National - Division 2 2017

Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "Would have to fancy Meath to go up with 4 home games and Clare not being one of them (no offence to Clare who have a tough draw). Who joins them, the Galway v Cork game first up could have a big say on that. Dark horses could be Fermanagh"
Id agree with that, Meath dont usually get 4 home games, 6 points is what is needed from them and I think that's realistic, gotmilk will faint when je reads this but I am wary of Fermanagh in navan.
Also Clare away on last day could be win and go up, if we were to get something in newry then its a cert we would be promoted. Look not a ball kicked yet so all anyone can do is speculate , however we have the ability in majority of players, (the first half performances over last number of years proved this) but the second halves were a disaster. Mental toughness is andys biggest challenge. Sort that and 6 points from home games should set us up for a interesting run in

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:10663 - 19/01/2017 12:31:58   1946946

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I'll quote Andy McEntee. "my priority is to get promotion to div 1, that's where you have to be to be at business end come championship, it will not be easy but I am confident we can achieve promotion".
So pardon me for reiterating our brilliant new managers own words, I have faith in Andy, even if the mod apologists dont (ahh sure he was a passionate Meath man)
If its not achieved then so be it, but I ain't going to bloody right us off before a ball is kicked. Especially when we finished 3rd out of past 3 years despite the obvious problem!!! . You too bloody right I have faith in a qualified decent manager. And until it is mathematically impossible I will have faith ."
Fair enough Andy, best of luck in league

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts:1188 - 19/01/2017 12:55:42   1946958

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "Would have to fancy Meath to go up with 4 home games and Clare not being one of them (no offence to Clare who have a tough draw). Who joins them, the Galway v Cork game first up could have a big say on that. Dark horses could be Fermanagh"
I don't see Fermanagh are darkhorses at all.I see them as a serious contender for top 2.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:7419 - 19/01/2017 13:05:22   1946961

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "I don't see Fermanagh are darkhorses at all.I see them as a serious contender for top 2."
6/1

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts:457 - 19/01/2017 13:23:11   1946969

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "6/1"
Paddy Power doesn't agree.The following are the prices for promotion.

Cork
4/6
Galway
5/4
Meath
7/4
Kildare
9/4
Down
7/2
Derry
7/2
Fermanagh
6/1
Clare
7/1

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts:2625 - 19/01/2017 14:42:08   1946992

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Betting as follows (outright)
Cork 7/4
Galway 7/2
Meath 4/1
Kildare 6/1
Derry 10/1
Down 12/1
Fermanagh 16/1
Clare 20/1..

By looks of it bookies have already decided its cork up with either Meath Galway too, outside chance of Kildare.
Relegation is Clare with Fermanagh and Down vying to stay up.
I'll be honest, I dont think cork as certs as bookies would believe, also if Meath weren't in division id be waging a few pound on Fermanagh at those prices.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:10663 - 19/01/2017 14:46:35   1946995

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Outright Betting
Cork
7/4
Galway
3/1
Meath
9/2
Kildare
5/1
Down
10/1
Derry
10/1
Fermanagh
16/1
Clare
20/1

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts:2625 - 19/01/2017 14:50:28   1946998

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Id agree with that, Meath dont usually get 4 home games, 6 points is what is needed from them and I think that's realistic, gotmilk will faint when je reads this but I am wary of Fermanagh in navan.
Also Clare away on last day could be win and go up, if we were to get something in newry then its a cert we would be promoted. Look not a ball kicked yet so all anyone can do is speculate , however we have the ability in majority of players, (the first half performances over last number of years proved this) but the second halves were a disaster. Mental toughness is andys biggest challenge. Sort that and 6 points from home games should set us up for a interesting run in"
Well that's us set for Division 3 next year, I think you might have put the blight on us. Lol

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:4101 - 19/01/2017 15:17:01   1947013

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "Outright Betting
Cork
7/4
Galway
3/1
Meath
9/2
Kildare
5/1
Down
10/1
Derry
10/1
Fermanagh
16/1
Clare
20/1"
Fermanagh at 16/1 could well be worth a flutter...

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:7419 - 19/01/2017 15:17:01   1947014

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Betting as follows (outright)
Cork 7/4
Galway 7/2
Meath 4/1
Kildare 6/1
Derry 10/1
Down 12/1
Fermanagh 16/1
Clare 20/1..

