National - Does GAA get fair coverage compared to soccer and rugby

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "[quote=gotmilk:  "[quote=ormondbannerman:  "alano -just to let you know a small bit of my background -just to show that i am pro gaa and rugby. i played club level hurling football and rugby (wasnt any good -but loved playing) i coach kids in all 3 sports now as well as soccer, love doing it great fun) go to lots of club gaa and rugby games and follow the county teams (tend to get to most matches in all grade- which in the last two weeks was a bit of a penance (inters,minors,21s seniors lost in hurling and seniors in football -was at them all, still sick, ,also follow young munster in ail home/away and munster in thomond/cork and once a year do an away trip. if i come accross people wrongly criticising gaa i pull them up on it. Rugby got plenty to learn from gaa as well e.g. facilities, promotion of games , pricing, even small stuff like letting kids have puck about on the pitch
so to be honest while i am a rugby fan and cheerleader im the same when it comes to hurling and football - i just really dont see this anti gaa bias rte is supposed to have
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:461 - 19/07/2016 14:52:19
will ask here but moderators move to another thread if you feel its necessary
Janesboro. How do you propose Rugby learn from GAA in terms of facilities. At top level by and large rugby stadiums are better than the GAAs. At club level many gaa clubs have very good facilities but same can be said for rugby clubs/
Letting kids on pitch just isn't feasible and that only is stopped at pro level games,
Promotion of games in Rugby is actually very good.
Ticket prices for kids are very good for 90% of big rugby games.
Kids tickets for the November games against Canada New Zealand Australia are €5, €15 and €10 respectively.
For Munster v Maori All Blacks kids tickets are €20 Cat A, €10 Cat B/C, €7 Tce. That is super value."
For 20 Euro I would want the kid to be taking part in the game. That's scandalous money for a kids ticket, especially as it's not even a competitive game. Where is a category A seat?"]How is €20 scandalous money?
Maoris have never played in Ireland before and are one of the most historic/strongest teams in the world.
€20 is very good value to see such a game"]It's still a friendly, it's a ridiculous cost. It's not even the strongest New Zealand team either.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:4468 - 19/07/2016 20:20:27   1886633

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It's still a friendly, it's a ridiculous cost. It's not even the strongest New Zealand team either.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3221 - 19/07/2016 20:20:27
Its not a national New Zealand team its a representative team of a different sort to a national team and yes its a friendly game but that doesn't mean its a ridiculous cost of entry!
What you call a fairer/more equal/better ticket price?
Those prices are very good value for a game against NZ Maori

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:13103 - 19/07/2016 21:25:32   1886663

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Replying To gotmilk:  "[quote=ormondbannerman:  "[quote=gotmilk:  "[quote=ormondbannerman:  "alano -just to let you know a small bit of my background -just to show that i am pro gaa and rugby. i played club level hurling football and rugby (wasnt any good -but loved playing) i coach kids in all 3 sports now as well as soccer, love doing it great fun) go to lots of club gaa and rugby games and follow the county teams (tend to get to most matches in all grade- which in the last two weeks was a bit of a penance (inters,minors,21s seniors lost in hurling and seniors in football -was at them all, still sick, ,also follow young munster in ail home/away and munster in thomond/cork and once a year do an away trip. if i come accross people wrongly criticising gaa i pull them up on it. Rugby got plenty to learn from gaa as well e.g. facilities, promotion of games , pricing, even small stuff like letting kids have puck about on the pitch
so to be honest while i am a rugby fan and cheerleader im the same when it comes to hurling and football - i just really dont see this anti gaa bias rte is supposed to have
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:461 - 19/07/2016 14:52:19
will ask here but moderators move to another thread if you feel its necessary
Janesboro. How do you propose Rugby learn from GAA in terms of facilities. At top level by and large rugby stadiums are better than the GAAs. At club level many gaa clubs have very good facilities but same can be said for rugby clubs/
Letting kids on pitch just isn't feasible and that only is stopped at pro level games,
Promotion of games in Rugby is actually very good.
Ticket prices for kids are very good for 90% of big rugby games.
Kids tickets for the November games against Canada New Zealand Australia are €5, €15 and €10 respectively.
For Munster v Maori All Blacks kids tickets are €20 Cat A, €10 Cat B/C, €7 Tce. That is super value."
For 20 Euro I would want the kid to be taking part in the game. That's scandalous money for a kids ticket, especially as it's not even a competitive game. Where is a category A seat?"]How is €20 scandalous money?
Maoris have never played in Ireland before and are one of the most historic/strongest teams in the world.
€20 is very good value to see such a game"]It's still a friendly, it's a ridiculous cost. It's not even the strongest New Zealand team either."]pr gotmilk..yet more pr..i think the irfu can handle doing their own press without somebody on a forum trying to do it for them

