National - Dublin v Mayo. Who will win the 2017 All Ireland football final?

Replying To cavanman47:  "Jim is absolutely and totally condescending towards opponents - not the slightest bit respectful!

He claims to have not watched Mayo since Dublin played them in March. Does anyone really believe that!?? He said the same about Tyrone. . . .as if to say "Mayo? Tyrone? Why would I bother wasting my time watching those teams?""
Ok his exact words were;

I haven't "seen" much of Mayo since our league game.


What part of that do you not believe?


The other stuff is him being genuinely respectful to the opposition no matter what you think that's the man he is, always shows people respect.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts:8796 - 30/08/2017 16:52:57   2040820

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You really have to welcome the challenge Mayo will bring, it will be full of commitment and desire as it is which each passing year. Hopefully it makes for better games then last year. The semis in 2015 were great.

Both team have wonderful players and both have evolved this year. The fascinating thing will be how both set up. I think Mayo ambushed us a bit in the first game last year we weren't expecting them to go blanket defense, in some ways i think the have been the catalysts to our new approach to defense and attack, certainly we made a mockery of the Blancket at the weekend, but i would suggest being stalwarts of Div1 and with great experience at this stage of the championship Mayo will have a bit more adaptability or less respect for Dublin.

Rochford may decide to just let loose and play an open toe for toe game. Certainly Mayo have a great running game and be interesting to see if Gavin players the new double sweeper system, i suspect he might. I suspect this game may be one or lost at the back. Dublin full backs attack well and half backs, while Mayo have brilliant half backs. who ever can free up their specific lines and mark best i think win this. While the forwards will keep this ticking over. I think this will be won on the support players rather then the marquee forwards.

If i was Mayo i would be targeting the central channel, Dublin have a massive fear of being exposed there and have been a few times in the championship. while if they had a couple of players on Ciran Kilkenny im not sure what Dublin would do, it would be like cutting of their brain.

All said i think Dublin have that touch more quality throughout the pitch and in reserve to win the day. but am expecting the usual tight affair.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts:953 - 30/08/2017 17:37:41   2040833

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Come on Mayo, you can do it!

galwayford (Galway) - Posts:1088 - 30/08/2017 18:46:57   2040849

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Ok his exact words were;

I haven't "seen" much of Mayo since our league game.


What part of that do you not believe?


The other stuff is him being genuinely respectful to the opposition no matter what you think that's the man he is, always shows people respect."
I think his comment's about last year's All Ireland final is what people are saying is disrespectful, after the game on sunday he was asked about the final and this is what he said "We played an All Ireland final last year, and didn't preform" so i think people see that as disrespectful to Mayo's defensive set up that day

glasagusdhearg (Mayo) - Posts:55 - 30/08/2017 20:02:34   2040866

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Replying To glasagusdhearg:  "I think his comment's about last year's All Ireland final is what people are saying is disrespectful, after the game on sunday he was asked about the final and this is what he said "We played an All Ireland final last year, and didn't preform" so i think people see that as disrespectful to Mayo's defensive set up that day"
Why are Mayo fans in a constant rush to be outraged and 'disrespected' about everything. There was absolutely nothing in those comments from Jim Gavin

HuddHastings (Longford) - Posts:33 - 31/08/2017 10:18:13   2041036

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If Mayo folk think Jim was disrespectful then what do you make of you're own manager after basically every championship game the last two years he's said in interviews after "we wouldn't be happy with how we played today"

Is he being disrespectful to Derry Clare Cork Fermanagh Tipperary Westmeath?

Surely the managers first concern is his own team and how they played?

By Jim saying "we were lucky to come away with the cup last year" is that not him saying in around about way that Mayo played good?

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts:8796 - 31/08/2017 10:46:31   2041046

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Replying To glasagusdhearg:  "I think his comment's about last year's All Ireland final is what people are saying is disrespectful, after the game on sunday he was asked about the final and this is what he said "We played an All Ireland final last year, and didn't preform" so i think people see that as disrespectful to Mayo's defensive set up that day"
I was at last years Final
Dublin looked tired and made a lot of mistakes
They still had enough to beat Mayo

Dublin look much fresher this year

Scarabin (Dublin) - Posts:114 - 31/08/2017 11:43:25   2041086

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Jim and his team have been keeping a close eye on Mayo all year, as they have Kerry and Tyrone.
And like wise. All 4 teams have been watching each other.

Dublin looked awesome against Tyrone. They are starting to do in the All Ireland series what they have been
doing in Leinster for a decade. Crushing teams.

If they crush Mayo in the AI it will be a significant indicator as to what might happen for the next decade.

There is a possibility it will happen.

The most likely scenario is that it will be tight and the Dubs will roll the Calvary off the bench.

In soccer terms Mayo bench has a couple of €10Million players on it, The Dubs have €50million on their bench and more of them.

It will have to be an exceptional performance from Mayo to win. Not impossible but unlikely ..

Ah_Here (Mayo) - Posts:37 - 31/08/2017 12:47:40   2041117

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Replying To Scarabin:  "I was at last years Final
Dublin looked tired and made a lot of mistakes
They still had enough to beat Mayo

Dublin look much fresher this year"
So do Mayo and they are battle hardened, Dublin aren't.

