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Replying To ormondbannerman: "There are far more schools playing GAA than rugby, probably 5-6 times more The rugby do a good job of promoting it and the game seems to be a big thing in the schools that play it, with many of the kids who play giving up after leaving cert. The GAA are very poor at delivering news, self promotion or talking things up valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts:1184 - 29/01/2017 20:06:15There is more schools playing GAA but 5/6 times more. I dont think so as there's lots of schools playing albeit in development blitzes and not always in competitions like the schools cups.. I agree the GAA are very poor at those and thats their fault not medias that the GAA doesnt get more attention/coverage ....." in Leinster alone there are four divisions in the football competition at senior level there are north leinster, south leinster and Dublin competitions that is a lot of football, at senior schools level
then add in all the hurling
manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 541 - 29/01/2017 21:16:53
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Ormond the reason the gaa don't get the fair media treatment is because their an irish product to put it, all the others get the attention because they are British exports or big sports in Britain, our media is only a branch of the media in Britain and they have agendas like any big organisation and they would rather grow the sports they receive money from in Britain over a sport from here that is all about pride of place and representing where your from.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/01/2017 21:54:01
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in Leinster alone there are four divisions in the football competition at senior level there are north leinster, south leinster and Dublin competitions that is a lot of football, at senior schools level then add in all the hurling manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts:405 - 29/01/2017 21:16:53And in just the Leinster schools cups there is the 16 in the main cups. There is 16 in the Vinnie Murray/Fr Godfrey Cups, 2 qualify for main cup. There is several cups below those 2 cups and there is hundreds of schools in those cups. Ormond the reason the gaa don't get the fair media treatment is because their an irish product to put it, all the others get the attention because they are British exports or big sports in Britain, our media is only a branch of the media in Britain and they have agendas like any big organisation and they would rather grow the sports they receive money from in Britain over a sport from here that is all about pride of place and representing where your from.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11578 - 29/01/2017 21:54:01Thats just nonsense. Our media isnt at all just a branch of the media in Britain. All 3 primary broadsheets are irish newspapers - Independent, Examiner and Times - and are irish owned and irish ran.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/01/2017 22:16:59
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Ormond there is four main bodies run the world's media. American and British. just look at CNN during American elections constant updates highlighting every negative on trump because of who it's owner was, they all have agendas if you are naive enough to think a couple of small newspaper's run the rule here ok let you stay in your bubble
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/01/2017 10:14:21
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Ormond there is four main bodies run the world's media. American and British. just look at CNN during American elections constant updates highlighting every negative on trump because of who it's owner was, they all have agendas if you are naive enough to think a couple of small newspaper's run the rule here ok let you stay in your bubble hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11580 - 30/01/2017 10:14:21Thats just nonsense. Who are these 4 bodies then? And overall ownership doesnt mean an entire agenda will be shown as journalistic freedoms will over rule that And the irish owned newspapers will have editorial control over what they want to say and how they say it.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 30/01/2017 10:30:53
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The thread topic is 'Can the GAA survive the Rugby onslaught'? Seemingly with all the advantages that Rugby have, money, professionalism, favourable media coverage then the GAA won't survive the rugby onslaught.
All rugby's fault, sure GAA are great at the top level marketing their games? Not like grassroots where hardworking club members are out there coaching, fundraising, supporting their players. People who would lose and find top brass in GAA in terms of marketing. Top brass in GAA making plans for an intermediate All Ireland football championship keeping the standard lower there and cashing in on the bigger counties. Paying lIp-service to club players association looking to change the championship calendar. Sure if some club players, fed up waiting for county stars to come back before they can play a game, or a division 3 or 4 player annoyed that he's playing a low standard of football and can't compete for the All Ireland, quit Gaelic football and take up soccer or rugby, the GAA will be nice and smug and tell you. 'Sure it wasn't anything we did wrong, it was rugby'. Always easier to blame the neighbours before you get your own house in order.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7290 - 30/01/2017 10:49:03
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Replying To GreenandRed: "The thread topic is 'Can the GAA survive the Rugby onslaught'? Seemingly with all the advantages that Rugby have, money, professionalism, favourable media coverage then the GAA won't survive the rugby onslaught.