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:1983 - 19/07/2016 21:27:08   1886665

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GOtmilk - think €20 for stand ticket for a kid is too much myself Ill bring my lads to the terrace and tell them its the proper all blacks- keep them happy, we will even get a HAka. CAT is middle third of the stand i.e. second tier -terrace is first tier, The Maoris and new zealands second squad, but like dublins or kilkennys second squad there will be lots of quality players on show , believe it will be competitive it wont be a friendly

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:1502 - 20/07/2016 00:27:09   1886768

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So they did one positive feature? That's it? What other contrary facts are there as presented by others?
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3056 - 19/07/2016 13:12:09   1886241 


Probably none as they are nearly all presented by me. no to be fair the geansai programme was positive -watch it on the player youll like it,, thanks gaa its friday and the championship were positive as was the majority of the coverage on the radio was positive, the coverage of your brilliant win v monaghan on the sunday game was good too. Thought martin kielys commentary on rte radio for clare v sligo was very passionate. hope ye can build on monaghan victory, only heard it when i got to car in thurles after our games v cork and clare cheered me up , and after 2 defeats that day and intermediates few days before i needed the cheering up

Im not saying its all positive - merely saying rte show gaa in a positive light as well as negative and giving some examples of the positive stuff.

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:1502 - 20/07/2016 00:32:28   1886770

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bumpernut there are numerous childish posts in reply to mediaman throughout it

and there are numerous derogatory and factually incorrect posts about rugby too. You even resorted to name calling yourself, there no need for the name calling

by they way i did manage to make it to belfast for the football qualifier went up day before - great city to visit belfast - even nicer when you get a rare win

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:1502 - 20/07/2016 00:37:05   1886771

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Alano
no there is regular examples of negativity both on radio and on tv..especially on the sunday game,


yes there is but there and regular examples of positivity on radio and on tv as well especially on the sunday game , every great bit of gaa skill from jimmy barry murphy in thurles to nicky english kicked goal, ciaran carey v clare, dj shefflin, lohan,carter , maurice fitz sean kavanagh , pat spillane
has been shown and correctly commended on that same sunday game

as i say above its not all positive - but it aint all negative either

.why do you feel so strongly in defence of rugby then if you are not pro rugby?..

i shall repeat my previous post.--
yes i am pro rugby but i am also pro gaa. Is this ok with you , can you accept somebody may like hurling football and rugby and indeed other sports--janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:461 - 19/07/2016 14:31:19  

to be honest i am pro all sports love watching rugby league nfl and even canadian football among others - think all sports are good - keeps us fit and sane (though following limerick can drive you insane) and its good fun, i just dont see why some posters feel the need to be derogatory about other sports and their fans -

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:1502 - 20/07/2016 00:40:13   1886773

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Janesboro. How do you propose Rugby learn from GAA in terms of facilities. At top level by and large rugby stadiums are better than the GAAs.

