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Replying To The_analyser: "IF the worst (from our perspective) were to happen you won't find me hiding away and il congratulate our neighbours.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts:8451 - 25/07/2017 20:54:45
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Good to hear and if the worst does happen and Mayo do lose try not to come home via Cloonfad this time ;)" Cloonfad is full of Dubs it would most likely have been them that lit the bonfires what do we care about yer yearly tear fest.
OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1764 - 25/07/2017 22:58:18
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whow there's some amount of bitterness and anger on here, we have 4 potentially great games to look forward to at the weekend, i hope to be going to all 4 myself. im looking forward to seeing all the neighbour's in and around croke park on sunday, so let's all just look forward to the game's (you can't beat that butterfly feeling you get in your tummy everytime you think of the match and what might be) and hope we see some great football played by all the team's
glasagusdhearg (Mayo) - Posts: 55 - 25/07/2017 23:03:26
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Mayo will beat them well..this is croke park 'a quarter final forget about mayos last few games. mayo wont flute about here..mayo by +7 minimum.
GGdub (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 25/07/2017 23:10:21
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Three Connacht teams all playing in Croke Park on the same day; tremendous achievement considering the disparate spread of resources and under-population/migration issues the province faces.
I'll enjoy the day come what may.
For what it's worth I think Mayo will prove too much for Roscommon by 3 points or so.
festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 25/07/2017 23:32:54
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It is amusing though the Roscommon people laugh at Mayos All Ireland final record...ye haven't won a championship game in Croke Park in 37 years...I wasant even born then. Are ye sure there is no curse out her way too?
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 26/07/2017 08:00:19
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Looking forward to the game on Sunday. At half time, during extra time last week in Limerick, I did not think Mayo would be here. Cork had the momentum but just could not finish Mayo off. Without any doubt, the Mayo management made the substitutions too early, when Mayo went 6 points up, thinking the game was over and allowed Cork back into the match.
As for Roscommon, they are worthy Connacht champions and a very young team. McStay has done a fantastic job with them and he will definitely had something up his sleeve to expose the Mayo defence. The Mayo FB line is struggling and K Higgins as sweeper is not working. However, the positive for Mayo is the accuracy of the forwards last week. I hope that this will continue on Sunday.
One last thing is it is great to see three Connacht counties at the QF stage. No longer is the province a one-team competition as you can see Roscommon, Mayo and Galway winning titles over the next ten years.
Giveitago (Mayo) - Posts: 86 - 26/07/2017 08:14:40
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Replying To OverBlackSpot: "Ah yes the same Oisin McConville that talked about how great Armagh's forward line was before Down beat them handy? Whatever he says is pure Gospel, why don't we all just listen to him from now on" The same Oisin McConville who has a stack of All-Ireland medals and was one of the best forwards in Ireland in his day? Will probably accept his word over yours.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2017 10:09:00
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Replying To Gleebo: "Ah, the "Cillian does nothing from play" shtick again.
Let's review Cillian's performances in the championship over the past few years. To my recollection, he has goaled from play against Donegal, Dublin, Kerry, Galway, all of whom are viewed as All-Ireland contenders. He also scored two of the finest points of the championship season against Tyrone and Dublin (drawn game) last season, and scored two beautiful points off his weaker foot against Cork last weekend.
People see what they want to see when it comes down to him, probably because he gets involved in too many unnecessary incidents around the field.
But don't take my word for it, read Oisín McConville's take on him here: https://www.balls.ie/gaa/cillian-oconnor-369954"
Ah yes the same Oisin McConville that talked about how great Armagh's forward line was before Down beat them handy? Whatever he says is pure Gospel, why don't we all just listen to him from now on
OverBlackSpot (Roscommon) - Posts:7 - 25/07/2017 21:38:25 2023495
As a complete neutral observer, I think that Cillian O' Connor is pound for pound one of the best forwards in the game. The lazy analysts including Kerry's finest (3 O' Shea's and Spillane) always throw the lack of a "marquee forward" jibe at Mayo. How can Cillian or Andy Moran not be classified as marquee forwards. Both players are exceptionally good off both feet and make a mockery of most backs who attempt to mark them. Last weekend, I was extremely impressed by Cillian's six points from play off both feet. He will never be bullied off the ball because he is just too physically strong. He is also probably the best tackling forward in the game and never makes it easy on defenders coming out with the ball. His stats from placed balls are also highly impressive and are probably only second to Dean Rock. Back in 2014, I was particularly impressed with him in Limerick and I have no doubt that they would have beaten us if he didn't clash heads with Aidan O' Shea. I firmly believe that Mayo will win this with a bit to spare as they are a different animal in Croke Park. Big Aidan is playing out of his skin and I think that he will easily bore holes in that Roscommon defence. Very impressed with Jason Doherty last week too who is often unheralded. He must have dispossessed the Cork defence on at least four or five occasions and his work rate off the ball is exemplary. I would be worried about the Mayo full back however as he looks that he is short of match practice due to injury. Mayo might have to shore up this area by dropping somebody like Barry Moran or Seamus O' Shea as cover. Mayo by 6/7 points
kingdomfan (Kerry) - Posts: 393 - 26/07/2017 10:54:35
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Few observations on Mayo in lead up to Rossie...
