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Over the years the GAA has become a game for the big teams in either code . Your player does something wrong and is punished if your with a top tier county team they get their legal teams into it and a technicality is found and off you go regardless of the incident. you can have a decision made on the day by a ref that is correct have video evidence to prove it's correct but get it overturned because of someone put a coma in the wrong place . we are only a couple of weeks in and this is already a massive issue with Comerford/McGeaney/Connolly . The GAA is all about the money these days , and maybe my memory is poor but 10 20 years ago if you were caught you were caught. ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 07/06/2017 14:09:39 1996461 Link
I've never seen Morales in the GAA either. Do they play in Bolivia? Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 07/06/2017 14:23:00 1996473 Link
Replying To ulsterrules: "Over the years the GAA has become a game for the big teams in either code . Your player does something wrong and is punished if your with a top tier county team they get their legal teams into it and a technicality is found and off you go regardless of the incident. you can have a decision made on the day by a ref that is correct have video evidence to prove it's correct but get it overturned because of someone put a coma in the wrong place . we are only a couple of weeks in and this is already a massive issue with Comerford/McGeaney/Connolly . The GAA is all about the money these days , and maybe my memory is poor but 10 20 years ago if you were caught you were caught." There certainly wasn't the hunger to find loopholes and slide out from under things that there is now. Doing the crime and doing the time is becoming a thing of the past depending how much you can afford to spend. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 07/06/2017 14:34:35 1996487 Link
In the past there weren't as many camera's but to suggest the game and players were morally better in the past in laughable. "Someone" broke John Finn's jaw in the 85 semi final...does it make it better that no official complaint was launched? yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 07/06/2017 14:48:40 1996493 Link
Ah those halcyon days. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 07/06/2017 14:55:56 1996500 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "In the past there weren't as many camera's but to suggest the game and players were morally better in the past in laughable. "Someone" broke John Finn's jaw in the 85 semi final...does it make it better that no official complaint was launched?" What stopped it from being launched? I wouldn't have a problem for something that serious. The stuff today is piddly in comparison to that. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 07/06/2017 14:56:30 1996502 Link
Replying To ulsterrules: "Over the years the GAA has become a game for the big teams in either code . Your player does something wrong and is punished if your with a top tier county team they get their legal teams into it and a technicality is found and off you go regardless of the incident. you can have a decision made on the day by a ref that is correct have video evidence to prove it's correct but get it overturned because of someone put a coma in the wrong place . we are only a couple of weeks in and this is already a massive issue with Comerford/McGeaney/Connolly . The GAA is all about the money these days , and maybe my memory is poor but 10 20 years ago if you were caught you were caught." Perhaps because I'm not from a "big team" county I'm inclined to agree with you, and so when the super eight gets up and running it will get progressively worse. Personally I don't blame Connolly (fully) or other gifted players like him, has his manager no questions to answer or carry no responsibility for the discipline of all players on the panel, managers in my view condone such actions of his players by not dropping them from the panel for a game or more, depending. Great players like Connelly, Donaghy, Michael Murphy and our own, dare I say it, Brendan Murphy are used and abused, and are expected to take it on the chin as if it were part and parcel of the game. Today's rules are tomorrow's guide lines or interpretation's. The rule book is similar in way's to a receipt book for hot curry's,in that some of it's contents are included just to spice it up a little, like multiple yellow cards, or black cards or red cards, pointing a finger, or perhaps waving a note book, and yet David Connolly gets a 12 week ban after playing out the full game without being sent off. Contraversory is what keeps the blood boiling, it keeps the turn stiles clicking, to hell with the players feelings. The rule book has to be rewritten, either that or introduce another card, perhaps an amber one, amber as in proceed with extreme caution. Davy Fitzgerald will not seek to have the eight-week ban imposed for an incursion on to the pitch during last Sunday week's Allianz hurling League semi-final against Tipperary in Nowlan Park rescinded or reduced. The Wexford county board state that it is "fully supportive" of Fitzgerald and considers his ban to be 'harsh'. Didn't Comerford/McGeaney readily accept their suspension, I think Connelly should follow suit and do the same thing, he would be doing himself a massive favour and he would have won a new level of respect from all sports minded people, should Dublin reach the semi final DC would be back, available for selection, with the system purged and a clean sheet. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 07/06/2017 22:03:23 1996699 Link
