National - Division 2 2017

Cork as you say should go up, not sure how their fixtures fall, looks like being a very competitive division with all teams capable of taking points from each other. I live in hope

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts:814 - 23/01/2017 21:11:56   1948240

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Replying To county man:  "Cork if they get their act together are a ahead of any other team in this division. After that any one of the others could go up apart from Clare, with Galway probably second favourites.

Relegation looks like it will be Clare and one from Down, Kildare, & Meath possibly. Hard division to call though."
Your opinon that Cork are way ahead of anyone else is nonsense. What is the basis of your claim? What evidence do you have? The league hasn't started yet. If Cork were to win their first three or four games I would agree with you. But it's pointless speculation before a ball is thrown in in the League. Cork are in Division 2 because they wern't good enough for Division 1 last season. It will be to use a cliche, a dogfight in Division 2.

Every team will will fancy their chances of promotion. I notice that a lot of posters are already writing Clare off and tipping them for possible relegation and tipping Fermanagh for Promotion. we'll just have to wait and see. Looking forward to great games in Division 2.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts:2625 - 24/01/2017 01:54:59   1948291

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "Your opinon that Cork are way ahead of anyone else is nonsense. What is the basis of your claim? What evidence do you have? The league hasn't started yet. If Cork were to win their first three or four games I would agree with you. But it's pointless speculation before a ball is thrown in in the League. Cork are in Division 2 because they wern't good enough for Division 1 last season. It will be to use a cliche, a dogfight in Division 2.

Every team will will fancy their chances of promotion. I notice that a lot of posters are already writing Clare off and tipping them for possible relegation and tipping Fermanagh for Promotion. we'll just have to wait and see. Looking forward to great games in Division 2."
Agree with you, it will be tight, every county will fancy a shout at promotion , can't wait

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:10663 - 24/01/2017 07:33:53   1948297

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my own county galway need to get to div one
but we been saying that for many years
we are very up and down in our performance
we do seem to have stronger squad for this year
what with lads coming back and lot good young players coming through
but time will tell as regards where we are
while I see a lpt people are tipping galway and cork
one team that is not mentioned is derry
derry are allways a good league team
and I expect them to be right there at the end

rhudson (Galway) - Posts:613 - 24/01/2017 11:25:13   1948361

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Have to agree with a few others above me who question Cork, they've done nothing in the last 4 championships apart from drawing with Kerry in 2015. Given the size of the county Cork will always have plenty of talent but collectively they've done but disappoint since 2012. I do think they'll go up but I'm expecting them to lose a couple of games along the way but it won't be a surprise if aren't promoted either.

TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts:419 - 24/01/2017 12:24:15   1948379

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Who goes up or who gets demoted is difficult to predict in this division as any of the teams on their day can beat any other team. I expect that there will be a few surprises, some close calls on the way and away wins may determine the result.

browncows (Meath) - Posts:1397 - 24/01/2017 13:23:14   1948393

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I also think Fermanagh will be very difficult to beat
pete mc grath is very positive about team this year

rhudson (Galway) - Posts:613 - 24/01/2017 15:12:01   1948446

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Replying To browncows:  "Who goes up or who gets demoted is difficult to predict in this division as any of the teams on their day can beat any other team. I expect that there will be a few surprises, some close calls on the way and away wins may determine the result."
Would have to agree fully with you. The number of home games will play a big part as, no doubt, will ref. decisions.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts:689 - 24/01/2017 20:11:19   1948551

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Replying To neverright:  "Would have to agree fully with you. The number of home games will play a big part as, no doubt, will ref. decisions."
Ahhhh the good old excuse of the ref. Even though a game hasn't been played yet you are bringing in the ref. And what about the decisions that favour the Rossies? I don't think we will hear about them. Maybe, just maybe it might be a one group of players play better than the other group of players. Heaven forbid.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts:496 - 24/01/2017 21:18:36   1948563

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Ahhhh the good old excuse of the ref. Even though a game hasn't been played yet you are bringing in the ref. And what about the decisions that favour the Rossies? I don't think we will hear about them. Maybe, just maybe it might be a one group of players play better than the other group of players. Heaven forbid."
What a ridiculous post. Obviously the better team has a greater chance of winning but the point I presume he is trying to make is that Division two on paper is very tight and some games maybe decided by refereeing decision. Unless you have been living on planet Mars for last year years you can't argue against point that bad refereeing decisions have decided quite a number of games in last few years. So what point exactly are you trying to make? And how does original post in any way relate to Roscommon apart from poster claiming he is a rossie?

Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts:190 - 24/01/2017 22:01:28   1948575

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "Your opinon that Cork are way ahead of anyone else is nonsense. What is the basis of your claim? What evidence do you have? The league hasn't started yet. If Cork were to win their first three or four games I would agree with you. But it's pointless speculation before a ball is thrown in in the League. Cork are in Division 2 because they wern't good enough for Division 1 last season. It will be to use a cliche, a dogfight in Division 2.

Every team will will fancy their chances of promotion. I notice that a lot of posters are already writing Clare off and tipping them for possible relegation and tipping Fermanagh for Promotion. we'll just have to wait and see. Looking forward to great games in Division 2."
I said Cork are ahead, not way ahead. I am basing it on strength of teams and it's just like my opinion man.

Just because teams are in the same division, doesn't necessarily mean they are at the same level. It does for the most part but there are always teams who are stronger than the rest. Kildare were in the same league as Limerick last year and I don't think you'd believe that Limerick were at the same level as Kildare last year.

It is a tough league to call and it can be any two bar Clare to go up but I do think Cork will be one of them.

county man (Limerick) - Posts:953 - 24/01/2017 22:06:26   1948578

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Replying To Cuckoosinging:  "What a ridiculous post. Obviously the better team has a greater chance of winning but the point I presume he is trying to make is that Division two on paper is very tight and some games maybe decided by refereeing decision. Unless you have been living on planet Mars for last year years you can't argue against point that bad refereeing decisions have decided quite a number of games in last few years. So what point exactly are you trying to make? And how does original post in any way relate to Roscommon apart from poster claiming he is a rossie?"
Did I claim it was related to Roscommon? Paranoid much?
I don't get the point of bringing up the ref before a game has been played. A lot of people take the easy way out and automatically blame the ref. Everyone knows the ref is going to make mistakes. Get over it. I have criticised refs before but some posters constantly use them as a scape goat for their countries defeats. It gets extremely tiring. Just a quick question, how many games have you reffed?

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts:496 - 24/01/2017 22:54:48   1948590

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I'd agree largely with what was said by my fellow Galway men above. We should have a stronger squad this year than last year, especially when Corofin contingent come back, but our performances have lacked consistency for a while now. We had a great start to last year's league only for it to fall apart with a string of draws thereafter. I have however seen signs of improvements in Kevin Walsh's first 2 years and if the rate of improvement continues this year I think we have a good chance of getting promoted.

Cork in the first game is a tough one to call as it's very hard to know where both teams are at with only pre season games to judge them on. Will be interesting to Galway's the lineup for that game and who out of the new lads (McHugh, Day, McDaid and Daly) gets a start.

Rocky.Road (Galway) - Posts:225 - 25/01/2017 13:30:02   1948688

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Ahhhh the good old excuse of the ref. Even though a game hasn't been played yet you are bringing in the ref. And what about the decisions that favour the Rossies? I don't think we will hear about them. Maybe, just maybe it might be a one group of players play better than the other group of players. Heaven forbid."
I was making the point that D2 appears to be so evenly balanced that final placings could depend on the number of home games a team has and perhaps a bad call by the ref against a team. Refs do make wrong calls - even against Tyrone at times. I seem to remember a lot of complaining from Tyrone posters about Sean Cavanagh's red card last year. I don't know how you could have thought I was talking about Roscommon as to the best of my knowledge we are still in D1. Maybe a trip to specksavers should be on the cards.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts:689 - 25/01/2017 14:59:38   1948732

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Meath against kildar is always interesting, Meath should scrape through, won't be easy

