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Why not have a Senior, Intermediate and Junior grade for football like in Ladies football and camogie? Not much point having Dublin (Senior) hammering Junior teams like Westmesth year in year out. Give every county 5 years to get their house in order and seed teams based on their league positions. Play the finals over the same weekend as the All Ireland? Not much point to the so called super 8 making the Senior teams stronger. Just a thought? AnnieXcuse (Longford) - Posts: 7 - 01/07/2017 14:43:57 2008349 Link 0 |
There's been a hundred of these threads already. I've been responsible for too much of it myself and it's been discussed to death! Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 01/07/2017 15:15:35 2008357 Link 0 |
So, it's a dead duck? Teams going through qualifiers that have no chance of wining anything. What's the point!
AnnieXcuse (Longford) - Posts: 7 - 01/07/2017 15:38:18 2008367 Link 0 |
Another structures thread. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 01/07/2017 15:43:06 2008369 Link 0 |
Because it make too much sense to do things in the correct way for once. No disrespect to the weaker counties but its hard to get anyway excited until August at the earliest with only one or two important games in 9 months of football is not enough. Your idea seems like the best way forward. KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 01/07/2017 15:44:57 2008370 Link 0 |
Never understood why players don't want this, maybe they just don't want to admit they aren't good enough? Take my own county for example, our "goal" for a few years now has been to reach an AI semi, I'd take a win in September even if it was just for a "B" AI, what's the point of an amateur competition where there is only a single winner every year and usually only 4 teams with any chance? Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 01/07/2017 16:15:56 2008383 Link 0 |
What's the point in Ireland playing international football, we're never going to win the World Cup. Why did Tipperary play last years Munster championship, they didn't win it. They then shouldn't have entered the qualifiers either sure they didn't even make it to the AI final. Why do we do anything, sure we'll all be dead someday. Only 1 team wins the All Ireland. That's not what playing a sport is all about. I agree with structures needing changed, read any of my 100 different posts on this site, covering probably about 20 different potential formats. I hate this what's the point attitude. County squads have 30 players training half the year for these matches and tens of thousands of people go to watch these games. So there is some point. This topic has been done to death on here. Your proposal has been covered by others. There are pros and there are huge cons to it, like practically all the other systems that are on here. For me the biggest problem is that the league is a preseason competition. Play it alongside championship and you sort out a tonne of problems. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 01/07/2017 16:20:53 2008387 Link 0 |
Senior: 12 teams OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 01/07/2017 17:34:31 2008411 Link 0 |
It's called the ALL Ireland because ALL the counties in Ireland, that want one, have a chance to compete for it. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 01/07/2017 18:03:55 2008424 Link 0 |
Every structure possible has been discussed and floated around. Enjoy the inter-county and club games! There's still plenty of football to be played within counties after the inter-county teams are out. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7823 - 01/07/2017 22:16:47 2008617 Link 0 |
Sick to death sounds like :) ....me too actually......probably driven by lack of proper reform at official level / GAA HQ.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 01/07/2017 23:23:16 2008656 Link 0 |
Can you bear one more..... omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 02/07/2017 00:54:25 2008710 Link 0 |
Yes highly unlikely Ireland will win the world cup but in soccer underdogs always have a better chance at succeeding compared to gaa. Take Greece winning the euros in 2004 i think or Leicester in the premiership a few years ago. These teams have proven it can be done but in all fairness the likes of Wicklow in football or Kerry in hurling will never in the foreseeable future have even a slight chance to win an All Ireland at Senior level. KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 02/07/2017 09:56:07 2008780 Link 0 |
had something similar in mind but by keeping provincial structure in place Connacht 5 teams Ulster plus London 10 teams - split into 2 groups of 5 Lenister 11 teams - split into groups of 6 and 5 Munster 6 teams winner of each group in Lenister and Ulster play in provincial final, in others winners are champs, or top two can play a final. Championship then split into 2 , 16 Senior , 16 for intermediate Top two in each provincial league go into senior, bottom 2 into intermediate. Remaining teams play off to decide remaining teams in each. 4 groups of 4 in each, top 2 into quarters. Play intermediate final the night before the Senior final in Croke Park, also have some major incentive for winning the intermediate, (eg)guaranteed place in senior next year, Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 2099 - 06/07/2017 16:30:36 2011573 Link 0 |
This would encourage teams to tank to play at a lower level.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 07/07/2017 17:03:13 2012067 Link 0 |
I only ever see you post the most convoluted structures imaginable, make no sense and don't fix any of the problems
iwantwhiteboots (Donegal) - Posts: 4 - 07/07/2017 18:40:32 2012097 Link 1 |
the only change completely necessary is balancing the provincials, cavan/fermanagh and Longford/westmeath/offaly alternate into connacht iwantwhiteboots (Donegal) - Posts: 4 - 07/07/2017 21:35:40 2012161 Link 1 |
Well....in a given year, I think teams would want to advance as much as possible....a team would need to deliberately tank and sacrafice say two consecutive years to move down from Div 2 to 4. If a team goes down to Div 4 then what - they walk it but are then left with no choice but go up the next year - would they sacrafice another tanking year for the pleasure of walking another Div 4 ? - I don't think so. Of the more competitive teams, 4 of the top 5 in each region account for 8 of the 12 KO teams (the other 4 are Div 3 and 4 group winners). The KO pairings seed the stronger teams - the QFs should be between the following year's Div 1 contingent only (unless upsets). The beauty is all play 10 matches at their own grade. In decades past, the NFL's 4 divisions of 8 produced 8 QFinalists playing for one NFL title (top 4, 2, 1, 1 qualifying from respective divisions). I do something similar with skew more in favour of top ranked teams (all Div 1 non relegated play for seeding and going thru - 6, 2, 2, 2). Also, in my seeding, I target Div 1 v 3 and Divs 2 v 4 in AI QFs to avoid the greatest blowouts (Divs 1 v 4). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 07/07/2017 23:20:08 2012208 Link 0 |
.....that should read.....Divs 1 v 3 and Divs 2 v 4 pairings in 1st KO Rd leading to AI QFs. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 07/07/2017 23:26:52 2012210 Link 0 |
Wham.....the 3 div structure you had sometime ago - what was it again - quantities of 14, 10, 8, I think - with higher divs playing additional group games as lower divs start playoffs earlier - why would tanking not apply here given your thought process - more teams making the KO throughout ? - but I think you had only half of the top Div qualifying - fueling greater tanking ? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 07/07/2017 23:38:20 2012218 Link 0 |