Replying To Gleebo: "I've never seen Morales in the GAA either. Do they play in Bolivia?" there's always a fekin spelling Nazi on every forum, you well know what he means, doesn't make you any smarter than any other poster if that's all you can reply to his post bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 07/06/2017 22:59:30 1996719 Link
Replying To bulmccabe: "there's always a fekin spelling Nazi on every forum, you well know what he means, doesn't make you any smarter than any other poster if that's all you can reply to his post" Your sense of humour bypass was successful, it seems... On the OP, he seems to think there was a time when these things didn't happen. There have always been disciplinary controversies in the GAA, going back to the Keady Affair in the 1980s, All-Ireland winning stars suspended for breaking the ban in the 1960s, alleged assaults following All-Ireland hurling finals in the 1950s, alleged rough-housing of a young Antrim team in the 1940s, refs disallowing legitimate soloed goals in All-Ireland football finals in the 1920s... Even in the initial years of the Association, there were quite a few voided games where one team found that the rules that they were playing by didn't match the opposition's, and took a huff. More to the point, the top counties have dominated for the vast majority of the history of gaelic games, which is probably why about five counties in football hold maybe two-thirds of the All-Ireland titles, and it would be even more pronounced in hurling. It is also deeply ingrained within the culture of the Association for teams to appeal disciplinary measures, irrespective of the circumstances or how guilty their star man is. And my county is as bad as anyone else in that sense. So, forgive me for making a minor crack about the title of an overwrought OP with a rose-tinted view of the past. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 08/06/2017 10:48:55 1996817 Link
maybe my memory is poor but 10 20 years ago if you were caught you were caught. Also, around this time period we had stuff going on like the Gary Kirby incident in the 1996 All-Ireland hurling final, the mass brawl involving 29 players in the Meath and Mayo football final that year, the Colin Lynch affair, Michael Duignan's pull on David Forde, the targeting of Peter Canavan in the All-Ireland semi-final in 1996, several incidents in the Munster hurling final in 1998, for which most of the disciplinary actions were appealed, as far as I remember anyway. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 08/06/2017 11:13:27 1996837 Link
I remember reading an Eamon McGee article in the Star shortly after he retired when he spoke on the subject of appeals against suspensions handed out and he more or less said when a player gets sent off/suspended the first thing that is done is that the legal experts are called in to look for a loop hole and see what can be done to get the guilty party off. We very rarely see, if ever, the county manager or county board agree with the suspension handed out and an appeal is nearly always launched. Obviously there are the occasions when an appeal is justified e.g. Diarmuid Connolly's red card in the all ireland semi final in 2011 was rightly recinded. but there is definitely a culture of appeal no matter what in the GAA at the moment. They have introduced a system in English soccer in the last few years where if they felt an appeal made from a club was wrong they would then increase the length of the ban so that could be something that the GAA look at so if there is a threat of the ban being increased in a clear cut incident then maybe the county board would be quicker to accept the punishment. Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 08/06/2017 11:16:10 1996838 Link
Replying To Mobot: "I remember reading an Eamon McGee article in the Star shortly after he retired when he spoke on the subject of appeals against suspensions handed out and he more or less said when a player gets sent off/suspended the first thing that is done is that the legal experts are called in to look for a loop hole and see what can be done to get the guilty party off. We very rarely see, if ever, the county manager or county board agree with the suspension handed out and an appeal is nearly always launched. Obviously there are the occasions when an appeal is justified e.g. Diarmuid Connolly's red card in the all ireland semi final in 2011 was rightly recinded. but there is definitely a culture of appeal no matter what in the GAA at the moment. They have introduced a system in English soccer in the last few years where if they felt an appeal made from a club was wrong they would then increase the length of the ban so that could be something that the GAA look at so if there is a threat of the ban being increased in a clear cut incident then maybe the county board would be quicker to accept the punishment." You could probably also streamline the disciplinary system to that end- between the CCCC, CHC, DRA etc. there are far too many avenues of appeal, which doesn't help the clarity of the process. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 08/06/2017 11:33:01 1996849 Link