All rugby's fault, sure GAA are great at the top level marketing their games? Not like grassroots where hardworking club members are out there coaching, fundraising, supporting their players. People who would lose and find top brass in GAA in terms of marketing. Top brass in GAA making plans for an intermediate All Ireland football championship keeping the standard lower there and cashing in on the bigger counties. Paying lIp-service to club players association looking to change the championship calendar. Sure if some club players, fed up waiting for county stars to come back before they can play a game, or a division 3 or 4 player annoyed that he's playing a low standard of football and can't compete for the All Ireland, quit Gaelic football and take up soccer or rugby, the GAA will be nice and smug and tell you. 'Sure it wasn't anything we did wrong, it was rugby'. Always easier to blame the neighbours before you get your own house in order." i think the gaa is doing just fine obviously has its issues and growing a bit elitist, rugby is miles behind and has serious potential issues with concussion etc similar to american football
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 30/01/2017 11:06:03
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Replying To hill16no1man: "Ormond the reason the gaa don't get the fair media treatment is because their an irish product to put it, all the others get the attention because they are British exports or big sports in Britain, our media is only a branch of the media in Britain and they have agendas like any big organisation and they would rather grow the sports they receive money from in Britain over a sport from here that is all about pride of place and representing where your from." i guess all those articles i havc eread over the years by jim mcguinness, bomber liston, john mullane, tomas ose, nicky english, tony considine, donal ogrady, pat spillane, ger loughnane, tom ryan --must be a figment of my imagination then eh!
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 30/01/2017 11:06:05
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Ormond o would you also say anyone who wants to drink tea/coffee/coke/lucazade should also have to go out to the stands and away from the seats in order to drink their can/bottle???"
dont know anybody whose viewing of a game was disturbed by somebody carrying one of the egg carton like containers with 4 drinks of tea/coffee/coke/lucazade! Its not the actual drinking the bugs me its the having my view of the game distrubed by somebody bringing in liquor that annoys me.
was at billy connolly few years ago in dublin -you could bring in drink so people were constantly going up and down to the jacks, billy stopped at one stage during the show at said "do people in ireland not pee at home any more" brilliant
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 30/01/2017 11:10:08
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Ormond there is four main bodies run the world's media. American and British. just look at CNN during American elections constant updates highlighting every negative on trump because of who it's owner was, they all have agendas if you are naive enough to think a couple of small newspaper's run the rule here ok let you stay in your bubble hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11580 - 30/01/2017 10:14:21Thats just nonsense. Who are these 4 bodies then? And overall ownership doesnt mean an entire agenda will be shown as journalistic freedoms will over rule that And the irish owned newspapers will have editorial control over what they want to say and how they say it." You live in cloud cuckoo land my friend and i have named them before for you on here and you did your usual trick of just dismissing it without any facts to dismiss just because you say something is nonsense don't mean that you have actually made your point. Of course they have agendas wake up. journalists answer to above and have no editorial day and editors answer to owners who answer to the backers the list goes on and goes all the way to the top like any organisation
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/01/2017 13:47:58
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Replying To GreenandRed: "The thread topic is 'Can the GAA survive the Rugby onslaught'? Seemingly with all the advantages that Rugby have, money, professionalism, favourable media coverage then the GAA won't survive the rugby onslaught.