- I expect mayo to win with relative comfort. Mayo have far too much physicality and croke park experience to lose this one. Can see mayo winning by 7+ though I fancy roscommon to put up a decent score
- looking further down the line Mayos fullback and sweeper issues will definitely cost them versus kerry. Cafferkeys position at fb is untenable, has been roasted in every game this year and destroyed by donaghy in the past. While there are no obvious alternatives I would go with Coen at fb versus Kerry
- might seem like sacrilege to say it but Keith Higgins position must be under serious threat too. He is fine joining up with attack etc but his defending has regressed dramatically this season. On numerous Cork scores where he was supposed to be sweeper he ended up being drawn out after the ball. Kev mcloughlin was just getting used to the sweeping role last year. I would push him back as sweeper as he has the intelligence for it
- Loftus simply must start. Mayo have been going to the well now with the exact same forward line since 2011. They need someone new, an unpredictable wildcard like Loftus. Teams like Dublin and Mayo will be well ready for AOS/COC/Andy as they have played them in pretty much every game over the years. A Loftus gives them something different and new to think about
- remove all sentiment. Guys like Alan Dillon, great servant that he is should no longer be getting game time ahead of guys like Boland, Loftus kirby etc. Demoralising for youngsters if good form doesn't get rewarded
- AOS has noticeably improved this year, As dick clerkin suggested, this is because he seems to focusing on doing the simple things well and playing for the team. I see the usual talk of him as 'player of the year' has started, i would hold off on any of this talk til he produces a performance against a division 1 side. He still hasnt produced the goods against any of the top teams in Croker.
HuddHastings (Longford) - Posts: 144 - 26/07/2017 14:16:25
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War and joking aside are the mayo fans organising any sort of minute round of applause for missing mayo underage player David Gavin at the match Sunday I'm sure between this forum and other forums something could be organised.
OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1764 - 26/07/2017 14:27:22
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Replying To yew_tree: "It is amusing though the Roscommon people laugh at Mayos All Ireland final record...ye haven't won a championship game in Croke Park in 37 years...I wasant even born then. Are ye sure there is no curse out her way too?" It is amusing though the Roscommon people laugh at Mayos All Ireland final record...ye haven't won a championship game in Croke Park in 37 years...I wasant even born then. Are ye sure there is no curse out her way too?
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts:8459 - 26/07/2017 08:00:19
You are easily amused, are we all painted with the same brush and was your attitude compounded with your Cloonfad experience last October? We hadn't beaten Galway in Salthill since the 70s and it didn't prey on our players minds as we won by 9 points. Mayo a much bigger pick and size than Roscommon went from 1951 to 1989 without winning a championship game in Croke park that is 38 years and Mayo were damn lucky to get past Roscommon in both Connacht finals in 89.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3745 - 26/07/2017 14:34:09
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Replying To HuddHastings: "Few observations on Mayo in lead up to Rossie...
- I expect mayo to win with relative comfort. Mayo have far too much physicality and croke park experience to lose this one. Can see mayo winning by 7+ though I fancy roscommon to put up a decent score
- looking further down the line Mayos fullback and sweeper issues will definitely cost them versus kerry. Cafferkeys position at fb is untenable, has been roasted in every game this year and destroyed by donaghy in the past. While there are no obvious alternatives I would go with Coen at fb versus Kerry
- might seem like sacrilege to say it but Keith Higgins position must be under serious threat too. He is fine joining up with attack etc but his defending has regressed dramatically this season. On numerous Cork scores where he was supposed to be sweeper he ended up being drawn out after the ball. Kev mcloughlin was just getting used to the sweeping role last year. I would push him back as sweeper as he has the intelligence for it
- Loftus simply must start. Mayo have been going to the well now with the exact same forward line since 2011. They need someone new, an unpredictable wildcard like Loftus. Teams like Dublin and Mayo will be well ready for AOS/COC/Andy as they have played them in pretty much every game over the years. A Loftus gives them something different and new to think about
- remove all sentiment. Guys like Alan Dillon, great servant that he is should no longer be getting game time ahead of guys like Boland, Loftus kirby etc. Demoralising for youngsters if good form doesn't get rewarded
- AOS has noticeably improved this year, As dick clerkin suggested, this is because he seems to focusing on doing the simple things well and playing for the team. I see the usual talk of him as 'player of the year' has started, i would hold off on any of this talk til he produces a performance against a division 1 side. He still hasnt produced the goods against any of the top teams in Croker." Intelligent post
offtheboat (USA) - Posts: 57 - 26/07/2017 14:50:37
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Replying To The_analyser: "It is amusing though the Roscommon people laugh at Mayos All Ireland final record...ye haven't won a championship game in Croke Park in 37 years...I wasant even born then. Are ye sure there is no curse out her way too?
