perfect10

sorry pal i ment to address it to you in the first place haha

yes i agree most countys do it but i felt it was a pre match plan from wexford to slow the tempo down at any chance of dublin building up a bit of momentum

hill16no1man I think any team would do it.I will remind you of this if Dublin are doing it v Meath or anyone,haha!!

But sure anyway,it's a bad tactic that didnt work for us anyway as we lost the game.One quick way to eradicate this from the game is to play on!

Was in the USA last Winter and seen a very good mechanism for reducing ref mess ups within the NFL. Its called the review booth.

Ok its simple there is a booth with a monitor on the sideline. So a ref makes a call, generally he'll know by a) the reaction of players involved b) other players and c) crowd and managament whether he got it right. So he calls it but theres doubt, He signals the clock to be stopped (Yes we need a stadium clock for this to work). He goes to the booth and can view the incident from all available camera angles, slow mo, replay you name it. He returns to the field and says either a) My decision stands, b) its actaully a free the other way or c) no free at all ,throw ball.

Advantages - The big calls (iffy scores, square ball, penalty, crucial frees, red cards) will be made correctly. Refs will get more respect and makes their job easier.
Can also be used as a means of grading referees for inter county standard - how many times has he used the booth, how many calls did he get right after consulting the booth.

Also each manager is aloud to request the referee to use the booth ONCE per half. Once requested the ref can't refuse.

We can argue that it will lead to possiblity 5-6 min stoppages but I think its worth it and should be used in all games at Inter County and Club finals.

03/07/2012 18:50:47
crossfieldball
County: Galway
Posts: 150

1208818 Was in the USA last Winter and seen a very good mechanism for reducing ref mess ups within the NFL. Its called the review booth.

Just use video ref like they do in rugby. A ref, who is miked up to the ref, can be called on to make decisions where the ref is unsure

perfect10
County: Wexford
Posts: 381


haha i wasnt slating wexford using it i just found it an intresting tactic because i ahdnt seen them do that against longford

crossfieldball
County: Galway
Posts: 150

Yea that sounds like an idea, or having the video ref micd up to the ref, even if it could only be used by each team 2/3 times a game. Any disputes could be sorted out there and then. I know this could only be used in Championship games because league games are not televised, but that would be a start. Like the GAA bring in the most ridiculous rules every winter rather then actually looking at important issues. Who would disagree with this type of system?

Removing the time keeping from them is a no brainer, and it should be introduced for club championship games too where prejudicial refereeing is rife, some of the added time in club games can be baffling? 6,7,8, even 9 minutes of added time or if it takes their fancy they add on no time at all when they should have.
Why hasn't it been introduced already when the ladies have it for a few years now?.

Removing the toe pick up is also worth consideration, its not exactly a great skill of the game or anything?, you can actually argue it takes away from the game forwards getting smothered out by a gang of defenders encouraging general bunching and sneaky fouling which refs often ignore, it would speed the game up and make for a more exciting contest.

The video ref like they have in Rugby is a must for real contentious issues, and costs virtually nothing to set it up and will hardly detract from the game as it will only take seconds for a guy on a monitor to replay the incident.

These are just 3 simple things that will not only help the referee but also keep the rival supporters much more sated, but don't wait up for the GAA to introduce these changes because anything that is common sense is largely ignored within this archaic institution.

Anyone feel like me that many referees blow for seemingly innocuous challenges on defenders by a forward? but a forward has to be virtually rugby tackled before he's awarded a free if it at all he gets one?, and another gripe of mine is when a team is winning easily refs often instinctively award very soft frees for the losing team while ignoring similar challenges on the team who are winning easily, its almost like they're pre-programmed to try and keep games as close as possible instead of refereeing what they see and not what they would like to see, it infuriates me.

The standard of refereeing seems to be lower in televised games for some odd reason

kildarecat22

Keep the toe pick up as its a essential skill to the game.

Including umpires who should be given far more powers than they have there are 7 officials in and around the pitch so there's no excuse for the poor standard of officiating this season. Furthermore the referee should not have to pick his 4 umpires as most of the time they are clubmates or friends who wouldn't want to question his decision or be put in that ackward position. No disrespect to the umpires but many of them are portly, red faced blokes in their 50's and maybe not as up to speed as the guys on the pitch. The entire umpire role at Championship level has to be radically rethought!

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 2220

1208828
03/07/2012 18:50:47
crossfieldball
County: Galway
Posts: 150

1208818 Was in the USA last Winter and seen a very good mechanism for reducing ref mess ups within the NFL. Its called the review booth.