All rugby's fault, sure GAA are great at the top level marketing their games? Not like grassroots where hardworking club members are out there coaching, fundraising, supporting their players. People who would lose and find top brass in GAA in terms of marketing. Top brass in GAA making plans for an intermediate All Ireland football championship keeping the standard lower there and cashing in on the bigger counties. Paying lIp-service to club players association looking to change the championship calendar. Sure if some club players, fed up waiting for county stars to come back before they can play a game, or a division 3 or 4 player annoyed that he's playing a low standard of football and can't compete for the All Ireland, quit Gaelic football and take up soccer or rugby, the GAA will be nice and smug and tell you. 'Sure it wasn't anything we did wrong, it was rugby'. Always easier to blame the neighbours before you get your own house in order." I see no advantages or no onslaught all I say is an overhyped media sport in rugby that throws everything in your face hoping it will stick but so far they haven't gained much ground in terms of playing numbers or attendances and when the health bodies wake up and come down on them for their alcohol consumption shambles in the stands and terraces they will loose even more ground and the money will stop coming in to keep the media sweet which will see a drop in media coverage
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all I say is an overhyped media sport in rugby that throws everything in your face hoping it will stick but so far they haven't gained much ground in terms of playing numbers or attendances hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11583 - 30/01/2017 13:52:10 1950116
in terms of attendances...hmmmm yet musnter get 26000 for what according to you is some sort of auld meaningless mickey mouse friendly, Munster rugby even for pro 12 games gets better crowds than munster football championship, more dubliners go to watch leinster rugby than dublin hurlers , of course hurling and football are way way way more popular, even here in limerick hurling still rules --but maybe the rugby aint doing too bad in terms of attendances,
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I notice of lot of the anti rugby stuff comes from dublin people , i have to wonder to kids in dublin ever watch a game of rugby on tv, and go to the back and try it out, or play it on the green or garden with their pals and maybe wanna try it out, and then take it further
when the olympics were on my lads were in back playing and copying all sorts, the hammer throw (with a frisbee) , running, long jump, shot put (with plastic ball) even the pole vault (with a bamboo) boxing wrestling handball, i was same myself as a kid when the soccer was on i was stapleton, rugby time i was ginger mcloughlin, olympics i was carl lewis , hurling i was eamonn cregan or jimmy barry, the swimming was the one they loved and after a lot of nagging -theyve started swimming lessons and if they play some other sport - off with them ill take em playing it
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 30/01/2017 14:07:46
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Gaelic football is in trouble, no doubt there. But if you want to raise this issue contact the GAA HQ at Croke park. communications dept 01-8363222.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2513 - 30/01/2017 14:15:31
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Is this the most viewed story ever nearly 36000 views with over 800 comments
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 30/01/2017 16:44:41
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You live in cloud cuckoo land my friend and i have named them before for you on here and you did your usual trick of just dismissing it without any facts to dismiss just because you say something is nonsense don't mean that you have actually made your point. Of course they have agendas wake up. journalists answer to above and have no editorial day and editors answer to owners who answer to the backers the list goes on and goes all the way to the top like any organisation hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11583 - 30/01/2017 13:47:58Oh yes all news outlets are completely based on these basic agendas and all follow those agendas no matter what. Journalists answer to their editors but if editors solely followed owners and backers wishes then there would be no opinion pieces in many cases. Look at Denis O Brien and issues with him in the media. Look at Murdoch and his media outlets.
I see no advantages or no onslaught all I say is an overhyped media sport in rugby that throws everything in your face hoping it will stick but so far they haven't gained much ground in terms of playing numbers or attendances and when the health bodies wake up and come down on them for their alcohol consumption shambles in the stands and terraces they will loose even more ground and the money will stop coming in to keep the media sweet which will see a drop in media coverage hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11583 - 30/01/2017 13:52:10 Well you know nothing about rugby. No health body will be stopping anything with rugby in terms of alcohol in stands as there isnt any reason for them? And lose(sic) what ground? Media attention is always increasing with rugby as more people watch it and learn about the sport and the professional teams do better and amatuer rugby develops in more and more areas across the country.
