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Listen to this Off The Ball podcast if you haven't already, it will tell you exactly what is going on in football today and the whole mindset of teams wanting to knock Dublin off their perch. It says Kerry were certainly the instigators down in Tralee and maybe this is the only way to go, worrying times for the game as a spectacle. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8571 - 28/03/2017 02:31:30 1972110 Link 4 |
In fairness, teams have always done what is necessary , Armargh and Tyrone came up with an original way to beat Kerry , Donegal ambushed us previously, the blocking of the man off the ball the targeting of Fenton , anything to thwart Cluxton its par for the course at this stage , the beauty is teams are rattled and are spending as much time trying to figure out how to stop us as they are in figuring out how to beat us
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 28/03/2017 09:16:16 1972139 Link 4 |
Indeed Damo, and I remember Jim McGuinness saying that he was sick of Donegal taking hidings and that was his reason for inventing the Donegal 'style'. There was no cute hoorism from Quirke in fairness, only good honest opinions. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8571 - 28/03/2017 10:08:58 1972156 Link 0 |
Very good point, counties are reacting to how to find a method to beat Dublin as opposed to evolving from within to find their own footballing philosophy. It just leaves county without any footballing identity and it looks like some teams arent enjoying playing football. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4441 - 28/03/2017 10:15:43 1972160 Link 0 |
In fairness to Kerry I think we have always managed to rattle this Dublin side. Cluxton has frequently had a bit of a melt down against us, a la last August and again Saturday week ago. We seem to be able to counter act the Dub's kick out strategy and your a long way towards putting yourself in a position to win by doing that. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 28/03/2017 10:39:30 1972167 Link 0 |
I would say teams aren't enjoying getting hammered more than anything. I can't speak for other counties but I don't think we've ever given up an identity just for the Dubs, we changed under Jim to become a winning county, to win Ulsters and the All-Ireland and no Donegal person will tell you that they miss getting beat out the gate by Armagh. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 28/03/2017 10:42:45 1972172 Link 2 |
Hermit, not being funny but ye come close, but ye never actually beat us. So, ye're strategy is not working. I wouldn't fear Kerry. I respect them, how could you not, but I wouldn't fear them atall. The team i fear, as in the team I would be most nervous about playing this summer, is Tyrone. Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 28/03/2017 11:52:23 1972197 Link 1 |
Much in the same way as Dublin evolved to beat Donegal. All teams evolve, the dublin team of 2011 wouldn't have got to where they did without some of the beatings they took, would they have won 2 in a row without being beaten by donegal in 2014. It is a mistake to think Dublin are the pinaacle of all gaelic football as their time will pass and the Kerrys and Mayos should learn from their defeats and come back with renewed desire. These periods are cyclical so enjoy being top of the pile as there's a fair few queuing up to knock you off there. duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 28/03/2017 12:13:19 1972200 Link 2 |
agreed
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 28/03/2017 12:17:14 1972202 Link 0 |
Yeah the Saviours and Angels would never resort to dirty tactics. Oh no not at all KYTotalFootball (Kerry) - Posts: 280 - 28/03/2017 12:34:34 1972214 Link 1 |
A Tyrone team with no forwards
westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 28/03/2017 12:34:36 1972215 Link 0 |
@duckula20 Your completely right and that was my point really, no doubt Dublin from 11 to 16 evolved and probably the biggest learning curves and evolution came with defeats in 12 and 14, i think they continue to evolve really, their are many aspects to the approach from expansive football to dogged systemic football. So the change comes from within in response to defeats rather to set up or change identity to meet the standard of another team. Of course the run will end, every team has a life cycle and there is fatigue creeping in generally with Dublins success nationwide. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4441 - 28/03/2017 12:44:13 1972219 Link 0 |
I think Dublin conceding 3 goals and 16 or whatever it was points was the main cause for Dublin's defeat by Donegal.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2087 - 28/03/2017 12:47:43 1972223 Link 2 |
In all fairness...watching Dublin play is enjoyable. They have brought a freshness to gaelic football with some fantastic individual players. Can't begrudge them the success that they have had...great team and manager. Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 28/03/2017 13:01:50 1972226 Link 1 |
I'll disagree there Liam, I think last August we could/possibly should have won only the fitness let us down in the last few minutes and we lacked a little class up front at that crucial time. Think Geaney being subbed, Gooch shooting into Cluxton's hands from an angle he would usually put over in his sleep etc. Look at last Saturday week, yes Dublin got a result but Paul Murphy's kick to nowhere is the reason we did not win that one. Anyway all I am saying is Kerry can rattle Dublin because, more than anyone, Kerry seem to be able to counter-act yer kick-outs. And I don't think it takes a genius to see Cluxton is still probably your most vital player. Even going back to the semi in 07 we have been able to rattle him and when he is taken out of his comfort zone like that, he starts making basic mistakes. He has done it our last two meetings, rushed kick-outs, balls being sent over the sideline etc. It is, to use Churchill's old phrase, the soft belly of the crocodile. If Kerry can get more youth and pace into their side, add a little more up front then we've had in the last year and replicate our strategy for the Dublin kick outs we still could have the beatings of them this summer if we cross paths. Lots of could's and if's for that to pan out mind. TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 28/03/2017 13:05:56 1972227 Link 0 |
A lot is made of the Donegal approach in the 2011 Semi but for me that game catapulted this Dublin team to where they are. A real struggle, 0-8 to 0-6. That day Dublin adapted on their feet and have been doing so in many games since. Prior to that, those were games Dublin were losing. slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 28/03/2017 13:39:36 1972239 Link 1 |
Obviously the main point of my post went over your head
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 28/03/2017 13:39:50 1972240 Link 0 |
By no means is any of the below easy or an exhaustive list but in order to beat the Dubs you must Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9073 - 28/03/2017 13:42:28 1972242 Link 2 |
People talk as if Dublin will just play the way they play and it is up to other teams to change the way they play in coming up with a strategy to beat them. But what is worth mentioning is that Dublin also tailor their approach against teams and devise their own strategy to win, its not just a case of them turning up and going through the motions. As an example, it was obvious that the McHughs were pinpointed when Donegal played them last year and legal or not, it was a smart tactic given how influential they had been in previous matches. benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 28/03/2017 14:00:09 1972254 Link 1 |
west, you wouldnt BELIEVE how many times we play a team with "no forwards" who all of a sudden they start shooting the lights out on the big stage!! (ps, will be back your way easter, u still owe me a pint after last September buddy :) ) Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 28/03/2017 14:02:02 1972257 Link 0 |