This topic has been closed. No further posting is allowed.
|
That's like failing to understand why more people want to see the Stone Roses live than Bob from down the road who can play a couple of chords when he's had a few.
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts:1121 - 16/06/2016 12:41:33 1867650
good point and very funnily put
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 16/06/2016 13:31:14
1867672
Link
1
|
|
I am surprised at the nature of some discussion re Mediamans highlighting of bias in RTE. He gives the facts relating to the Six One Sports, while it seems to me the counter argument involves some playing the man and not the stats. Using words like rant whinging paranoid etc are not helpful
Given the RTE bias I was not surprised to see no mention of the Mayo v Galway clash in Castlebar today on the Six One news Sports section yesterday. It is a rivalry going back over 100 years and a keenly contested event but ignored by the RTE Six One news.
There are many county matches on this weekend and while soccer has to dominate given that the Euros are in full flow it is a very important time in the GAA calendar too.
Gaelic matches on this weekend (excluding U18) Football Mayo v Galway Tyrone v Cavan; Leitrim v Waterford ; Hurling Offaly v Galway Derry v Antrim Down v Armagh and Tipp v Limerick.
There was a complete blackout on football coverage with football getting only one mention. Surprise surprise it was a negative one (on Monday) that of the incident at the end of the Westmeath match on last Sunday.
Hurling fared slightly better with a Marty review of Limerick V Tipp (Friday)
Soccer (5) as expected got extensive cover every day up to three different items in some broadcasts.
Rugby (5) got mentioned every day (the senior team and the U20)
Horseracing (3) mentions plus racing video
Golf (2) mentions
Athletics 1
Hurling 1
Football 1
This is the heart of the GAA season (May to Sept). If GAA is not going to be covered now when will it what hope is there from Oct to March. and The Six One News has deemed it acceptable not to have any football match preview., ignoring the high profile matches some drawing significant support from the paying public. There was only one hurling match preview. While rugby gets covered every day on a week in the middle of June and that's not bias? How can any reasonable sports fan argue otherwise?
RTE is funded by all licence payers but is being used to further the interests of a minority. Were it not for the likes of Hogan Stand to voice these concerns the GAA would be at the mercy of main stream media propanganda.
mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 18/06/2016 12:58:02
1868453
Link
3
|
|
There is some good news for the GAA, internationally it is doing well. Clubs in most major World cities now. Croke park is a World H.Q as distinct from the Euro Hq of Rugby and the Home nations one of Football in Dublin.
The recent Allianz league final involving Dublin and Kerry was good. Tied into the 1916 commemorations and got a big crowd- so well done there.
As I have said previously the future of GAA lies , imo, the Gaelic side of culture. As hubs tied into our language, dancing and music. The GAA club is a centre for Gaelic culture. Unlike Rugby with it's New Zealand and Welsh origins, and Soccer with it's English. slán
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 18/06/2016 14:19:32
1868460
Link
0
|
|
This is the heart of the GAA season (May to Sept). If GAA is not going to be covered now when will it what hope is there from Oct to March. and The Six One News has deemed it acceptable not to have any football match preview., ignoring the high profile matches some drawing significant support from the paying public. There was only one hurling match preview. While rugby gets covered every day on a week in the middle of June and that's not bias? How can any reasonable sports fan argue otherwise?
RTE is funded by all licence payers but is being used to further the interests of a minority. Were it not for the likes of Hogan Stand to voice these concerns the GAA would be at the mercy of main stream media propanganda.
mod (Mayo) - Posts:833 - 18/06/2016 12:58:02 Rugby will get a lot of coverage as its pro and there will be stories every day and much more stories created as players are training more/available more for media work. It isn't bias its simple facts of covering pro sport compared to an amateur sport.
If you want change then do something about it as hoganstand and simply posting here wont make change occur.
There is some good news for the GAA, internationally it is doing well. Clubs in most major World cities now. Croke park is a World H.Q as distinct from the Euro Hq of Rugby and the Home nations one of Football in Dublin.
The recent Allianz league final involving Dublin and Kerry was good. Tied into the 1916 commemorations and got a big crowd- so well done there.
As I have said previously the future of GAA lies , imo, the Gaelic side of culture. As hubs tied into our language, dancing and music. The GAA club is a centre for Gaelic culture. Unlike Rugby with it's New Zealand and Welsh origins, and Soccer with it's English. slán
galwayford (Galway) - Posts:600 - 18/06/2016 14:19:32 Rugby has its origins in England but some of the oldest clubs in the world are Irish. Rugby is world wide compared to gaelic so don't be deluded in trying to say its bigger or imply anything around that area
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 18/06/2016 21:59:01
1868627
Link
1
|
|
Spot on, Mod.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 19/06/2016 12:57:32
1868810
Link
0
|
|
Getting back on topic, GAA is shown live and has a highlights programme by RTE.