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts:8459 - 26/07/2017 08:00:19
You are easily amused, are we all painted with the same brush and was your attitude compounded with your Cloonfad experience last October? We hadn't beaten Galway in Salthill since the 70s and it didn't prey on our players minds as we won by 9 points. Mayo a much bigger pick and size than Roscommon went from 1951 to 1989 without winning a championship game in Croke park that is 38 years and Mayo were damn lucky to get past Roscommon in both Connacht finals in 89." Il add Ballinlough to that list but hey the Motorway will soon be open thankfully. I can't comment on pre 1989 as I was not old to remember pre 1996. Mayo have got their act together since then though. You wanna talk luck in 89....well we have plenty of hard luck stories ourselves but fact is the better team on the day more often than not wins.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 26/07/2017 15:12:15
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Mayo beat Div 3 Tipp by only 5 points last year and that was game where Mayo got two goals against the run of play and the 2nd goal was a fluke. Roscommon have been a Div one team the last two years they come into this game having beaten the Connacht champions of 2016 on their home patch by 9 points.
The only way Roscommon will get beaten well this weekend is for their minds not to be on their jobs and allowing the Croke park occasion get to them.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3338 - 26/07/2017 15:40:50
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This game has draw written all over it, best to both teams, wonder where will the replay be?
suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1667 - 26/07/2017 15:59:12
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Replying To yew_tree: "Il add Ballinlough to that list but hey the Motorway will soon be open thankfully. I can't comment on pre 1989 as I was not old to remember pre 1996. Mayo have got their act together since then though. You wanna talk luck in 89....well we have plenty of hard luck stories ourselves but fact is the better team on the day more often than not wins." You simply aren't old enough to talk history so. Ballinlough is a sleepy scenic village and has loads of Mayo people living it in, didn't know it will have a motorway built beside it? as along as you know with all that heartbreak you had your sure fair share of luck that fine but I'd wonder how many lives is left on this Mayo aging cat?
ispeakwisdom (Roscommon) - Posts: 2487 - 26/07/2017 16:29:45
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "Mayo beat Div 3 Tipp by only 5 points last year and that was game where Mayo got two goals against the run of play and the 2nd goal was a fluke. Roscommon have been a Div one team the last two years they come into this game having beaten the Connacht champions of 2016 on their home patch by 9 points.
The only way Roscommon will get beaten well this weekend is for their minds not to be on their jobs and allowing the Croke park occasion get to them." Why pick out last years semi final as a stand alone example. Mayo may well have needed a couple of lucky goals to see off Tipperary but a few short weeks later it took a couple of equally lucky goals for the best team in the land to hold out against the same Mayo team. Maybe you could reference the Clare game last year and how Roscommon fared against them for a bit of balance. We will know by six o clock on Sunday if Mayo have regressed as much as some people seem to think and if Roscommon are the new force in the west. What did or didn't happen last year will have little relevance once the ball is thrown in.
Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 26/07/2017 16:47:44
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Replying To ispeakwisdom: "You simply aren't old enough to talk history so. Ballinlough is a sleepy scenic village and has loads of Mayo people living it in, didn't know it will have a motorway built beside it? as along as you know with all that heartbreak you had your sure fair share of luck that fine but I'd wonder how many lives is left on this Mayo aging cat?" Loads of Mayo people living in Ballinlough?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 26/07/2017 17:27:16
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Replying To Cuckoosinging: "Please learn how to spell Roscommon. There's only one s." nobody really cares. This is a gaa forum not the national spelling bee :-)
hawkeye65 (Galway) - Posts: 61 - 26/07/2017 17:41:19
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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes: "Why pick out last years semi final as a stand alone example. Mayo may well have needed a couple of lucky goals to see off Tipperary but a few short weeks later it took a couple of equally lucky goals for the best team in the land to hold out against the same Mayo team. Maybe you could reference the Clare game last year and how Roscommon fared against them for a bit of balance. We will know by six o clock on Sunday if Mayo have regressed as much as some people seem to think and if Roscommon are the new force in the west. What did or didn't happen last year will have little relevance once the ball is thrown in." Roscommon have a big turn over of players since last year and McStay has become their outright manager less relevance about them but its more or less the same Mayo team with the same management. Tipp a stand alone example because some here are writing off Roscommon based purely on Mayos Croke park experience and how they always play well there and never have any problems against "lesser" teams.
I don't think beating a Roscommon team 4/1 with some bookies will tell you much about Mayo but the word regression will be used plentiful if Mayo lose on Sunday.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3338 - 26/07/2017 18:25:05
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