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The two guys whom I picked out on Thursday night (Donnelly and T McCann had great games - well done! We had leaders and great performances throughout the team and we played football reminiscent of our All-Ireland years - long kickouts - high fielding - grabbing the breaking ball - driving forward with purpose and fearless shooting!
The Tyrone players and management showed everyone else what we are capable of - we have the talent and ambition to win big games - but we have to be consistent with this level and manner of display!
P.S I can only hope Conall McCann can bounce back in the Ulster Final. Chin up Conall and keep going!
COME ON TYRONE!
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Well done to Tyrone,I hope they go on and win the All Ireland now, as for ourselves we have a lot of young lads who got a tough lesson today, but we will bounce back and we will be a lot stronger in another few years, I think we need a change of management though, I think RG isn't getting the best out of the players we have, Rory would never have got near a county team if Jim hadn't taken him in as number 2, I think it's time for some of our retired men from the 2012 team to take over.
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Replying To InishowenMan: "Just in the door and all I have to say is it was Men against boys today on the pitch and also on the sidelines.
Well done Tyrone." That was a long journey home man. I was home at 5.15.Best wishes to Donegal in the qualifiers. Tyrone had their home work done for today.
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Replying To border Gael: "That was a long journey home man. I was home at 5.15.Best wishes to Donegal in the qualifiers. Tyrone had their home work done for today." We went out for Dinner and and I had a couple of Jars to drown my sorrows near home.
Longford in the Qualifiers and could be a home game. This Team will do well in a few yrs under better quidence.
Thanks for the good wishes.
InishowenMan (Donegal) - Posts: 216 - 19/06/2017 09:33:45
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Congratulations Tyrone on a thoroughly deserved win. It was pretty even for about the first 15 minutes while Tyrone sized us up. After that though, Tyrone just seemed to up it a gear or two and we couldn't get near them. We couldn't live with the physicality and pace. Not to mention the sheer quality of some of the point taking. We needed a strong start to the second half but instead McCann waltzed in for a goal and that was definitely that.
For ourselves it really was a reality check. I was a bit worried even looking at the warm up. I know it was a very hot day and maybe the idea was to conserve energy but a lot of our drills looked a bit laboured in comparison to Tyrone's which were brisk and snappy. We do have young quality players but it will take them a year or two to fully develop physically and tactically. Yesterday was definitely a day when we missed the power of big Neil, McLoone, MacNiallaIs, Toye etc.
Longford at home now awaits. They'll be sticky opponents and should not be underestimated.
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Well done to Tyrone,I hope they go on and win the All Ireland now, as for ourselves we have a lot of young lads who got a tough lesson today, but we will bounce back and we will be a lot stronger in another few years, I think we need a change of management though, I think RG isn't getting the best out of the players we have, Rory would never have got near a county team if Jim hadn't taken him in as number 2, I think it's time for some of our retired men from the 2012 team to take over." We hear about the bitter rivalry between these 2 counties but it's great to see the sportsmanship shown by you and other Donegal fans. There's absolutely no doubt the young Donegal players will learn from this and be no doubt a force to be reckoned with in the near future.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 19/06/2017 09:48:51
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Congratulations Tyrone on a thoroughly deserved win. It was pretty even for about the first 15 minutes while Tyrone sized us up. After that though, Tyrone just seemed to up it a gear or two and we couldn't get near them. We couldn't live with the physicality and pace. Not to mention the sheer quality of some of the point taking. We needed a strong start to the second half but instead McCann waltzed in for a goal and that was definitely that.
For ourselves it really was a reality check. I was a bit worried even looking at the warm up. I know it was a very hot day and maybe the idea was to conserve energy but a lot of our drills looked a bit laboured in comparison to Tyrone's which were brisk and snappy. We do have young quality players but it will take them a year or two to fully develop physically and tactically. Yesterday was definitely a day when we missed the power of big Neil, McLoone, MacNiallaIs, Toye etc.
Longford at home now awaits. They'll be sticky opponents and should not be underestimated." I also noticed the warm ups but the thing that grabbed my attention was the comparison in the size of the players. The Tyrone men looked like Animals compared to most of our young Lad's. All big bulky or stocky filled out men as opposed to the lighter frames of our young Lad's. I know size and bulk should and does not always mean much. However coupled with their pace they just made us look exactly like I previously stated and that was Men against Boys.
