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I was looking to get concrete information/confirmation of the Christy Ring champions proposed participation in the AI series this year, and it seems to be a little hazy. As far as I can tell, the proposal is that the Ring champions will go into the AI qualifiers this year, and compete in a "preliminary" round, which is to be played before the already existing Round 1 qualifiers. Their opponents will be one of the Leinster quarter-final losers. This was due to be confirmed by Congress in February. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 30/04/2017 21:14:09 1983690 Link 0 |
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Not happening this year despite being approved last year! Congress decided in February that it was too late to accommodate this change this year, even thought the decision to approve it was taken last year! A mere mortal couldn't ever contrive this level of absolute BS but the GAA never fails. Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 01/05/2017 00:03:59 1983709 Link 1 |
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The game is still down to be played on June 24th this year on the fixture list. Is this not the case anymore then?
HandballRef (Donegal) - Posts: 520 - 01/05/2017 10:37:32 1983738 Link 0 |
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Urgh, I was afraid it was something like that, typical. I was really looking forward to seeing how the Ring winner would do in the qualifiers, especially with the momentum they'd have build up winning the Christy Ring. But what HandballRef says is correct, all the fixture lists I've seen for this year still have the Christy Ring winner in a prelim qualifier on June 24th. I wonder if the players/teams in the Christy Ring are aware of this change status, or if they'll be expecting to go on to the AI qualifiers if they win? I mean, its still seems to be the expectation in some of the articles I've read in the last few weeks, such as: http://www.irishnews.com/sport/hurlingandcamogie/2017/04/19/news/antrim-expecting-close-encounter-into-carlow-christy-ring-cup-opener-1000561/ Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 01/05/2017 18:57:59 1983820 Link 0 |
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The GAA website has the fixture down for 24th June as "Preliminary Round (If Approved at Congress 2017)" Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2460 - 01/05/2017 20:23:45 1983835 Link 0 |
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Is that definitely the case? There seems to be no mention of it not happening this year anywhere, the fixtures were done to accommodate it if it was passed at congress which it was.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 01/05/2017 20:40:40 1983838 Link 0 |
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Ah lads will yis stop and don't be applying logic or common sense to how the GAA makes their rules up as they go along. It was proposed and agreed last year i.e. in 2016, that the winners of the CR Cup would enter the Leinster championship in the same year as they won the CR Cup. The plan was they would play the second placed team in the qualifier group with the winners joining the qualifier group winners in the Leinster quarters. When eliminated they were then to play in the qualifiers. Good proposal I think most would and did agree. However, and sit down now while I tell yis this, some bright spark in the Leinster council pointed out that the CR Cup winners may not necessarily be a Leinster county and therefore should not be allowed play in the Leinster championship. I know, I know, sure aren't Galway and Kerry already doing so, and Antrim have in the recent past. Nevertheless, this "insight" carried the day and it was decided instead that the winners would not enter Leinster until the following year but could enter the qualifiers in the year they won the CR Cup. On that basis, the fixtures for 2017, which someone already referred to, were made. That of course was shortly before this year's Congress where formal approval was sought. However, some other bright spark pointed out on the margins of Congress that the fixtures for this year had already been made and it was too late to accommodate the CR Cup winners this year. That of course was wrong as accommodation was already provided for this, but nobody checked, or bothered to point this out, and so the motion was amended to provide that this would not come into effect until next year i.e. 2018. As I said before, you couldn't make this cackhanded nonsense up if you tried but the GAA managed it and in doing so have made an utter mess of implementing a worthwhile proposal. Confirmation of the fact of it not now kicking in until next year is contained here. http://www.hoganstand.com/Galway/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=266806 Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 01/05/2017 22:12:19 1983858 Link 0 |
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Thanks for that, it's a real pity it hasn't been brought in this year as it is a good idea. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 02/05/2017 10:29:40 1983891 Link 0 |
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If only Dublin or Cork were in the Ring cup. carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 02/05/2017 11:34:47 1983917 Link 1 |
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Sad but true, Sure lets get a super 8 in hurling just to pull that drawbridge up even further for the counties genuinely trying to close the gap.... bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 02/05/2017 12:00:25 1983921 Link 0 |
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It was a flawed proposal from the start - counties were better off in the christy ring rather than in the leinster qualifier group, which in theory is a higher level, for instance Meath last year gained promotion from the CR to play in the leinster round robin, if they finish second from bottom they get no extra game yet Antrim, who they defeated will probably win the CR would get a chance to leap frog them to get into the leinster quarter final, whats wrong with winning the CR as a way of getting into the leinster qualifiers and then trying to get to get into the top 2 of that? Meath would be better off throwing their last game to get relegated back to the CR in that format. 73forever (Limerick) - Posts: 89 - 02/05/2017 14:24:12 1983965 Link 0 |
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Good point!
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 03/05/2017 00:13:25 1984089 Link 0 |
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You are assuming that Meath would win the CR next year. I thought it was a great proposal to reward the winning CR team and give them an idea of the higher standard for the following year. carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 03/05/2017 09:03:38 1984114 Link 0 |
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Do the intermediate club champions go into the senior championship the same season in any county? keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 03/05/2017 09:21:49 1984120 Link 0 |
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A silly question. Most, if not all, county senior and intermediate club championships are played simultaneously.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2460 - 03/05/2017 19:25:29 1984292 Link 0 |
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Christy Ring counties, even Lord Meagher counties, are all senior so that's a ridiculous comparison if that's what you're implying with your question.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 03/05/2017 20:35:08 1984307 Link 0 |
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If they were all 'senior' they'd all be competing for the All-Ireland.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 03/05/2017 22:31:27 1984326 Link 2 |
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The All Ireland Senior B/Second Tier Senior Hurling Championship (Christy Ring). 'Tis Senior :-) Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 04/05/2017 09:18:36 1984369 Link 0 |
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Carlovia clearly yourselves and Antrim are much more influential than you thought in the corridors of power! Saturdays winners getting Laois is a tough draw but they will go into the game off the back of claiming some silverware and that can provide real momentum. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 06/06/2017 11:26:44 1995462 Link 0 |
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The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 06/06/2017 11:51:42 1995486 Link 0 |