Just use video ref like they do in rugby. A ref, who is miked up to the ref, can be called on to make decisions where the ref is unsure

wouldnt work in gaa matches as it would slow the match down far too much in rugby it takes an age for the video ref to go through differant angles before coming up with an answer,this also is the reason hawk eye has been delayed as the score detection take as around 45 seconds to determine an aswer and the gaa have stated they will not allow that length of a break also hawk eye cannot handle the posts blowing in the wind

In the superbowl 2-3 years ago Pittsburgh were denied possession of the football because an infringement during the previous play was a non-reviewable one.In a game like American Football,possession of the football is much more important than a goal in our game.Rugby-try yes or no is regularly inconclusive.
There is no such thing as an infallible system and it would also add to the cost of playing our games due to needing more cameras,TV screens,etc.
What is needed is better umpires to assist referees,maybe a 2nd referee and more respect for them to encourage better people to do the job.

03/07/2012 20:51:19
hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 1951

1208927 ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 2220

1208828
03/07/2012 18:50:47
crossfieldball
County: Galway
Posts: 150

1208818 Was in the USA last Winter and seen a very good mechanism for reducing ref mess ups within the NFL. Its called the review booth.

Just use video ref like they do in rugby. A ref, who is miked up to the ref, can be called on to make decisions where the ref is unsure

wouldnt work in gaa matches as it would slow the match down far too much in rugby it takes an age for the video ref to go through differant angles before coming up with an answer,this also is the reason hawk eye has been delayed as the score detection take as around 45 seconds to determine an aswer and the gaa have stated they will not allow that length of a break also hawk eye cannot handle the posts blowing in the wind

Video ref would work in GAA. there is never the same pile up of bodies in the way in GAA scores like there is in rugby as teams try score a try.
in most cases in rugby the vid ref doesnt take too long. in some it does but must it doesnt stop the game for too long.

I suggest every game has 2 referees, one from each county/club competing.

The compromised rules games has a referee from Ireland and Australia dont they.

If one of the officials makes a bad call/ mistake against the other side then the other official can balance that out by counteracting it with a bad call /mistake.

I think this would create a level playing field for everyone.

Referees are only human after all, they will make some bad calls/mistakes, so if we are to accept this then we must also accept that referees can favour one team over the other, for certain reasons. Yes it would be wrong and yes it would be a mistake to do it but if that's what we have to accept then my suggestion of two referees one from each side would help to balance the thing out.
This suggestion would make referees think long and hard before making any crucial game changing decisions.

Some perhaps all of you will laugh at this suggestion but it's better to have two referees/humans on the field who we all know and accept are capable of making mistakes/bad calls than having one referee/human on the field making bad calls /mistakes all the one way.

LOL! The Louth lads on here.
Darren Clarke deserved the red.He would have got 2 yellows anyway,1 for the inital foul and one for the rough play in pullin your man up of the ground.
IMO He should have got a red for stupidity alone.

Then to go whinging about it on that pathetic Social media outlet.
What a tough man he is.Bet Louth supporters are just soooo proud of him!???

fredrickwood
County: Roscommon
Posts: 2871

1209442
LOL! The Louth lads on here.
Darren Clarke deserved the red.He would have got 2 yellows anyway,1 for the inital foul and one for the rough play in pullin your man up of the ground.
IMO He should have got a red for stupidity alone.

Then to go whinging about it on that pathetic Social media outlet.
What a tough man he is.Bet Louth supporters are just soooo proud of him!???


Firstly, what sort of a loser uses LOL????
Secondly, it wasnt even a yellow card never mind a red. He has every right to complain about the ref on twitter!!!
Ye im very proud of Darren this year, he was super, had a great season.

Good input into the discussion though, now tip and stop talking nonsense.

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 2226

rugby is a naturallys slow game in gaa it wouldnt work as two many angles would have to be viewed and not all grounds have the amount of camers needed

04/07/2012 18:03:14
hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 1956

1209675 ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 2226

rugby is a naturallys slow game in gaa it wouldnt work as two many angles would have to be viewed and not all grounds have the amount of camers needed

Rugby isnt a naturally slow game. slower than hurling and football but not a "naturally slow game".
How would there be too many angles to be viewed? And video ref would only be in use at games where the game is being shown live so there would be enough cameras at the ground

fredrickwood
County: Roscommon
Posts: 2871

1209442 LOL! The Louth lads on here.
Darren Clarke deserved the red.He would have got 2 yellows anyway,1 for the inital foul and one for the rough play in pullin your man up of the ground.
IMO He should have got a red for stupidity alone.

Then to go whinging about it on that pathetic Social media outlet.
What a tough man he is.Bet Louth supporters are just soooo proud of him!???
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So LIAMWALKINSTOWN, whats behind all this vitriol you've been posting ?.

Amateur game, amateur players but people expect world class refs. Get real.