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Replying To janesboro: "all I say is an overhyped media sport in rugby that throws everything in your face hoping it will stick but so far they haven't gained much ground in terms of playing numbers or attendances hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11583 - 30/01/2017 13:52:10 1950116
in terms of attendances...hmmmm yet musnter get 26000 for what according to you is some sort of auld meaningless mickey mouse friendly, Munster rugby even for pro 12 games gets better crowds than munster football championship, more dubliners go to watch leinster rugby than dublin hurlers , of course hurling and football are way way way more popular, even here in limerick hurling still rules --but maybe the rugby aint doing too bad in terms of attendances," Munster were getting only 11 to 12 thousand in thomond park for games until the manager died and it brought about a knock in effect and a rise in the teams fortunes led to increased crowds, the last three years they have been in serious debt because of the drop in attendances since their European winning days, so much so that the irfu had to write off their annual repayments this year as they were that bad financially. As for the challenge game well put it this way the people I went with and half the people around me were trying to make out it was the actual new Zealand team they were playing and not a x15 so I'm sure a lot more turned up with the same train of thaught. how do you know how many dublin people attend Leinster games? I personally don't know a single Dublin person who even owns a Leinster Jersey never mind had ever gone to watch them.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/01/2017 19:15:21
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Replying To janesboro: "I notice of lot of the anti rugby stuff comes from dublin people , i have to wonder to kids in dublin ever watch a game of rugby on tv, and go to the back and try it out, or play it on the green or garden with their pals and maybe wanna try it out, and then take it further
when the olympics were on my lads were in back playing and copying all sorts, the hammer throw (with a frisbee) , running, long jump, shot put (with plastic ball) even the pole vault (with a bamboo) boxing wrestling handball, i was same myself as a kid when the soccer was on i was stapleton, rugby time i was ginger mcloughlin, olympics i was carl lewis , hurling i was eamonn cregan or jimmy barry, the swimming was the one they loved and after a lot of nagging -theyve started swimming lessons and if they play some other sport - off with them ill take em playing it" That's called bandwagon stuff but funnily enough I have never seen kids with a rugby ball in the public park by me. a regular American fuseball team get together once a month but no rugger. the tennis used to run for the two weeks of Wimbledon the kit Kat club think it was called trying to get money out of parents who's darlings wouldn't take the racket out of the shed for another 52 weeks again until they were heavily influenced by overhyping for a couple week's.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/01/2017 19:19:13
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Munster were getting only 11 to 12 thousand in thomond park for games until the manager died and it brought about a knock in effect and a rise in the teams fortunes led to increased crowds, the last three years they have been in serious debt because of the drop in attendances since their European winning days, so much so that the irfu had to write off their annual repayments this year as they were that bad financially. As for the challenge game well put it this way the people I went with and half the people around me were trying to make out it was the actual new Zealand team they were playing and not a x15 so I'm sure a lot more turned up with the same train of thaught. how do you know how many dublin people attend Leinster games? I personally don't know a single Dublin person who even owns a Leinster Jersey never mind had ever gone to watch them. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11585 - 30/01/2017 19:15:2111-12000 against the weaker sides in the competition. And yes it was partially due to the former head coach, then forwards coach Anthony(who was in his time forwards, defence and head coach but never manager) dying but it has as much been the team improving and getting used to the Director of Rugbys plays, Munster have been in debt since they redeveloped the stadium as they were being asked to try pay back the costs of the stadium very quickly. I didnt attend the NZ Maori game and it wasnt a challenge game and never once was referred to as one by anyone as games like that have a different attitude paid to them by players, coaches, supporters than games in hurling, gaelic. That's called bandwagon stuff but funnily enough I have never seen kids with a rugby ball in the public park by me. a regular American fuseball team get together once a month but no rugger. the tennis used to run for the two weeks of Wimbledon the kit Kat club think it was called trying to get money out of parents who's darlings wouldn't take the racket out of the shed for another 52 weeks again until they were heavily influenced by overhyping for a couple week's. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11585 - 30/01/2017 19:19:13What does bandwagon mean and so people trying something new or occassionly is a bad thing then?
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 30/01/2017 19:47:03
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hill16no1man ( s for the challenge game well put it this way the people I went with and half the people around me were trying to make out it was the actual new Zealand team they were playing and not a x15 so I'm sure a lot more turned up with the same train of thaught.
most people around me knew it was the maori all blacks and not the all blacks, i know we are only culchies, peasants if you will , ould ragged sons of the soil down here but little clues did help us reach this conclusion e.g. putting the name maori all blacks on the match ticket, the scoreboard, the various advertising the match programme, blanket coverage in local media the week before, subtle hints to aid us country bumpkins!!!!!!!
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 30/01/2017 20:36:02
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