Domestic provincial rugby is shown in a bits of a highlights programme on a Monday evening.
A bit of an effort is made for some live domestic soccer action and there's a highlights programme late on a Monday night.
The coverage of the GAA national leagues are even covered better than rugby and soccer.
Very fair coverage in that context is definitely being provided.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7818 - 19/06/2016 16:05:33
1868898
Link
3
|
|
Where is the statistic to definitively show that the majority of RTE listeners and viewers are exclusively only interested in GAA watching or news and not interested in other watching or news on other sports?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 19/06/2016 16:25:44
1868911
Link
2
|
|
Replying To legendzxix: "Getting back on topic, GAA is shown live and has a highlights programme by RTE.
Domestic provincial rugby is shown in a bits of a highlights programme on a Monday evening.
A bit of an effort is made for some live domestic soccer action and there's a highlights programme late on a Monday night.
The coverage of the GAA national leagues are even covered better than rugby and soccer.
Very fair coverage in that context is definitely being provided." Yeh, for me I think this is the key point. It feels like we aren't seeing the wood for the trees.
Why would the six one news be the basis for determining whether RTE is providing the GAA with fair coverage.
RTE are showing in the region of 30 live games this summer. They will have full camera crews at these matches plus then small crews at most of the other matches to be shown on the highlights program.
I'd love to know how much of RTE's sports budget goes to GAA. My feeling would be that it is much larger than what is being spent on Rugby or Soccer.
One thing I think this thread does highlight is that there does seem to be a disproportionate number of negative stories about the GAA. That isn't really on.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4203 - 19/06/2016 21:42:16
1869188
Link
3
|
|
Replying To Whammo86: "Yeh, for me I think this is the key point. It feels like we aren't seeing the wood for the trees.
Why would the six one news be the basis for determining whether RTE is providing the GAA with fair coverage.
RTE are showing in the region of 30 live games this summer. They will have full camera crews at these matches plus then small crews at most of the other matches to be shown on the highlights program.
I'd love to know how much of RTE's sports budget goes to GAA. My feeling would be that it is much larger than what is being spent on Rugby or Soccer.
One thing I think this thread does highlight is that there does seem to be a disproportionate number of negative stories about the GAA. That isn't really on." The sport section on RTE News is where all main sports should be presented in an equal & fair-minded manner. That's not happening at present. Are we not entitled to highlight that & discuss the possible reasons for it?
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 20/06/2016 19:16:58
1869862
Link
0
|
|
Replying To ormondbannerman: "This is the heart of the GAA season (May to Sept). If GAA is not going to be covered now when will it what hope is there from Oct to March. and The Six One News has deemed it acceptable not to have any football match preview., ignoring the high profile matches some drawing significant support from the paying public. There was only one hurling match preview. While rugby gets covered every day on a week in the middle of June and that's not bias? How can any reasonable sports fan argue otherwise?
RTE is funded by all licence payers but is being used to further the interests of a minority. Were it not for the likes of Hogan Stand to voice these concerns the GAA would be at the mercy of main stream media propanganda.
mod (Mayo) - Posts:833 - 18/06/2016 12:58:02 Rugby will get a lot of coverage as its pro and there will be stories every day and much more stories created as players are training more/available more for media work. It isn't bias its simple facts of covering pro sport compared to an amateur sport.
If you want change then do something about it as hoganstand and simply posting here wont make change occur.
There is some good news for the GAA, internationally it is doing well. Clubs in most major World cities now. Croke park is a World H.Q as distinct from the Euro Hq of Rugby and the Home nations one of Football in Dublin.
The recent Allianz league final involving Dublin and Kerry was good. Tied into the 1916 commemorations and got a big crowd- so well done there.
As I have said previously the future of GAA lies , imo, the Gaelic side of culture. As hubs tied into our language, dancing and music. The GAA club is a centre for Gaelic culture. Unlike Rugby with it's New Zealand and Welsh origins, and Soccer with it's English. slán
galwayford (Galway) - Posts:600 - 18/06/2016 14:19:32 Rugby has its origins in England but some of the oldest clubs in the world are Irish. Rugby is world wide compared to gaelic so don't be deluded in trying to say its bigger or imply anything around that area" Once again we have one of the two defenders of all things rugby belittling other posters. I dont care how much either of these attackers of our native games protest about all the work they do in limerick or clare or how they love gaa. Both take pleasure in putting down others who defend the gaa. That puts them within/rather than the pale. This is a gaa forum. Take your love of rugby elsewhere please.
sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 20/06/2016 19:46:17
1869879
Link
0
|
|
Replying To keeper7: "The sport section on RTE News is where all main sports should be presented in an equal & fair-minded manner. That's not happening at present. Are we not entitled to highlight that & discuss the possible reasons for it?" You're definitely entitled to discuss it.