By looks of it bookies have already decided its cork up with either Meath Galway too, outside chance of Kildare.
Relegation is Clare with Fermanagh and Down vying to stay up.
I'll be honest, I dont think cork as certs as bookies would believe, also if Meath weren't in division id be waging a few pound on Fermanagh at those prices."
Yeah to be fair the bookies are going for counties with the most betting.You would expect more people from Cork,Galway,Meath,Kildare to put bets on than Fermanagh,Clare for example.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:7419 - 19/01/2017 15:18:58   1947017

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "Outright Betting
Cork
7/4
Galway
3/1
Meath
9/2
Kildare
5/1
Down
10/1
Derry
10/1
Fermanagh
16/1
Clare
20/1"
Slight differences between, paddy power and Ladbrokes

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:10663 - 19/01/2017 15:39:52   1947021

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Meath are outrageous value there considering they are absolute certainties for promotion. Wish I had a mortgage to put on them.

Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:10988 - 19/01/2017 15:40:57   1947022

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Meath are outrageous value there considering they are absolute certainties for promotion. Wish I had a mortgage to put on them."
They are, now ok not as certs as Cavan for relegation, but still !!!!!

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:10663 - 19/01/2017 15:51:59   1947029

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Betting as follows (outright)
Cork 7/4
Galway 7/2
Meath 4/1
Kildare 6/1
Derry 10/1
Down 12/1
Fermanagh 16/1
Clare 20/1..

By looks of it bookies have already decided its cork up with either Meath Galway too, outside chance of Kildare.
Relegation is Clare with Fermanagh and Down vying to stay up.
I'll be honest, I dont think cork as certs as bookies would believe, also if Meath weren't in division id be waging a few pound on Fermanagh at those prices."
Yeah to be fair the bookies are going for counties with the most betting.You would expect more people from Cork,Galway,Meath,Kildare to put bets on.

But if you look at each team logically,it is difficult to make a case against Galway and Cork for promotion.Kevin Walsh is a good manager who is in his third season with Galway.He has developed a style with them,and they have a young side gaining confidence.They are Connacht Champions afterall.Next step is dv1 and their fans should rightly expect to get there this season.
Cork could beat Galway by 10 points and lose to Clare,but at the same time they have the best squad of players in this division.One problem could be 3 managers in 4 years.But I think they have the players to get up.
Fermanagh for me are the most likely to upset these two.They have the best manager in the division and possibly the best in the land.This is also Pete's third year in charge and they were a bit unlucky against Mayo in the championnship last year(dodgy pen flattered Mayo),they work their socks off have some good forwards and Corrigan is a good free-taker,Quigley is the type of full forward that I like.
Andy McEntee is a very good manager,but this will be his first year with Meath.He is taking over a team that are low on confidence and mentally fragile.It will be a year of trying to build foundations,I expect him to do that,but it may be too soon to expect promotion.
Derry actually beat Meath last year after another Meath collapse,but they went on to beat Cavan and lose a cracker(narrowly) to Tipperary who had a great season.So Derry could be the real darkhorses here.Difficult to know were they are actually at,but I wouldn't see them getting relegated.At the very least they will be safe.
I would put Kildare in a similar boat.They are coming up and promotion may be too much to ask.But this is O'Neill's second season in charge and you need to see progress now.Can he develop the young talent that is there?
I don't really see Clare being the whipping boys by any means and will relish playing most of these sides.But they may just find it a little too difficult.Will need more than two wins to stay up and I just don't see them doing that,but they wil be very competitive in most games and will beat somebody.
It is strange to suggest that a team relegated from dv1 only last year to be relegated again(although Westmeath are experts with this!) but Down are in dissarray imo.To think that only 7 years ago they narrowly lost an All-Ireland final.But they have lost an awful lot of players for varies reasons recently.I would be surprised if they escape the drop.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:7419 - 19/01/2017 15:57:03   1947035

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "Yeah to be fair the bookies are going for counties with the most betting.You would expect more people from Cork,Galway,Meath,Kildare to put bets on.

