeah as I mentioned on the Sligo/Antrim post a couple of weeks back it is a serious oversight in the Rule that needs to be addressed. It is concerning that those who are so great at coming up with new rules all over the place can't see the glaring loophole in this rule. What is more concerning though is that it was highlighted in the media a couple of years back as a loophole and still nothing was done about it. Its simple really - follow the way Rugby does it and allow 15 minutes for someone going off as a blood sub to be cleaned up and ready to be on the pitch again - if not they are then replaced as a Permanent sub. The fact that someone can be off the pitch for e.g. 32 minutes of game time and is still deemed a blood sub is ridiculous.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 04/07/2017 12:25:09    2010330

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