If you were to ever point out to someone in RTE that they're not covering GAA enough because it isn't adequately represented on the six one. They will tell you, catch yourself on. We have about 6 hours of GAA coverage a week on here and you're complaining about the sports segment of the six one news. A segment that only totals roughly 30 hours every year.
RTE have a sports budget. They will have money set a side for different games. They're probably under representing GAA in other programming because they are already spending a tonne of money on it.
This sort of entitled attitude has other sports resent us. GAA isn't universally well regarded. Other sports complain about us having a charmed status in Irish sport at the expense of their chosen pursuit. When we go complaining about not having enough coverage of our games on TV and ignore the footage RTE provide on a weekly basis during the championship it doesn't help our image to the outside world.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4203 - 20/06/2016 19:55:57
1869884
Link
2
|
|
Sceptical
Once again we have one of the two defenders of all things rugby belittling other posters.
Once again my post championship defeat depression is lighted (a little) by scepticals factually incorrect postings. I note on the Cavan v Tyrone thread he does not post which is interesting.
I dont care how much either of these attackers of our native games protest about all the work they do in limerick or clare or how they love gaa. Both take pleasure in putting down others who defend the gaa.
Please give one example of where I have attacked GAA
Please give one example of where I have put down others who defend GAA.
I have criticised your posts because they are anti rugby- they are certainly not defending GAA, i criticise the anti rugby posts not pro gaa ones.
That puts them within/rather than the pale.
What does this mean. You need to check your postings before you submit
This is a gaa forum. Take your love of rugby elsewhere please.
This is a GAA forum Take your rugby hatred elsewhere please
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 20/06/2016 21:01:48
1869913
Link
0
|
|
Replying To janesboro: "Sceptical
Once again we have one of the two defenders of all things rugby belittling other posters.
Once again my post championship defeat depression is lighted (a little) by scepticals factually incorrect postings. I note on the Cavan v Tyrone thread he does not post which is interesting.
I dont care how much either of these attackers of our native games protest about all the work they do in limerick or clare or how they love gaa. Both take pleasure in putting down others who defend the gaa.
Please give one example of where I have attacked GAA
Please give one example of where I have put down others who defend GAA.
I have criticised your posts because they are anti rugby- they are certainly not defending GAA, i criticise the anti rugby posts not pro gaa ones.
That puts them within/rather than the pale.
What does this mean. You need to check your postings before you submit
This is a gaa forum. Take your love of rugby elsewhere please.
This is a GAA forum Take your rugby hatred elsewhere please" Ok I have to admit that many of my posts on rugby are merely to get a reaction from people like you so thanks for continuing to bite for all this time. Don't get me wrong I still believe rugby is for social climbing snobs and I couldn't care less if Ireland never won another game but my primary reason for commenting here was winding the eggballers up. Hope your still as amused as before.
sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 21/06/2016 09:23:20
1870017
Link
0
|
|
still amused sceptical old pal - sad thing is judging by what i saw last sunday i will be in need for more of your comedy in next few weeks - felt like a ten point defeat when you factor in bubbles getting sent off and tom morrissey late goal --- at least our inter team won and got to have puck around on pitch with kids after game - ---- thurles surface was amazing-if i win the lotto im getting thurles groundsman to do my lawn
as for this all the rugby fans are snobs etc... nonsense -go a club game and you will see for yourself
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 21/06/2016 10:15:17
1870042
Link
0
|
|
Whammo86,
You're definitely entitled to discuss it.
Thanks! That's what we've been doing...
If you were to ever point out to someone in RTE that they're not covering GAA enough because it isn't adequately represented on the six one. They will tell you, catch yourself on. We have about 6 hours of GAA coverage a week on here and you're complaining about the sports segment of the six one news. A segment that only totals roughly 30 hours every year.
I didn't say they weren't covering enough GAA. The Six One News & Sport is primetime TV with many families watching it, often around the dinner table, impressionable youngsters etc. If, comparatively, they constantly present GAA in a bad light (or not at all) then it's degrading & downplaying Gaelic Games in the eyes of the general public.
RTE have a sports budget. They will have money set a side for different games. They're probably under representing GAA in other programming because they are already spending a tonne of money on it.
Budget doesn't even come into it in this instance if it's only 30 hours a year, as you say.
