National - Dublin v Mayo. Who will win the 2017 All Ireland football final?

Replying To waynoI:  "Now that the annual curtain raiser all Ireland hurling final guff is out of the way, we can now focus on the proper all Ireland final in 13 days :D

Question to both teams fans...

If the opposition win, will you stay and watch them lift the cup ?

Personally I didn't and don't want Mayo to win it. I actually don't really have any beef with Mayo. The Mayo for sam bandwagon gets under my skin a bit but I know from my trips to Castlebar that Mayo fans are really welcoming, genuine, warm people with a gra for the game. Their fans and indeed, the panel of players and management teams before have had some rotten luck in finals and they keep bouncing back. When you consider how many times they have lost at the final hurdle, to keep coming back again and again is just so admirable. There is something about that that's just .... its incredible. So if they won, I would absolute stand there and watch them lift it, And I don't even think id be that upset. Weve won 4 of the last 7, That doesn't quench your thirst as a fan and in such a good time for Dublin you want to pick up as much as you can watching this great group of players. But I think winning before would potentially make it that little bit easier if we were to lose.

Mayo fans on the other hand if Dublin win, I wouldn't blame most of them not having the stomach to watch Dublin lift it again and you just not get over the line.. But that said, would you guys be able to stand there watching one of the greatest teams to play the game in recent times cement their place in the history books as GAA fans ?

Personally id stay and id love if our fans did and really respected the effort Mayo have put in to get to the holy grail. Especially the Andy Morans and Keith Higgins. Id like Mayo fans to stay if we win but id totally get why they wouldn't want to If we win."
You're the one with the guff. Hurling is our native game, the fastest and most skilful game on the planet. Outside of Dublin all neutrals will be hoping it's Mayo on Sunday.

baire (Galway) - Posts:427 - 05/09/2017 11:13:31   2042909

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Replying To realdub:  "I think its going to be epic, this is surely it for Mayo, or is it? Its so hard to know with this team, they're a special bunch. There's the 3 in a row, Mayo's 1st in 66 years. The athleticism is pretty even for this one, maybe we have more pace. But a lot needs to go right in these games for whoever wins them. We've had some rubs of the green but I still think we were the better over all team when we did win.
7th meeting in 5 years, 3 wins for Dublin, 2 draws and a defeat. There's feck all in it lads, if we play as we can I'm pretty sure we will win, but Mayo won't let us play like that, they won't be consumed by containing Dublin, at least I don't think they will, that would be suicide Tyrone style.
Mayo have a couple of injury worries, if they lost Boyle for example, that's a big minus. We don't have to worry too much about things like that, Cluxton apart. I'm gonna go for a Dublin win of 4 or 5, that's with us bringing our A game. But this is not beyond this Mayo team, burning desire can make a man do strange things."
I think the Dublin bench will be the difference
Those players wouldn't be left on the bench for another county

Mayo management came out and said Colm Boyle has slight Achilles tear
I think this is just mind games by them
Because, achilles tear, if you don't rest it for up to six weeks it can cause long term damage
as scar tissue builds up and makes the problem worse

Scarabin (Dublin) - Posts:114 - 05/09/2017 11:47:23   2042927

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Replying To baire:  "You're the one with the guff. Hurling is our native game, the fastest and most skilful game on the planet. Outside of Dublin all neutrals will be hoping it's Mayo on Sunday."
My God who would have ever known!!! Every county willing the dubs to fail....

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts:660 - 05/09/2017 13:22:31   2042957

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Replying To baire:  "You're the one with the guff. Hurling is our native game, the fastest and most skilful game on the planet. Outside of Dublin all neutrals will be hoping it's Mayo on Sunday."
Everyone thinks their sports is the greatest
Its human nature

Scarabin (Dublin) - Posts:114 - 05/09/2017 14:26:23   2042991

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Replying To Scarabin:  "Everyone thinks their sports is the greatest
Its human nature"
Hurling is Ireland's native game, some 'football' supporters choose not to acknowledge that. Gaelic Football is a very recent sport whilst hurling has been played in Ireland and Scotland for hundreds of years. Gaelic football is a recent hybrid, a good game but not a patch on hurling. I don't wish to compare them as there's no comparison. I have played gaelic football and loved it but it takes special talent, dedication, hand/eye co-ordination, bravery and skill to play hurling.

baire (Galway) - Posts:427 - 05/09/2017 15:08:04   2043015

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Replying To jacktheDub:  "My God who would have ever known!!! Every county willing the dubs to fail...."
I actually like Dublin and its footballers but most Irish ppl will go for the underdog. I spoke to a Dublin man last night who said he'd like to see Mayo winning it this year. There are still true sports people in the country especially in the GAA. The reason the hurling final had the highest viewing for RTE in 2017 was due to the novelty of the occasion, neither county having won it in 29/58 years. Most ppl I have met, outside of their opponents, would like to see Mayo win an All Ireland. If Mayo were playing Kerry it would be the same. Don't start the 'everyone is against Dub' nonsense! If the Dublin hurlers were in the All Ireland most counties would love to see them winning an All Ireland.