It will take an almighty performance from Mayo to do it but for people to say Dublin are better this year is ridiculous. They haven't played anyone and the first ''supposed'' stern test was against a team who didn't try to win and let Dublin walk all over them, and that Dublin did

Mayo will be the complete opposite and I expect a huge battle.

ctownbigguy (Mayo) - Posts:16 - 31/08/2017 13:16:14   2041141

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Heart says Mayo head says Dublin, all about match ups, subs bench not as much of an issue as some might think. Both sets of players well able to go flat out for 70 plus or 80 minutes

boomerang (Mayo) - Posts:19 - 31/08/2017 13:48:47   2041156

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Replying To boomerang:  "Heart says Mayo head says Dublin, all about match ups, subs bench not as much of an issue as some might think. Both sets of players well able to go flat out for 70 plus or 80 minutes"
You're wrong the bench is huge and it's a massive advantage to Dublin the last 6 years. Just look at all our big game since 2011 and look at the impact our subs have made.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts:8796 - 31/08/2017 14:19:12   2041170

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Replying To ctownbigguy:  "So do Mayo and they are battle hardened, Dublin aren't.

It will take an almighty performance from Mayo to do it but for people to say Dublin are better this year is ridiculous. They haven't played anyone and the first ''supposed'' stern test was against a team who didn't try to win and let Dublin walk all over them, and that Dublin did

Mayo will be the complete opposite and I expect a huge battle."
I don't understand this battle hardened stuff

Is that when you struggle to beat every team you meet

Scarabin (Dublin) - Posts:114 - 31/08/2017 15:41:04   2041217

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "You're wrong the bench is huge and it's a massive advantage to Dublin the last 6 years. Just look at all our big game since 2011 and look at the impact our subs have made."
Mayo came back at you in the 1st game in 2015 and both games in 2016, going by your theory Dublin should have been pulling away with better subs but in fact Mayo used less replacements and it could also be argued that the Dublin replacements were of better quality but in the 1st games in both years they were damn glad to hear the refs whistle.

boomerang (Mayo) - Posts:19 - 31/08/2017 16:55:15   2041260

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Replying To Scarabin:  "I don't understand this battle hardened stuff

Is that when you struggle to beat every team you meet"
Maybe you're right and we haven't a hope the next day. And maybe Mayo will make it just interesting enough that Jimbo, Liamo, Wayno, Clondalkin Realdub and yourself will just about have something to get the pulse going and the voice hoarse? Or maybe our lads won't care how good your lads are supposed to be and just refuse to play to the script...

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts:1713 - 31/08/2017 20:11:45   2041313

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Replying To Pericles:  "Maybe you're right and we haven't a hope the next day. And maybe Mayo will make it just interesting enough that Jimbo, Liamo, Wayno, Clondalkin Realdub and yourself will just about have something to get the pulse going and the voice hoarse? Or maybe our lads won't care how good your lads are supposed to be and just refuse to play to the script..."
My pulse is already racing for this one

realdub (Dublin) - Posts:6320 - 31/08/2017 21:37:09   2041366

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Replying To HuddHastings:  "Why are Mayo fans in a constant rush to be outraged and 'disrespected' about everything. There was absolutely nothing in those comments from Jim Gavin"
i was just responding to an earlier post, not outraged, not disrespected, not surprised by anything that's said or written about this team anymore after the amount of crap that's been spewed about them over the last couple of year's.

glasagusdhearg (Mayo) - Posts:55 - 31/08/2017 22:08:33   2041387

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "If Mayo folk think Jim was disrespectful then what do you make of you're own manager after basically every championship game the last two years he's said in interviews after "we wouldn't be happy with how we played today"

Is he being disrespectful to Derry Clare Cork Fermanagh Tipperary Westmeath?

Surely the managers first concern is his own team and how they played?

By Jim saying "we were lucky to come away with the cup last year" is that not him saying in around about way that Mayo played good?"
every manager in the country say's the same thing after a game, we need to improve for the next day or that performance wont be good enough the next day so it's hardly anything new

glasagusdhearg (Mayo) - Posts:55 - 31/08/2017 22:21:56   2041393

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Replying To realdub:  "My pulse is already racing for this one"
Was it going before/during/after Tyrone Realdub, or are you just an excitable sort?

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts:1713 - 31/08/2017 23:32:15   2041425

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Just a thought here would Waterford and galway in the hurling be considered bottlers just as this mayo team have been called? Or the cork footballers in the 2000s they also under achieved. Loosing finals loosing semis but the hurlering counties were in the presence of a force that could not be stopped in killkenny. Not having a go but just think that because were not used to dominance in football we are quick to slate teams. I think you could say the same in football for this mayo team they are just coming up against a bit of force at the moment.

royalcounty1 (Meath) - Posts:13 - 01/09/2017 09:34:59   2041479

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When Mayo went to the wire against Derry, Cork and Roscommon I really wanted to see them beaten.. Why? Because they are and have been our biggest threat since 2012/13 and if they had lost we would prob be playing a weaker Kerry team now in the final...

I don't know why they struggle in these games in the last two years (they did so last year too against Fermanagh, Westmeath and Tipp too) but when they get to the latter stages they are very tough to beat...

Mayo have been very unlucky not to win at least one of the 5 games against Dublin since 2013.. Funnily I think the replay in 2015 was really the one that got away despite the final winning margin.. Keegan was baring down on goal when they were four up half way through the second half if he scored there I think they were home and dry...

Mayo are the reason Dublin have improved this year. Jim knows were were lucky last year especially the first day.

Both teams have improved and it has the makings of a great final.

MURPHB33 (Dublin) - Posts:166 - 01/09/2017 13:56:48   2041595

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