But if you look at each team logically,it is difficult to make a case against Galway and Cork for promotion.Kevin Walsh is a good manager who is in his third season with Galway.He has developed a style with them,and they have a young side gaining confidence.They are Connacht Champions afterall.Next step is dv1 and their fans should rightly expect to get there this season.
Cork could beat Galway by 10 points and lose to Clare,but at the same time they have the best squad of players in this division.One problem could be 3 managers in 4 years.But I think they have the players to get up.
Fermanagh for me are the most likely to upset these two.They have the best manager in the division and possibly the best in the land.This is also Pete's third year in charge and they were a bit unlucky against Mayo in the championnship last year(dodgy pen flattered Mayo),they work their socks off have some good forwards and Corrigan is a good free-taker,Quigley is the type of full forward that I like.
Andy McEntee is a very good manager,but this will be his first year with Meath.He is taking over a team that are low on confidence and mentally fragile.It will be a year of trying to build foundations,I expect him to do that,but it may be too soon to expect promotion.
Derry actually beat Meath last year after another Meath collapse,but they went on to beat Cavan and lose a cracker(narrowly) to Tipperary who had a great season.So Derry could be the real darkhorses here.Difficult to know were they are actually at,but I wouldn't see them getting relegated.At the very least they will be safe.
I would put Kildare in a similar boat.They are coming up and promotion may be too much to ask.But this is O'Neill's second season in charge and you need to see progress now.Can he develop the young talent that is there?
I don't really see Clare being the whipping boys by any means and will relish playing most of these sides.But they may just find it a little too difficult.Will need more than two wins to stay up and I just don't see them doing that,but they wil be very competitive in most games and will beat somebody.
It is strange to suggest that a team relegated from dv1 only last year to be relegated again(although Westmeath are experts with this!) but Down are in dissarray imo.To think that only 7 years ago they narrowly lost an All-Ireland final.But they have lost an awful lot of players for varies reasons recently.I would be surprised if they escape the drop."
Good analysis of the teams there ziggy.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts:2625 - 19/01/2017 16:11:26   1947040

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Replying To royaldunne:  "They are, now ok not as certs as Cavan for relegation, but still !!!!!"
Excellent banter. You stand to make vast fortunes with your predictions royaldunne.

Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:10988 - 19/01/2017 16:11:50   1947041

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "Paddy Power doesn't agree.The following are the prices for promotion.

Cork
4/6
Galway
5/4
Meath
7/4
Kildare
9/4
Down
7/2
Derry
7/2
Fermanagh
6/1
Clare
7/1"
Think you picked me up wrong there, was talking about Fermanagh's promotion odds (top 2) which is 6/1 as you referenced

The reason why I think they are good value is that no other team in this division (and indeed some of the ones in Div 1) have risen to the level they did in the championship recently. I know the league is not the championship but they seem to be out early this year. As RD suggests 6 points will go a long way in what is a very tight looking division

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts:457 - 19/01/2017 16:32:31   1947052

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "Think you picked me up wrong there, was talking about Fermanagh's promotion odds (top 2) which is 6/1 as you referenced

The reason why I think they are good value is that no other team in this division (and indeed some of the ones in Div 1) have risen to the level they did in the championship recently. I know the league is not the championship but they seem to be out early this year. As RD suggests 6 points will go a long way in what is a very tight looking division"
apologies I did attribute that quote to you when afterwards I realised that it was originally ziggy's.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts:2625 - 19/01/2017 17:20:10   1947072

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I would agree with Ziggy's analysis and it is a pretty tight division with maybe a couple of draws and some teams like Derry who would on their day be able to takes points from any of the teams.

browncows (Meath) - Posts:1397 - 19/01/2017 17:56:59   1947097

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "Think you picked me up wrong there, was talking about Fermanagh's promotion odds (top 2) which is 6/1 as you referenced

The reason why I think they are good value is that no other team in this division (and indeed some of the ones in Div 1) have risen to the level they did in the championship recently. I know the league is not the championship but they seem to be out early this year. As RD suggests 6 points will go a long way in what is a very tight looking division"
Yeah six points will go long way I a division where everyone will take points off everyone else. Its tight, Meath will have ups and downs, ao will every other county. Focus on winning 3/4 home matches and see what happens.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:10663 - 19/01/2017 18:14:31   1947103

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