National - Dublin v Tyrone Semi-Final

Replying To Ulsterman:  "There is definately a whiff of the 2000's Tyrone/Kerry games about this match. There is an expectant air of "Tyrone WON'T beat Dublin, Tyrone CAN'T beat Dublin, it just isn't fathomable". I'll guess Mickey Harte and Tyrone are lapping up the massive underdog label applied to them. They play their best football and put up their best performances when they are disrespected and totally written off. Mickey is the master of taking advantage of this.....his record shows it."
I can guarantee you no one in Dublin is writing Tyrone off , by that I mean those that know the game ,the team ,and Gavin , that said we don't control the media so you will hear some silly articles in the run up.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts:4470 - 11/08/2017 08:09:15   2032213

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Replying To realdub:  "Would love to have seen a game between this Dublin team at its heights/best and the Tyrone team of the noughties, I know it can only be fiction but who'd win folks? I honestly couldn't call it."
Was just thinking that and agree it would be hard to call but would be one hell of a game!

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts:922 - 11/08/2017 09:39:25   2032239

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Replying To KY4SAM2015:  "Coldrick is a decent ref in fairness but I think a Munster or Connaught ref would have been more suitable.

Dublin do seem to get a lot of Leinster refs in their big games over the last few years, maybe there is a shortage of quality refs from other provinces but that seems like a poor excuse."
I think you could be right about the lack of quality refs from other provinces at the moment. Currently Conor Lane seems to be the pick of the Munster refs in the eyes of the powers that be, but he has reffed Dublin twice already this year, if he were to get another game we would hear the mantra of Dublin getting their preferred refs all the time. Likewise Nielan seems to be the favoured option from Connaught, and has already reffed the league final. Nolan of Wicklow seems to be getting a lot of big games too, but he is also a Leinster ref.
It's quiet possible the GAA is looking at one of these 'new' referees for the final itself, given that Coldrick and Deegan have been given the semi finals, which generally would rule them out of getting the final, but outside of them there doesn't seem to be too many referees in the frame for these games, perhaps Gough, who is also a Leinster ref, or Joe McQuillan who is frequently referred to on here as Dublin Joe, so people wouldn't be happy with him either.
One thing is for sure though, anyone that thinks that a Meath referee would be inclined to do Dublin favours has absolutely no idea of the rivalry that exists between the two counties.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts:234 - 11/08/2017 10:31:47   2032261

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "There is definately a whiff of the 2000's Tyrone/Kerry games about this match. There is an expectant air of "Tyrone WON'T beat Dublin, Tyrone CAN'T beat Dublin, it just isn't fathomable". I'll guess Mickey Harte and Tyrone are lapping up the massive underdog label applied to them. They play their best football and put up their best performances when they are disrespected and totally written off. Mickey is the master of taking advantage of this.....his record shows it."
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You are the only person I've seen writing Tyrone off as 'massive underdogs'. Although Dublin are seen as favourites, Tyrone are being paid the respect they deserve, and tightly so.
No one I know from Dublin ( or anywhere else) is writing Tyrone off and it's first time during championship I'm going to Croke Park apprehensive. I still clearly remember '05 and '08
Looking forward to cracking game
A.

Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts:353 - 11/08/2017 11:35:46   2032295

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Replying To surfdude62:  "I would write Tyrone off..this is an awesome Dublin team and honestly they will deal with whatever Tyrone throw at them..The dubs are so finely tuned now and they are going to be very difficult to stop.."
Kerry men know a good team when they see one! Still Kerry beat the Dubs in the League Final a few months ago so I'm sure some Kerry supporters are hopeful of beating this awesome Dublin team if it's a Dublin v Kerry Final in September.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts:592 - 11/08/2017 11:54:08   2032311

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "There is definately a whiff of the 2000's Tyrone/Kerry games about this match. There is an expectant air of "Tyrone WON'T beat Dublin, Tyrone CAN'T beat Dublin, it just isn't fathomable". I'll guess Mickey Harte and Tyrone are lapping up the massive underdog label applied to them. They play their best football and put up their best performances when they are disrespected and totally written off. Mickey is the master of taking advantage of this.....his record shows it."
No there isn't.

Tyrone were given a good chance in all those games against Kerry so claiming that people writing Tyrone off is similar to what happened in the 00's between Tyrone and Kerry is incorrect.