baire (Galway) - Posts:427 - 05/09/2017 15:22:57   2043018

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Replying To baire:  "Hurling is Ireland's native game, some 'football' supporters choose not to acknowledge that. Gaelic Football is a very recent sport whilst hurling has been played in Ireland and Scotland for hundreds of years. Gaelic football is a recent hybrid, a good game but not a patch on hurling. I don't wish to compare them as there's no comparison. I have played gaelic football and loved it but it takes special talent, dedication, hand/eye co-ordination, bravery and skill to play hurling."
You keep comparing Hurling to Football
They are two completely different games
You want everyone to love it and think Hurling is the greatest thing ever invented

The world doesn't work that way
I have foreign friends, who look at Hurling the same way they look at Japanese Games shows
But no point in being upset
Different people like different things
Irish people WANT everyone to love it. But that wont happen
The likes of Ice Hockey fans and Basketball fans, at least they know, not everyone likes their sport

Scarabin (Dublin) - Posts:114 - 05/09/2017 15:48:11   2043032

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Baire,
just for the record, your stance that Hurling is the greatest game in the world, and far superior to football....thats just your OPINION. Nothing more. nothing less.
You have no facts or stats that can prove this, none.
Your giving an opinion, nothing more.
Its your opinion, and that is all.

It is my opinion that football is a better game and judging by the amt of people who follow both, its clear to see which is more popular nationwide. This very forum is proof positive of that. 10 football threads to every hurling one.

But, football being better is only my opinion and my opinion is no more valid than yours or anyone elses. So when I say football is better and you say hurling is better, neither or us are stating a fact, just personal opinions.

For what it's worth, for me, football is FAR superior.

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts:7861 - 05/09/2017 15:50:02   2043033

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Replying To baire:  "I actually like Dublin and its footballers but most Irish ppl will go for the underdog. I spoke to a Dublin man last night who said he'd like to see Mayo winning it this year. There are still true sports people in the country especially in the GAA. The reason the hurling final had the highest viewing for RTE in 2017 was due to the novelty of the occasion, neither county having won it in 29/58 years. Most ppl I have met, outside of their opponents, would like to see Mayo win an All Ireland. If Mayo were playing Kerry it would be the same. Don't start the 'everyone is against Dub' nonsense! If the Dublin hurlers were in the All Ireland most counties would love to see them winning an All Ireland."
that dublin man obviously isn't a dublin fan

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts:12433 - 05/09/2017 15:58:16   2043035

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Replying To waynoI:  "Now that the annual curtain raiser all Ireland hurling final guff is out of the way, we can now focus on the proper all Ireland final in 13 days :D

Question to both teams fans...

If the opposition win, will you stay and watch them lift the cup ?

Personally I didn't and don't want Mayo to win it. I actually don't really have any beef with Mayo. The Mayo for sam bandwagon gets under my skin a bit but I know from my trips to Castlebar that Mayo fans are really welcoming, genuine, warm people with a gra for the game. Their fans and indeed, the panel of players and management teams before have had some rotten luck in finals and they keep bouncing back. When you consider how many times they have lost at the final hurdle, to keep coming back again and again is just so admirable. There is something about that that's just .... its incredible. So if they won, I would absolute stand there and watch them lift it, And I don't even think id be that upset. Weve won 4 of the last 7, That doesn't quench your thirst as a fan and in such a good time for Dublin you want to pick up as much as you can watching this great group of players. But I think winning before would potentially make it that little bit easier if we were to lose.

Mayo fans on the other hand if Dublin win, I wouldn't blame most of them not having the stomach to watch Dublin lift it again and you just not get over the line.. But that said, would you guys be able to stand there watching one of the greatest teams to play the game in recent times cement their place in the history books as GAA fans ?

Personally id stay and id love if our fans did and really respected the effort Mayo have put in to get to the holy grail. Especially the Andy Morans and Keith Higgins. Id like Mayo fans to stay if we win but id totally get why they wouldn't want to If we win."
I stayed last year and did so for Donegal in 2012, doesn't make much difference though, as I won't be at the game this year.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts:1325 - 05/09/2017 16:00:12   2043036

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Baire,
just for the record, your stance that Hurling is the greatest game in the world, and far superior to football....thats just your OPINION. Nothing more. nothing less.
You have no facts or stats that can prove this, none.
Your giving an opinion, nothing more.
Its your opinion, and that is all.

It is my opinion that football is a better game and judging by the amt of people who follow both, its clear to see which is more popular nationwide. This very forum is proof positive of that. 10 football threads to every hurling one.