InishowenMan (Donegal) - Posts: 216 - 19/06/2017 10:35:39
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Congratulations Tyrone on a thoroughly deserved win. It was pretty even for about the first 15 minutes while Tyrone sized us up. After that though, Tyrone just seemed to up it a gear or two and we couldn't get near them. We couldn't live with the physicality and pace. Not to mention the sheer quality of some of the point taking. We needed a strong start to the second half but instead McCann waltzed in for a goal and that was definitely that.
For ourselves it really was a reality check. I was a bit worried even looking at the warm up. I know it was a very hot day and maybe the idea was to conserve energy but a lot of our drills looked a bit laboured in comparison to Tyrone's which were brisk and snappy. We do have young quality players but it will take them a year or two to fully develop physically and tactically. Yesterday was definitely a day when we missed the power of big Neil, McLoone, MacNiallaIs, Toye etc.
Longford at home now awaits. They'll be sticky opponents and should not be underestimated." Very good points about the warm ups and something I noted myself but forgot to mention. I actually always pay close attention to them and going on yesterday there was only going to be one winner. Tyrone's drill were slick and well organised with clear clarity. Donegal's looked a bit of a shambles really. I cast my mind back to the 2014 Ulster final and I remember watching both sides warm up and knew it was always going to be Donegal's day.
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well done tyrone
that was awesome stuff
the movement off the ball the passing
and the point taking
but I must say colm Cavanagh display of fielding was a joy to see
its one of the great skills of our game
the mark has been a great help in bringing this skill back
rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 19/06/2017 11:34:37
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Replying To InishowenMan: "I also noticed the warm ups but the thing that grabbed my attention was the comparison in the size of the players. The Tyrone men looked like Animals compared to most of our young Lad's. All big bulky or stocky filled out men as opposed to the lighter frames of our young Lad's. I know size and bulk should and does not always mean much. However coupled with their pace they just made us look exactly like I previously stated and that was Men against Boys." The two teams lined up for the parade in front of me, the difference in the physical conditioning of both teams was stark, it was hard to see how Donegal were ever going to be able to compete in the physical stakes.
Not trying to put the boot in and time will tell, but are some of these young Donegal players being seriously over rated before they have proved themselves at senior level? I held back before on asking this question over the past couple of months as I hadn't seen enough of them playing live, but although they won a few provincial underage titles they didn't cut the mustard at All-Ireland level.
Time may well show that they are as good as being talked off but I think it will take a change of management to bring the best out of them, too many good players not in the Donegal squad at minute for whatever reason i.e likes of McLoone & MacNaillais
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The reason those players aren't playing county football is because of RG, I don't know a single Donegal supporter that wants RG to continue as manager.
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Replying To benched: "The two teams lined up for the parade in front of me, the difference in the physical conditioning of both teams was stark, it was hard to see how Donegal were ever going to be able to compete in the physical stakes.
Not trying to put the boot in and time will tell, but are some of these young Donegal players being seriously over rated before they have proved themselves at senior level? I held back before on asking this question over the past couple of months as I hadn't seen enough of them playing live, but although they won a few provincial underage titles they didn't cut the mustard at All-Ireland level.
Time may well show that they are as good as being talked off but I think it will take a change of management to bring the best out of them, too many good players not in the Donegal squad at minute for whatever reason i.e likes of McLoone & MacNaillais" Yeah good points. I have no doubt about the talent coming through but most of them are a few years off getting to the physical level required at senior level. The thing is most supporters were calling for some of these players to be introduced over the last couple of years but the management showed no desire to do so then all of a sudden changes tack and all are introduced on mass. I would not be too critical of this years U-21's who really did not get dealt a fair deal not helped by RG at all. The Dubs were a really good team and beat Galway in the final in similar fashion to what they beat Donegal. But one thing is true is that Donegal are drilled to play one way and that is it. Those underage teams you mentioned required to play off the cuff or do something different in games outside of Ulster but did not know how as slaves to the same system. I actually thought Jason McGee had a good opening 20 mins yesterday yet got taken off though maybe this was an injury. Someone like Jamie Brennan is clearly a year or 2 off in terms of physical conditioning and really should be coming off the bench if anything.