Personally I consider that Tyrone team to be just a little bit ahead of that Kerry team and deservedly won all 3 games.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:1247 - 11/08/2017 12:24:24   2032327

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1. I don't think we're necessarily going in as Underdogs Dublin 4/9 and Tyrone 5/2 there's not much in it
2. Dublin's seen it all before and so have Tyrone. Teams going out and destroying everything in their path to getting beat roughly round this stage of the season.
3. Tyrone dont have the quality of forwards? I don't think we need marquee forward(s) Tyrone have racked up scores from 10 (Armagh) and 11 (Down) different players. With 2 subs coming off the bench and scoring 4 goals in less than 70mins football between them.

I see a lot of media building up Tyrone talking about how and what this team is all about it is making me quite uneasy, I use to compare Dublin to the England of Irish media back in the naughties. There was always a Hype round the Dublin team but never reached their full potential. But nowadays they are going for their 3rd All-Ireland only getting beat by Kerry in the League Final in so many years. I think whoever goes in leading at half time has the ideal situation to go on from there and frustrate opposition. Both teams are not use to down at HT and if they are forced to over commit they could get severely punished.

Find_the_space (Tyrone) - Posts:259 - 11/08/2017 14:11:26   2032367

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Replying To Find_the_space:  "1. I don't think we're necessarily going in as Underdogs Dublin 4/9 and Tyrone 5/2 there's not much in it
2. Dublin's seen it all before and so have Tyrone. Teams going out and destroying everything in their path to getting beat roughly round this stage of the season.
3. Tyrone dont have the quality of forwards? I don't think we need marquee forward(s) Tyrone have racked up scores from 10 (Armagh) and 11 (Down) different players. With 2 subs coming off the bench and scoring 4 goals in less than 70mins football between them.

I see a lot of media building up Tyrone talking about how and what this team is all about it is making me quite uneasy, I use to compare Dublin to the England of Irish media back in the naughties. There was always a Hype round the Dublin team but never reached their full potential. But nowadays they are going for their 3rd All-Ireland only getting beat by Kerry in the League Final in so many years. I think whoever goes in leading at half time has the ideal situation to go on from there and frustrate opposition. Both teams are not use to down at HT and if they are forced to over commit they could get severely punished."
Did you not see 2016 semi final Dublin v Kerry ?
Dublin were 5 pts down at half time !

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts:1021 - 11/08/2017 14:19:44   2032370

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The odds favour Dublin but I would love to see a Tyrone Mayo final - who knows, it may happen. I have nothing against either Dublin or Kerry but, as in any sport, it becomes boring if the same team(s) keep winning year after year. (Yes, I know, Dublin and Kerry fans won't be bored if their team wins)

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts:892 - 11/08/2017 16:58:27   2032418

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Huge task ahead for both Dublin & Tyrone

Honestly think Connolly's return has tipped it in our favour.

On top of MDMA and PF now fit again

Dublin are looking very balanced again with lots of options and an adaptability that Tyrone just don't have

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts:17268 - 11/08/2017 17:05:56   2032420

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Replying To uibhfhaili1986:  "No there isn't.

Tyrone were given a good chance in all those games against Kerry so claiming that people writing Tyrone off is similar to what happened in the 00's between Tyrone and Kerry is incorrect.

Personally I consider that Tyrone team to be just a little bit ahead of that Kerry team and deservedly won all 3 games."
I remember walking into the house on the Friday before the 2008 all Ireland final and the afternoon show was on. Next item on the show was all about the all Ireland. The Sam Maguire was there and the Kerry manager was interviewed. All the talk was about how many all Irelands kerry had won and how this team was one of their most formidable ones to date with the O Shea s, the Gooch and the twin towers. I was wondering what we're they going to say about Tyrone. Well she did mention them Blathnaid Ni Chofaigh said we better mention Tyrone.. I think they're the sexier of the two teams with all their lovely beards. End of the programme. Well we all know what happened that Sunday in Croke Park.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts:589 - 11/08/2017 18:56:42   2032438

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Replying To neverright:  "The odds favour Dublin but I would love to see a Tyrone Mayo final - who knows, it may happen. I have nothing against either Dublin or Kerry but, as in any sport, it becomes boring if the same team(s) keep winning year after year. (Yes, I know, Dublin and Kerry fans won't be bored if their team wins)"
Ah come on now we have only won once in 8 years, bit of a mini crisis for us at the moment unless we pull our act together very soon.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts:570 - 11/08/2017 20:52:38   2032456

