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Reading through the different fixtures over the last few weeks, and particularly this week, I see Offaly could still make the quarter finals of the NHL...having lost 4 games...sitting bottom of division 1B (2 really)...and they can still make a quarter final if results go a certain way..so by beating Kerry and which is even an ask at the way things are going and winning their 1st game in the League, they could potentially make a quarter final...a joke if you ask me...Tipp if they get to meet them will more than likely destroy them and leave them in tatters facing into the Championship.... Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 25/03/2017 23:21:16 1971041 Link 0 |
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Reading through the different fixtures over the last few weeks, and particularly this week, I see Offaly could still make the quarter finals of the NHL...having lost 4 games...sitting bottom of division 1B (2 really)...and they can still make a quarter final if results go a certain way..so by beating Kerry and which is even an ask at the way things are going and winning their 1st game in the League, they could potentially make a quarter final...a joke if you ask me...Tipp if they get to meet them will more than likely destroy them and leave them in tatters facing into the Championship.... ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/03/2017 23:57:23 1971048 Link 0 |
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There is a huge gap between the top 9 and the next tier made up of the likes of kerry, Laois, offaly, antrim, Westmeath and carlow! For me those 9 should be kept separate in the league from the other teams until there is some evidence that the gap is closing! 1b has seen too many mismatches, for the likes of kerry, they have only had two competitive games in the league, the rest were annihilations and this won't change any time soon! as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 26/03/2017 09:55:44 1971082 Link 1 |
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The problem is...trying to please everybody! For years just 2 teams from Division 1B made the quarter finals. Then because 3 "big" counties were consigned to 1B, the team that finished 3rd each year complained that because they were "condemned" to 1B for another year they were being denied top class competition and that this was causing their county to fall back even more into the "also ran" category. (Offaly would have been one of those counties complaining!) You also had the other "weak" counties in 1B complaining that there was no incentive for them to improve and move to the next level because the promotion spots were guaranteed to be won by the "strong" teams in 1B. So following all these complaints the system was changed to what we have today and indeed it is far from satisfactory.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 26/03/2017 11:39:27 1971105 Link 0 |
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Because of the limited number of top teams its not possible to have the perfect league structure. The current system is a good as I can remember. Teams.Weaker teams are always complaining that they will never get to the top level without playing top teams. Then when they get a hiding everyone questions the system that allows that to happen. Dublin beat the Rossies in football last night by 21 points.We don get those margins in the div1a of the hurling league. Offaly may well get an almighty hiding in the league quarter final. So what? Would it be better for offaly hurling if they went down to div2 or continued to play laois and kerry for ever to protect them from getting a hiding?? ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 26/03/2017 11:51:08 1971109 Link 1 |
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Ah I don't really know I suppose to be honest....go back to the old system of Div 1-4 straight forward....I remember Offaly Tipp Kerry Westmeath Kildare etc in Div 2 back in 1980s..and they/some of them did OK..now they/some of themare in this Div1...be it 1b..looks good but doing nothing for them...as potentially the traditional big team in the division can win 1 game only and still reach a quarter final!!...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 26/03/2017 11:59:00 1971113 Link 0 |
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currrentl Offaly are clinging on to the coat tails of Limerick Wexford and maybe Laois, Waterford, Kilkenny, Cork, Galway, Tipp etc are all streets ahead..dropping down to Division 2 you know might be no harm for Offaly..the would surely win most or all of their games, GET their confidence back , and go into a decent league quarter final as a reward...getting into a league quarter final having beaten just Kerry is wrong..I know thats the way results went but Laois put in some decent performances too and beat Offaly yet they are in the relegation play off with Laois!!!!...something wrong there..its nick or nothing no one gets a hiding in Divison 1A with some outrageous high tallies being returned every week, where Offaly are now, they wouldnt keep it pucked out to those teams.....thats doing no one any good meeting a team and getting beat by 25 or 30 points....