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:10663 - 25/01/2017 15:10:16   1948737

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Replying To neverright:  "I was making the point that D2 appears to be so evenly balanced that final placings could depend on the number of home games a team has and perhaps a bad call by the ref against a team. Refs do make wrong calls - even against Tyrone at times. I seem to remember a lot of complaining from Tyrone posters about Sean Cavanagh's red card last year. I don't know how you could have thought I was talking about Roscommon as to the best of my knowledge we are still in D1. Maybe a trip to specksavers should be on the cards."
Firstly my point regarding Roscommon was a generally point that when a team,any team,wins you don't hear about the ref. When your team gets beat it's all the refs fault.
Secondly it's clear you have a major problem with refs......here is another quote from you "Reffining decisions could play a big part in this game" in regards to a club game. Here's a thought,why don't you get up of your backside and learn to become a ref,see if you can do any better. Them specs that you were talking about might help. You have a major chip on your shoulder. Get over it.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts:496 - 25/01/2017 18:01:20   1948783

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Firstly my point regarding Roscommon was a generally point that when a team,any team,wins you don't hear about the ref. When your team gets beat it's all the refs fault.
Secondly it's clear you have a major problem with refs......here is another quote from you "Reffining decisions could play a big part in this game" in regards to a club game. Here's a thought,why don't you get up of your backside and learn to become a ref,see if you can do any better. Them specs that you were talking about might help. You have a major chip on your shoulder. Get over it."
Having spent 20 years doing the job I don't think I have to accept a comment like that. However I will be interested to see your comments down the line when you feel that Tyrone have had one or a number of bad calls against them. As a matter of interest have you 'got off your backside' and taken charge of the wfistle?

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts:689 - 25/01/2017 19:57:55   1948805

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Replying To neverright:  "Having spent 20 years doing the job I don't think I have to accept a comment like that. However I will be interested to see your comments down the line when you feel that Tyrone have had one or a number of bad calls against them. As a matter of interest have you 'got off your backside' and taken charge of the wfistle?"
So you spent 20 years reffing and you constantly criticise refs as I have proved......yeah right. And to say Tyrone haven't been on the end of poor decisions, catch a grip. Of course they have,just like every other county in Ireland.
Anyway we are going way of topic here. Good luck to Roscommon and safe journey to the Rossie's if you are heading up our way. Should be a good game.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts:496 - 25/01/2017 23:23:02   1948844

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Replying To neverright:  "Having spent 20 years doing the job I don't think I have to accept a comment like that. However I will be interested to see your comments down the line when you feel that Tyrone have had one or a number of bad calls against them. As a matter of interest have you 'got off your backside' and taken charge of the wfistle?"
Well fair play to you neverright for admitting that referees make mistakes, especially since you are a referee or a former ref? What do you think should be done in the future by the GAA to prevent bad decisions by referees? The GAA authorities have blatently ignored bad refereeing decisions and refused to address this contentious issue,and have instead brushed it under the green sward carpet of Croke Park.

In the Ivory Towers of Croke Park there are more pressing issues it seems. We can all remember bad refereeing decisions against our own counties or clubs, though addmittedly on occasions in the heat of the game we were wrong and realised afterwards that the ref had made the correct call.
However the worst refeering decision in the modern era as any neutral observer knows, as well as passionate Meath and Louth supporters was the goal that deprived Louth of a legitimate Leinster Championship in 2010.

Croke Park and the Leinster Council refused to intervene and instead put unfair pressure on the Meath County Board to make a decision as regards offering a replay, thus putting more pressure on the Tyrone referee who made the wrong decision that ultimately led to the end of his career as a referee.
Did Croke Park lear anything form that? Rhetorical question. Of course they didn't.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts:2625 - 26/01/2017 02:31:44   1948849

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Cork had a few retirements,but Aidan Walsh and Michael Shields are back. They should be thereabouts, with forwards like Hurley,O Neill and Kerrigan. Galway or maybe Derry to go up too.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts:1497 - 26/01/2017 13:34:14   1948942

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