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Replying To benched: "The two teams lined up for the parade in front of me, the difference in the physical conditioning of both teams was stark, it was hard to see how Donegal were ever going to be able to compete in the physical stakes.
Not trying to put the boot in and time will tell, but are some of these young Donegal players being seriously over rated before they have proved themselves at senior level? I held back before on asking this question over the past couple of months as I hadn't seen enough of them playing live, but although they won a few provincial underage titles they didn't cut the mustard at All-Ireland level.
Time may well show that they are as good as being talked off but I think it will take a change of management to bring the best out of them, too many good players not in the Donegal squad at minute for whatever reason i.e likes of McLoone & MacNaillais" Yeah good points. I have no doubt about the talent coming through but most of them are a few years off getting to the physical level required at senior level. The thing is most supporters were calling for some of these players to be introduced over the last couple of years but the management showed no desire to do so then all of a sudden changes tack and all are introduced on mass. I would not be too critical of this years U-21's who really did not get dealt a fair deal not helped by RG at all. The Dubs were a really good team and beat Galway in the final in similar fashion to what they beat Donegal. But one thing is true is that Donegal are drilled to play one way and that is it. Those underage teams you mentioned required to play off the cuff or do something different in games outside of Ulster but did not know how as slaves to the same system. I actually thought Jason McGee had a good opening 20 mins yesterday yet got taken off though maybe this was an injury. Someone like Jamie Brennan is clearly a year or 2 off in terms of physical conditioning and really should be coming off the bench if anything.
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galway were in a similar stage to Donegal a few years ago
the young players were horsed out of it v mayo
and we took some big beatings from mayo
but 3 years later the galway lads are putting in the hits
and able to beat mayo now
rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 19/06/2017 13:41:52
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Yeah like most sports these things tend to be cyclical. Sean Cavanagh even alluded to it in his post match interview. In the period 2012-2016 Donegal had players like Neil Gallagher, Eamon McGee, Ryan Bradley, Leo McLoone etc who were imposing physically and bullied Tyrone to an extent.
That wheel has turned now. We don't have so many of these physically dominant type of players anymore.
Unless you are naturally big (like Murphy was when he first came on the scene) then it can take some years to get up to the level that's now required. Look at Mattie Donnelly in Tyrone. He always was a good footballer but the difference between where he's at now and where he was when he first came on the scene in terms of power is like night and day. He's an absolute beast now. But he can also cover the ground well. Couple those things with the obvious natural footballing ability and you have a serious player. That's the kind of work our young, talented footballers need to put in now over the next 12-18 months.
In an ideal world you'd like to imagine that fitness and footballing ability would be enough. Not so in the modern game if you want to be dining at the top table.
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Yeah like most sports these things tend to be cyclical. Sean Cavanagh even alluded to it in his post match interview. In the period 2012-2016 Donegal had players like Neil Gallagher, Eamon McGee, Ryan Bradley, Leo McLoone etc who were imposing physically and bullied Tyrone to an extent.
That wheel has turned now. We don't have so many of these physically dominant type of players anymore.
Unless you are naturally big (like Murphy was when he first came on the scene) then it can take some years to get up to the level that's now required. Look at Mattie Donnelly in Tyrone. He always was a good footballer but the difference between where he's at now and where he was when he first came on the scene in terms of power is like night and day. He's an absolute beast now. But he can also cover the ground well. Couple those things with the obvious natural footballing ability and you have a serious player. That's the kind of work our young, talented footballers need to put in now over the next 12-18 months.
In an ideal world you'd like to imagine that fitness and footballing ability would be enough. Not so in the modern game if you want to be dining at the top table." Spot on.! The Game has evolved and you need them attributes. An extra few Spuds at dinner time is what some of these young Lad's need lol.
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Replying To benched: "The two teams lined up for the parade in front of me, the difference in the physical conditioning of both teams was stark, it was hard to see how Donegal were ever going to be able to compete in the physical stakes.
Not trying to put the boot in and time will tell, but are some of these young Donegal players being seriously over rated before they have proved themselves at senior level? I held back before on asking this question over the past couple of months as I hadn't seen enough of them playing live, but although they won a few provincial underage titles they didn't cut the mustard at All-Ireland level.