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 26/03/2017 17:35:42 1971267 Link 0 |
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no need for all these qf/sf/fnls, in hurling and football. you win the league by winning the most points, and where applicable gain promotion with the runner up and the second from bottom playing off for the promotion relegation places. cutting about 4 weeks from county league pressures to allow club games to be played. But sure there would be no money in that for the supposed brains at the croke park. bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 26/03/2017 18:17:09 1971301 Link 0 |
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This is the main flaw in the current system. 1b is a tier below 1a (its not 12 teams split evenly into 2 groups), one is substantially more difficult to compete in than the other, so the current quarter-final qualifications make no sense. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 26/03/2017 18:23:57 1971304 Link 1 |
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The hurling league is what it is. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 26/03/2017 19:14:37 1971352 Link 1 |
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Having watched Kerry Offaly today, I'm half (probably more) that we have avoided a slaughter next week at Semple vs Tipp!!!! KYTotalFootball (Kerry) - Posts: 280 - 26/03/2017 20:48:51 1971449 Link 0 |
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The hurling league is a joke and has been for some time, it should be same as the football with Divisions 1 - 4 with a two up two down scenario and if your not good enough for Division 1 then you play Division 2, simple as. The fact that Offaly have qualified for a quarter final courtesy of one win out of 5 and Clare miss out with two wins over higher opposition is farcical in the extreme and that's no slight against Offaly it's simply a fact. Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 26/03/2017 21:32:09 1971474 Link 0 |
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Problem is that it takes 8 teams to make up a Qtr final. So 4 teams from each division make up the Qtr final. You could have 6 teams from Div1A (All of Division 1A) and 2 teams from Div1B.. lol. Or 5 teams from Division 1A and 3 teams from Div 1B.
crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 26/03/2017 23:25:06 1971551 Link 0 |
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Yeah, introducing the quarter-final stage in 2014 was a mistake I think. The current format was working before that, without quarter-finals. So going back to just semi-finals made up of the top 3 teams in 1a, and the top team in 1b, would make more sense. Introducing automatic promotion/relegation between all tiers would have been more useful than introducing an ill-fitting quarter-final stage.
Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 27/03/2017 01:16:12 1971575 Link 0 |
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You cant suit everyone but many would agree that the current format is the best its been in years. LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2472 - 27/03/2017 03:33:35 1971587 Link 1 |
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Leave the top 2 divisions as they are but with some changes. mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 27/03/2017 08:40:34 1971607 Link 1 |
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replying to Lohansredhelmet above: I dont know, Offaly scraped over Kerry yesterday, HOPEFULLY Offaly will give them some kind of game, but realistically the way things are going Tipp may beat Offaly by over 20 points and I am assuming that they will pull up after 50 minutes or so at that..so this time next year when someone asks who was in last years league quarter finals unfortunately most people wont remember and Offaly fans wont want to remember..shocks happen every now and then but its hard to see one here..in fairness there are a few novel quarter finals with Cork V Limerick. Wexford V Kilkenny, and to throw in Waterford V Galway, and God be with the days when Offaly V Tipp would be icing on the cake on such a quarter final line up..I suppose its down to marketing too...2 or these games now will probably be played of a Saturday evening while some other sport is on and will "fall under the radar"...nice if they got decent airing time at least highlight wise on RTE.... Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 27/03/2017 09:15:05 1971620 Link 0 |
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Also if Offaly had beaten Laois they would have 4 pts and nobody would have noticed the oddities /inequalities in the present system.
crikey (Australia) - Posts: 355 - 27/03/2017 09:32:10 1971627 Link 0 |
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I would be surprised if Tipp did not win by 20 plus TBH
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2472 - 27/03/2017 09:54:10 1971639 Link 0 |
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I agree with Zulu. If you create a super 8, 9 or 10 team league for only the big sides, then those teams in that division will get the benefits that other teams won't. The current format allows Kerry & Laois to get games against so called bigger counties. The current format is not perfect but it does give the teams games. slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 27/03/2017 09:58:49 1971643 Link 0 |