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Replying To neverright:  "Maybe some of the Tyrone posters could tell us how many of the Dublin starters would, in their opinion, get into the Tyrone starting team."
Well, obviously, they'd all get in as none of our lads are as good as the Dubs, who, as we all know, are close to pipping the Kerry 70s+80s team as the best Gaelic football team of all time.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts:292 - 11/08/2017 22:02:02   2032475

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Replying To Aido69:  "UM

You are the only person I've seen writing Tyrone off as 'massive underdogs'. Although Dublin are seen as favourites, Tyrone are being paid the respect they deserve, and tightly so.
No one I know from Dublin ( or anywhere else) is writing Tyrone off and it's first time during championship I'm going to Croke Park apprehensive. I still clearly remember '05 and '08
Looking forward to cracking game
A."
I've found this thread very interesting.

I think there seems to be two predictions that it'll be either Dublin by 5-6 or it will be very tight. *Some* (mainly Dublin fans) seem very adamant that Dublin are streets ahead.

This painting Tyrone as negative is tiresome. Has anyone been watching Tyrone at all? Tyrone were very defensive in 2013 and have become less so. Last year Tyrone were stupid in being too defensive against Mayo last year, but this year they have been much more attacking. Tyrone have racked up some serious scores. Tyrone have even acknowledged that they were too defensive previously. If you were at Croke Park or any of the games this year you would see that like Dublin Tyrone defend and go forward as a team. If Armagh had 15 men in their own half, Tyrone would have 14 attacking.

I think Ulsterman made a very valid comparison between now and the Tyrone V Kerry games years ago. It's eerily similar.

I'm not sure how it will go, but I certainly think Tyrone have a good shot.

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts:1692 - 11/08/2017 22:11:46   2032476

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the Leinster's ref's performance will be critical, especially with as deadly a freetaker as Rock on hand to knock over the frees. The lad's close to a free-taking genius; your heart sinks every time you see him stepping up to take one. He's not quite as good at the long-range ones as Sheehan, but he probably gets more overall. Much depends on who wins the Kerry match. If Mayo win, the ref hopefully will be less inclined to give soft frees to Dublin. If Kerry win, as they probably will, then the pressure will be on to set up a defining match between Kerry and the Dubs and unfortunately Tyrone in that scenario will be seen as a script-spoiling nuisance to be got rid of at semi-final stage by whatever means possible. Tyrone have no friends in the South and never will have; that's just how it is.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts:292 - 11/08/2017 22:13:19   2032478

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Replying To essmac:  "Well, obviously, they'd all get in as none of our lads are as good as the Dubs, who, as we all know, are close to pipping the Kerry 70s+80s team as the best Gaelic football team of all time."
yawn

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts:1021 - 11/08/2017 22:26:10   2032480

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I don't buy this trying to wrangle a Dublin/Kerry final BS. They'll get a full house no matter who plays. They will retain interest in the relevant counties. They couldn't be stupid enough to purposely bore a neutral audience with continuous battles of the 'big 2'.
That would be counter productive on a wide scale.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts:6186 - 12/08/2017 02:39:14   2032513

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Replying To essmac:  "the Leinster's ref's performance will be critical, especially with as deadly a freetaker as Rock on hand to knock over the frees. The lad's close to a free-taking genius; your heart sinks every time you see him stepping up to take one. He's not quite as good at the long-range ones as Sheehan, but he probably gets more overall. Much depends on who wins the Kerry match. If Mayo win, the ref hopefully will be less inclined to give soft frees to Dublin. If Kerry win, as they probably will, then the pressure will be on to set up a defining match between Kerry and the Dubs and unfortunately Tyrone in that scenario will be seen as a script-spoiling nuisance to be got rid of at semi-final stage by whatever means possible. Tyrone have no friends in the South and never will have; that's just how it is."
Chip on the shoulder as per usual

mightydubs (Dublin) - Posts:24 - 12/08/2017 19:47:45   2032630

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You will never get agreement on how many Dubs would get in the Tyrone team or vice versa but i wonder how many of the current Tyrone team do supporters think would get in the 2003 side? Obviously until they win an All-Ireland the current side cant be compared to what they had 14 years ago but in terms of ability how would they shape up?

Soma (UK) - Posts:1981 - 12/08/2017 21:19:17   2032645

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Replying To mightydubs:  "Chip on the shoulder as per usual"
I think essmac is just stating facts. Dublin have the media in their back pocket and the usual negative anti Tyrone nonsense will be churned out in abundance between now and the game

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts:8707 - 12/08/2017 22:09:58   2032659

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