Replying To Gleebo: "You could probably also streamline the disciplinary system to that end- between the CCCC, CHC, DRA etc. there are far too many avenues of appeal, which doesn't help the clarity of the process." Agree completely with you here. There are so many layers to the GAA disciplinary process that it's impossible to figure out where it begins and where it ends. Unfortunately to make any radical changes to the system will probably take years through congress but hopefully it will be addressed sooner rather than later, as the entire process has become so cumbersome as to be ineffective. AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 08/06/2017 11:53:35 1996856 Link
Well done DC for accepting the ban. He has done himself great credit. I think he looked at the pictures and knew he was wrong. It also takes an unwanted media circus away from Dublin throughout the summer. He's shown a good human side to him, which, as we view him as a public figure, isn't always easy to see. galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 10/06/2017 07:09:40 1997494 Link
I wont be commending Dermo here, he broke the rules and took his punishment, it is as it is regardless of your opinion on the severity of the incident or length of a ban. I will say however that the integrity of the linesman and referee and the pathway of the GAA disciplinary procedure is called into question here For the ref and linesman to see and not take action of the incident, collude post match and decide on collective action to wallpaper over their mistake is not in keeping with disciplinary procedures or natural justice. The GAA officiating or disciplinary institutions dont come out well of this in terms of integrity in due process. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 10/06/2017 09:04:54 1997509 Link
So does this mean that we have morals and honour in the GAA again?? keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 10/06/2017 10:38:34 1997522 Link
Should the CCCC, CHC, the DRA, etc, not obtain the services of the same legal team that represents the player/players that appeal their suspensions (mostly with success) then the chances of a suspension being overturned would be zero, as the whole thing would be water tight as in no comma left out. Question, - is it custom and practice for the referee to engage with his lines men, and his umpires at half time for for a chin wag to compare notes etc on the first half and discuss any issues that flared up or may flare up in the second half, and the same thing after the game. It should NOT have been left to Diarmuid Connolly to decide his own faith in whether he appealed or not, those who made the rules, passed down the 12 week sentence but at the end of the day passed the buck so to speak, any way from here on he is squeaky clean and good luck to him, - - - and indeed Dublin. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 10/06/2017 10:47:43 1997526 Link
Replying To Gleebo: "maybe my memory is poor but 10 20 years ago if you were caught you were caught. Also, around this time period we had stuff going on like the Gary Kirby incident in the 1996 All-Ireland hurling final, the mass brawl involving 29 players in the Meath and Mayo football final that year, the Colin Lynch affair, Michael Duignan's pull on David Forde, the targeting of Peter Canavan in the All-Ireland semi-final in 1996, several incidents in the Munster hurling final in 1998, for which most of the disciplinary actions were appealed, as far as I remember anyway." Just to clarify for you, you seem to be very mistaken on a couple of things, you stated that peter canavan was targeted. That is factually incorrect, he received and shoulder off john McDermott and got injured. Are you saying everyone who shoulders a player is targeting them? Honestly such bs. Secondly the mass brawl as you call, (it was started by mayo to try o intimidate the Meath kids) two players were sent off (the right 2 in all right minded people) afterwards both teams and county boards were fined and players suspended, so I think that qualifies as taking punishments, would you not agree?? royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/06/2017 10:57:33 1997529 Link
have to commend diarmuid Connolly for accepting that he done wrong and will take the consequences. Now maybe some Dublin supporters will do the same and admit that they were/are wrong as well by constantly bleating every one is jealous of Dublin are out to get us and get our players suspended. Yes the linesman made a mistake but to now start calling out refs and officials just looks petty. Sure some of the officiating is questionable but until the gaa start to simplify the rule book and bringing it upto date then these errors are going to continue. Take out any discretion of the ref to start may help but the way things are, most refs are reefing the game with an eye on what the assessor is thinking in the stand. As it is any controversial decision will end up at croke park and probably be overturned which must be demoralising for refs. Time now for a panel of semi-pro refs properly paid to ref, do the line and umpire bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 10/06/2017 10:59:32 1997531 Link
I have been in a minority along with some other lads on here saying do the crime do the time , many a sarcky decker has said Dublin would fudge this and use their so called power to get DC off , they haven't and they have done what I always believed was the right thing , how about some on here also doing the right thing and admitting they were wrong or is that too much to ask Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 10/06/2017 19:31:14 1997645 Link