But, football being better is only my opinion and my opinion is no more valid than yours or anyone elses. So when I say football is better and you say hurling is better, neither or us are stating a fact, just personal opinions.

For what it's worth, for me, football is FAR superior."
What I said about hurling was that it was our 'native game'. Hurling was played in Ireland for centuries before the GAA was founded in 1884, unlike gaelic football. That's a fact, not an opinion.
It's also a fact that it's the fastest game on grass. Ice hockey would be faster but that's on ice. A critical eye and observation will demonstrate to anyone that hurling is much faster than football, soccer, rugby or any other team sport.
When dual players e.g Jimmy Barry Murphy, Teddy McCarthy, Dáithí Burke are asked about the difference between playing hurling and gaelic football they all say that hurling requires more skill, dedication, practice etc.
I did not use the term superior btw.

baire (Galway) - Posts:427 - 05/09/2017 16:26:27   2043051

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I'm more of a football man, being a Dub sees to that but if I was trying to sell a sport to a foreigner it would have to be hurling.
Definitely the more 'whoa' out of the two.
That vid on YouTube 'the fastest game on grass' has around 3m views whenbyou include the short version and the comments speak for themselves.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts:6316 - 05/09/2017 16:29:38   2043053

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I know many top class dual players ànd theý have often said that you have to be that bit fitter for a senior football match as the sliothar can travel 100 yards down the pitch in a matter of seconds.

I only kick the big ball so I can comment but that's what I have been told.

Tizcold (Galway) - Posts:180 - 05/09/2017 16:51:35   2043068

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Replying To waynoI:  "that dublin man obviously isn't a dublin fan"
Would you begrudge Mayo an All Ireland after a 61 year wait?

baire (Galway) - Posts:427 - 05/09/2017 16:56:07   2043070

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Replying To baire:  "What I said about hurling was that it was our 'native game'. Hurling was played in Ireland for centuries before the GAA was founded in 1884, unlike gaelic football. That's a fact, not an opinion.
It's also a fact that it's the fastest game on grass. Ice hockey would be faster but that's on ice. A critical eye and observation will demonstrate to anyone that hurling is much faster than football, soccer, rugby or any other team sport.
When dual players e.g Jimmy Barry Murphy, Teddy McCarthy, Dáithí Burke are asked about the difference between playing hurling and gaelic football they all say that hurling requires more skill, dedication, practice etc.
I did not use the term superior btw."
"Ice hockey would be faster but that's on ice"

Thats like something you would here in secondary school :-))

Scarabin (Dublin) - Posts:114 - 05/09/2017 17:33:40   2043097

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Replying To Scarabin:  ""Ice hockey would be faster but that's on ice"

Thats like something you would here in secondary school :-))"
Well done, I take it you've been to secondary school. You're debating skills are amazing.

baire (Galway) - Posts:427 - 05/09/2017 17:50:21   2043106

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Replying To Rockies:  "Mayo need goals to win this game.
Aidan O' Shea at full forward. Dublin full back line may be vulnerable under high ball."
Heard it all before ,what a load of rubbish, this Dublin team can cope with anything that is thrown at them.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts:1106 - 05/09/2017 18:10:08   2043115

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For what it's worth I don't get how someone who loves football doesn't love hurling too, but each to their own, I guess.

Every Dub supporter I've spoken to is absolutely convinced that they're going to beat Mayo out the gate on Sunday week. That Mayo are in for a repeat of this year's league result when our lads did take a tonking. I've experienced this level of confidence before and it's based on the idea that the Dubs are playing an entirely different game to Mayo's, where man and ball move too fast for physicality to be brought to bear. Barcelona and the Haarlem Globe Trotters combined! I wonder what will happen when one our plodders sticks a good hard shoulder on one of these footballing artists? Will the Dubs put down the easel, pick up a shovel and get stuck back in? I think we're in for game and a half on Sunday week, and the team that wants it most will take the spoils.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts:1713 - 05/09/2017 18:20:01   2043122

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Replying To waynoI:  "yea. I'd love Aidan in the ff line cause we would have the measure of him again. Philly and the lads would clean up ..."
AOS will be a dilema for Mayo. Obviously won't play him at FB. However I thought the Mayo forward line looked a lot sharper without him there. So I would go with him being in the middle with the option of throwing him up front if Hail Mary's are required. The Mayo midfield were on top against Kerry last time too so would require changing a winnning formula to fit AOS in.

The Dublin midfield is a little understated in general discussions. James Mc and BF have been excellent and should be All star contenders. This will be a great area to watch in the final.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts:331 - 05/09/2017 18:27:27   2043125

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Heard it all before ,what a load of rubbish, this Dublin team can cope with anything that is thrown at them."
This Dublin team are unbeatable, absolutely super! ;)

baire (Galway) - Posts:427 - 05/09/2017 18:45:02   2043132

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