This sort of entitled attitude has other sports resent us. GAA isn't universally well regarded. Other sports complain about us having a charmed status in Irish sport at the expense of their chosen pursuit. When we go complaining about not having enough coverage of our games on TV and ignore the footage RTE provide on a weekly basis during the championship it doesn't help our image to the outside world.
Looking for fair play is not the same as having an entitled attitude. Why should we feel inferior about our own sports?
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 21/06/2016 14:41:22
1870245
Link
1
|
|
Replying To keeper7: "Whammo86,
You're definitely entitled to discuss it.
Thanks! That's what we've been doing...
If you were to ever point out to someone in RTE that they're not covering GAA enough because it isn't adequately represented on the six one. They will tell you, catch yourself on. We have about 6 hours of GAA coverage a week on here and you're complaining about the sports segment of the six one news. A segment that only totals roughly 30 hours every year.
I didn't say they weren't covering enough GAA. The Six One News & Sport is primetime TV with many families watching it, often around the dinner table, impressionable youngsters etc. If, comparatively, they constantly present GAA in a bad light (or not at all) then it's degrading & downplaying Gaelic Games in the eyes of the general public.
RTE have a sports budget. They will have money set a side for different games. They're probably under representing GAA in other programming because they are already spending a tonne of money on it.
Budget doesn't even come into it in this instance if it's only 30 hours a year, as you say.
This sort of entitled attitude has other sports resent us. GAA isn't universally well regarded. Other sports complain about us having a charmed status in Irish sport at the expense of their chosen pursuit. When we go complaining about not having enough coverage of our games on TV and ignore the footage RTE provide on a weekly basis during the championship it doesn't help our image to the outside world.
Looking for fair play is not the same as having an entitled attitude. Why should we feel inferior about our own sports?" Regarding the question why is the GAA under represented on the six one I give the possible reason as being maybe RTE use the bulk of their GAA budget providing coverage of the games themselves. I think that is quite a reasonable possible reason.
Budget is important in practically every aspect of life.
GAA is still represented on the six one just not as much as Soccer or Rugby. It may be that if we want more GAA on the news we may have to forego some of the live action we currently enjoy. I think that'd be terrible.
The attitude of some of the posters on this thread in my opinion is horrible.
A number of people are coming across as quite intolerant of any opinion that contradicts their own. That hardly allows for a constructive debate.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4203 - 21/06/2016 20:40:26
1870453
Link
2
|
|
Whammo when rte news show only the halftime pushing between players from an excellent Armagh/Cavan league game it's not due to budget. They also found the budget to cover the broken nose incident after the recent Westmeath/ Offaly game the following evening. I'd be insure if rte spend more on gaa than other sports as the broadcasting rights are likely to be substantially cheaper than for international sports.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 21/06/2016 21:49:12
1870500
Link
1
|
|
Replying To Soma: "Whammo when rte news show only the halftime pushing between players from an excellent Armagh/Cavan league game it's not due to budget. They also found the budget to cover the broken nose incident after the recent Westmeath/ Offaly game the following evening. I'd be insure if rte spend more on gaa than other sports as the broadcasting rights are likely to be substantially cheaper than for international sports." One thing I think this thread does highlight is that there does seem to be a disproportionate number of negative stories about the GAA. That isn't really on.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:392 - 19/06/2016 21:42:16 1869188
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4203 - 21/06/2016 22:02:45
1870508
Link
1
|
|
Replying To Soma: "Whammo when rte news show only the halftime pushing between players from an excellent Armagh/Cavan league game it's not due to budget. They also found the budget to cover the broken nose incident after the recent Westmeath/ Offaly game the following evening. I'd be insure if rte spend more on gaa than other sports as the broadcasting rights are likely to be substantially cheaper than for international sports." It's not the cost of the rights that I was thinking about really.
It's the cost of providing the actual footage I'm talking about. Camera crews and the like. I'm not an expert on it but I'd imagine those are pretty significant costs.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4203 - 21/06/2016 22:09:09
1870512
Link
0
|
|
Whammo when rte news show only the halftime pushing between players from an excellent Armagh/Cavan league game it's not due to budget.--Soma (UK) - Posts:1493 - 21/06/2016 21:49:12
Hello soma - to be fair they did a good report of the dublin game immediately before they showing the handbags (and thats all it was) from the armagh game, wasnt even newsworthy the bit they showed, but they gave more time and better effort to dublin game
thank gaa its friday is back this friday evening and at 10pm on friday night on radio one they do a good championship show. Radio na gaeltachta on sat evening had camogie game between galway and tipp.
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 21/06/2016 23:02:40
1870537
Link
0
|