In responding i shall stick to what i know , - at club level gaa stadia are generally better in that more of them have covered terraces eg in limerick bruff, kilmallock, caherconlish, newcastlewest, kilteely, cappamore all have covered areas, compared to AIL rugby none of the limerick clubs do Bruff have a small covered area and sticking to what i know - the only AIL 1a clubs that have covered areas are cork con, ucd and clontarf (second pitch only) , some other clubs do but most dont. Its costly i know. I go to miltown malbay regularly and they have a super facility there you probably know that place. I know other non 1a clubs have covered areas eg buccs, ucc, clonmel , just feel its and area that can be improved on in rugby.


Letting kids on pitch just isn't feasible and that only is stopped at pro level games, 
- i know but in fairness its brilliant for the kids (and me) to go out in fine stadiums like thurles and gaelic grounds, both cusack parks and puck around. Would inspire you to play the game and thats when the stadium is empty so can only imagine what like when full. DO it if you get a chance thurles especially is inspiring , Assume its a no no in croke park - but sadly dont get there so often to find out.

From my own experience In terms of promotion at club level the GAA is a bit better in getting the kids involved at an early age playing rugby can improve on that.

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:1502 - 20/07/2016 00:45:22   1886774

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Replying To janesboro:  "GOtmilk - think €20 for stand ticket for a kid is too much myself Ill bring my lads to the terrace and tell them its the proper all blacks- keep them happy, we will even get a HAka. CAT is middle third of the stand i.e. second tier -terrace is first tier, The Maoris and new zealands second squad, but like dublins or kilkennys second squad there will be lots of quality players on show , believe it will be competitive it wont be a friendly"
I thought the NZ Maori team can not have any players playing who don't have Maori roots? So it wouldn't be correct to call it the second team for the All-Blacks as many of the best players in NZ don't qualify to play? And Munster themselves won't have any of their best players as they should be away on international duty. Call it a friendly, a challenge, a test or whatever you wish but the reality is its a fundraiser for an organisation with huge debts due largely to paying unsustainable wages and getting poor attendances - ironic considering the abuse some English rugby clubs get on this forum. Perhaps reviewing ticket prices might improve attendances?

Soma (UK) - Posts:2022 - 20/07/2016 08:29:43   1886792

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It's still a friendly, it's a ridiculous cost. It's not even the strongest New Zealand team either."]pr gotmilk..yet more pr..i think the irfu can handle doing their own press without somebody on a forum trying to do it for them
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:250 - 19/07/2016 21:27:08
Its not simply PR. To call it that is completely ignorant. Munster have a proud tradition of facing touring international rugby sides going back to 1905 when they faced Dave Gallagher(Ramelton Donegal originallys) All Blacks side. This game continues that tradition.

GOtmilk - think €20 for stand ticket for a kid is too much myself Ill bring my lads to the terrace and tell them its the proper all blacks- keep them happy, we will even get a HAka. CAT is middle third of the stand i.e. second tier -terrace is first tier, The Maoris and new zealands second squad, but like dublins or kilkennys second squad there will be lots of quality players on show , believe it will be competitive it wont be a friendly
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:466 - 20/07/2016 00:27:09
I think you are out of your mind if you think €20 is too expensive for a kids ticket for this game. Its one of the top teams in the world. One that rarely plays in this part of the world thesedays and I wouldn't tell ye're kids theyre the proper all blacks. That is doing both the maori side and the full new Zealand side a disservice.
And the Maoris are not strictly New Zealands second squad.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:13103 - 20/07/2016 11:18:41   1886880

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Very balanced and fair posts as always janesboro but you have your work cut out convincing Zippy, George and Bungle that the truth lies somewhere in the middle of their biased views. Agree that €20 is very expensive for a kids ticket, they are pricing their future supporters out of the game.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts:4368 - 20/07/2016 12:26:16   1886922