Time may well show that they are as good as being talked off but I think it will take a change of management to bring the best out of them, too many good players not in the Donegal squad at minute for whatever reason i.e likes of McLoone & MacNaillais" Very good point about our under age lads. they are good but how good are they?
We won a couple of provincials at u21 and minors. We were runners up in a couple of others. We were minor finalists and well beaten that day by kerry.
Compare this to Tyrone, who won the u21 all ireland competition 2 years ago outright and there is hardly a whisper about them. That is the way to have it btw.
I think that we in donegal lose the run of ourselves very regularly when there is promise on the horizon. I also feel that Rory Gallagher has a horrible job in getting a new young team going, as opposed to keeping the old lads who would not be able for it. No win scenario there.
Having said that, I believe that we could have 2 very good players playing this year if he put his personal differences aside and focused on our best team.
Make no mistake, Tyrone are a very well wintered team and deserve to push on now and challenge for the All Ireland. I know it is very early in the year to talk about all irelands, my fear for them would be that they could peak too early, but the way they won yesterday would suggest that they won pulling up so there will be no danger of that happening.
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Replying To Donegalman: "Very good point about our under age lads. they are good but how good are they?
We won a couple of provincials at u21 and minors. We were runners up in a couple of others. We were minor finalists and well beaten that day by kerry.
Compare this to Tyrone, who won the u21 all ireland competition 2 years ago outright and there is hardly a whisper about them. That is the way to have it btw.
I think that we in donegal lose the run of ourselves very regularly when there is promise on the horizon. I also feel that Rory Gallagher has a horrible job in getting a new young team going, as opposed to keeping the old lads who would not be able for it. No win scenario there.
Having said that, I believe that we could have 2 very good players playing this year if he put his personal differences aside and focused on our best team.
Make no mistake, Tyrone are a very well wintered team and deserve to push on now and challenge for the All Ireland. I know it is very early in the year to talk about all irelands, my fear for them would be that they could peak too early, but the way they won yesterday would suggest that they won pulling up so there will be no danger of that happening." Good point. Potential is just that. Potential. Until it is proven in senior championship football.
Cavan have had great potential for the last 5 years now and don't look like they're ever going to push on.
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Here's a quote from a Donegal Fan on this forum after the Antrim game
Let's be honest - the gulf between the Division 1 teams and the rest is vast, particularly with regard to Div 3 and 4 teams. The format is so lopsided it's almost farcical. But, then you had the Carlow manager on the Sunday Game last night insisting the small teams should remain part of the race for Sam Maguire.
Donegal fans are not feeling quite so arrogant now I bet. "There's an old saying which is "You better be nice to others on the way up in case you meet them on the way back down again."
Donegal's (limited) success was based on a great manager (McGuiness) and one great player (Murphy). Without these exceptional individuals Donegal are certainly no better than the other also rans, as yesterday proved.
In truth Tyrone should have won by far more, easing up with 20 minutes to go and emptying their entire bench. You won't , however, hear them disrespecting the beaten opposition.
See you in the new "B" championship.
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Replying To spiritof1991: "Here's a quote from a Donegal Fan on this forum after the Antrim game
Let's be honest - the gulf between the Division 1 teams and the rest is vast, particularly with regard to Div 3 and 4 teams. The format is so lopsided it's almost farcical. But, then you had the Carlow manager on the Sunday Game last night insisting the small teams should remain part of the race for Sam Maguire.
Donegal fans are not feeling quite so arrogant now I bet. "There's an old saying which is "You better be nice to others on the way up in case you meet them on the way back down again."
Donegal's (limited) success was based on a great manager (McGuiness) and one great player (Murphy). Without these exceptional individuals Donegal are certainly no better than the other also rans, as yesterday proved.
In truth Tyrone should have won by far more, easing up with 20 minutes to go and emptying their entire bench. You won't , however, hear them disrespecting the beaten opposition.
See you in the new "B" championship." That was from me if I remember rightly.
The gap between Div 1 and Div's 3 & 4 is vast. Results & statistics will back that up.
So one manager & Michael Murphy won the All Ireland? If my memory serves me well we also had the footballer of the year that year, the championship's top scorer & 8 All Stars. So stop talking nonsense.
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