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ormond
Janesboro. How do you propose Rugby learn from GAA in terms of facilities. At top level by and large rugby stadiums are better than the GAAs.
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:466 - 20/07/2016 00:45:22
In responding i shall stick to what i know , - at club level gaa stadia are generally better in that more of them have covered terraces eg in limerick bruff, kilmallock, caherconlish, newcastlewest, kilteely, cappamore all have covered areas, compared to AIL rugby none of the limerick clubs do Bruff have a small covered area and sticking to what i know - the only AIL 1a clubs that have covered areas are cork con, ucd and clontarf (second pitch only) , some other clubs do but most dont. Its costly i know. I go to miltown malbay regularly and they have a super facility there you probably know that place. I know other non 1a clubs have covered areas eg buccs, ucc, clonmel , just feel its and area that can be improved on in rugby.
Again most rugby grounds are as good as GAA grounds. My own club has covered stand. A club house with 4 dressing rooms, bar, hall/function area. Separate gym facility. Many other clubs are the same. Garryowen/Young Munster don't have covered stand but do have their club house/club bar over looking the pitch which more than makes up for a covered area outside.
Same with most other clubs

ormond
Letting kids on pitch just isn't feasible and that only is stopped at pro level games, - i know but in fairness its brilliant for the kids (and me) to go out in fine stadiums like thurles and gaelic grounds, both cusack parks and puck around. Would inspire you to play the game and thats when the stadium is empty so can only imagine what like when full. DO it if you get a chance thurles especially is inspiring , Assume its a no no in croke park - but sadly dont get there so often to find out.
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:466 - 20/07/2016 00:45:22
From my own experience In terms of promotion at club level the GAA is a bit better in getting the kids involved at an early age playing rugby can improve on that.
I totally disagree on GAA being better at getting kids involved at an early age. When you say involved at an early age what exactly do you mean.
It may be fantastic for you to go onto a pitch but at a big game it isn't the right time or moment to do so. If you really want to go on a pitch arrange to do it at another time

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:13103 - 20/07/2016 12:30:20   1886924

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Very balanced and fair posts as always janesboro but you have your work cut out convincing Zippy, George and Bungle that the truth lies somewhere in the middle of their biased views. Agree that €20 is very expensive for a kids ticket, they are pricing their future supporters out of the game.
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts:4137 - 20/07/2016 12:26:16
Its a one off game. Maori side have never played in Thomond before and its quite unlikely they will ever again. €20 is very well priced for such a game. Considering from this season going if you purchase a season ticket for Munster you can bring 2 kids for free to all pro12 games bar Leinster. That is very good
That isn't pricing future supporters out of the game

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:13103 - 20/07/2016 12:34:52   1886929

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Replying To janesboro:  "Alano
no there is regular examples of negativity both on radio and on tv..especially on the sunday game,


yes there is but there and regular examples of positivity on radio and on tv as well especially on the sunday game , every great bit of gaa skill from jimmy barry murphy in thurles to nicky english kicked goal, ciaran carey v clare, dj shefflin, lohan,carter , maurice fitz sean kavanagh , pat spillane
has been shown and correctly commended on that same sunday game

as i say above its not all positive - but it aint all negative either

.why do you feel so strongly in defence of rugby then if you are not pro rugby?..

i shall repeat my previous post.--
yes i am pro rugby but i am also pro gaa. Is this ok with you , can you accept somebody may like hurling football and rugby and indeed other sports--janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:461 - 19/07/2016 14:31:19  

to be honest i am pro all sports love watching rugby league nfl and even canadian football among others - think all sports are good - keeps us fit and sane (though following limerick can drive you insane) and its good fun, i just dont see why some posters feel the need to be derogatory about other sports and their fans -"
im a lover of all sports but people here are only attempting to defend rte as they feel rugby is threatened somehow...i like rugby but i dont think theres much doubt that it gets better treatment overall

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:1983 - 20/07/2016 14:15:30   1887007

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Very balanced and fair posts as always janesboro but you have your work cut out convincing Zippy, George and Bungle that the truth lies somewhere in the middle of their biased views. Agree that €20 is very expensive for a kids ticket, they are pricing their future supporters out of the game.
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts:4137 - 20/07/2016 12:26:16
Its a one off game. Maori side have never played in Thomond before and its quite unlikely they will ever again. €20 is very well priced for such a game. Considering from this season going if you purchase a season ticket for Munster you can bring 2 kids for free to all pro12 games bar Leinster. That is very good
That isn't pricing future supporters out of the game"
The kids free with the exception of Leinster game is an excellent move and I must commend Munster on that. I still think 20 euro for a kids ticket for a side that is made up of people from one side of the community is steep. Dress it up whatever way you want but it's not the strongest side possible.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:4468 - 20/07/2016 14:21:00   1887015

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The kids free with the exception of Leinster game is an excellent move and I must commend Munster on that. I still think 20 euro for a kids ticket for a side that is made up of people from one side of the community is steep. Dress it up whatever way you want but it's not the strongest side possible.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3229 - 20/07/2016 14:21:00
What then is a more equitable price?
Hundreds of kids tickets are free for every single munster game. Clubs and schools receive free tickets for every game without exception on a rota basis.
20 is far from excessive when you compare it to a lot of other entertainment that is on offer.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:13103 - 20/07/2016 14:28:10   1887022

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The journalists who work on the nation's most viewed daily News and Sport programme RTE's 6.01 News and Sport make choices about what to show and what questions to ask every day of the week. For example at yesterday's Press Conference Diarmuid Connolly could have been asked about how good if felt to be on only the third team in the 126 year history of the Leinster SFC to win 6 in-a-row football titles (Wexford 1913-1918 and Dublin 1974-1979 were the others). Or he could have been asked to express his delight at Dublin's continuing defensive strength despite the loss of Rory O'Carroll, Jack Mc Caffrey and now James McCarthy. Instead the journalists in RTE decided to ignore the positives and concentrate on the negative i.e. his yellow card against Westmeath. Yellow mind you. Not black or red just yellow.

Of course this selective bias presents our games in a negative light and is in keeping with the general tone of negativity (on RTE's most important TV news programme) evident throughout the summer. All too often it's a case of either negative coverage or no coverage at all. The really worrying thing about it is that these same journalists are fully aware of this thread but continue to ignore what it's telling them.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts:355 - 20/07/2016 14:46:04   1887050

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "The kids free with the exception of Leinster game is an excellent move and I must commend Munster on that. I still think 20 euro for a kids ticket for a side that is made up of people from one side of the community is steep. Dress it up whatever way you want but it's not the strongest side possible.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3229 - 20/07/2016 14:21:00
What then is a more equitable price?
Hundreds of kids tickets are free for every single munster game. Clubs and schools receive free tickets for every game without exception on a rota basis.
20 is far from excessive when you compare it to a lot of other entertainment that is on offer."
For a challenge game I would say a fiver max.

You keep mentioning this other entertainment but what is it?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:4468 - 20/07/2016 15:12:39   1887073

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "Very balanced and fair posts as always janesboro but you have your work cut out convincing Zippy, George and Bungle that the truth lies somewhere in the middle of their biased views. Agree that €20 is very expensive for a kids ticket, they are pricing their future supporters out of the game."
Yes sir, no sir, uncle tom

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts:1764 - 20/07/2016 15:55:26   1887112

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For a challenge game I would say a fiver max.
You keep mentioning this other entertainment but what is it?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3232 - 20/07/2016 15:12:39
I disagree with your use of the term challenge game as while yes it is a friendly it is more than that and its a unique and different opportunity for fans and players alike. Its something unique. I don't know yet but there is bound to be multiple other events in line with the Maori squads visit.
Yes sir, no sir, uncle tom
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts:1340 - 20/07/2016 15:55:26
And your point is?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:13103 - 20/07/2016 16:05:20   1887124

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