National - Dublin v Mayo. Who will win the 2017 All Ireland football final?

Replying To DannyMcA:  "They have put in so much effort of course. But so have the Dublin lads. All teams do."
And we have more than a point to prove this year too.

We got little or no recognition last Sept - it was all oh Mayo could have and should have won, 2 own goals, crazy decision to drop goal keeper, the ref, the pitch, the manager hadnt a clue etc etc.

I hope we play to our potential this time but time will tell.

One thing is for sure - Mayo will be up to their old tricks v Dublin both on and off the field...

At least we look fresher than usual, this time around.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts:2501 - 29/08/2017 23:39:52   2040510

Link

Replying To DannyMcA:  "They have put in so much effort of course. But so have the Dublin lads. All teams do."
I know but Mayo have not won the big prize yet in the modern era, Dublin have 2 in a row, they are a great team but they can't have the same hunger as these Mayo lads,they have been knocking on the door now for years, this squad will start breaking up at some point,the clock is ticking for a lot of them.
that's why it's so hard to win back to back All Irelands,when we won it in 2012 the next year the same hunger wasn't there, it took us till 2014 to start playing properly again, ok it's easier for the likes of Dublin or Kerry when they were at their best, you kind of expect Dublin or Kerry to win it, for us it was a dream come true I suppose.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts:169 - 30/08/2017 00:01:16   2040529

Link

I think a lot needs to be made of just how poor Tyrone were on Sunday. Ok, we did everything that could be asked of us, and with some style too, but Tyrone wouldn't come and get the ball of us, and they wouldn't tackle like Tyrone of old as we broke tackles all day long.
Mayo won't be as generous and they can push us for athleticism.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts:6316 - 30/08/2017 00:14:00   2040532

Link

Anyone hazard a guess at the match ups for this game? Where will aidan O'Sea play?

I think they have to keep Higgins free which means probably Aidan O'Sea will have to pick a Dublin forward up.

Paddy Andrews and Paul Mannion need to be watched like hawks those two have a habit of winning games without getting much attention.

royalcounty1 (Meath) - Posts:13 - 30/08/2017 08:43:39   2040575

Link

Replying To royalcounty1:  "Anyone hazard a guess at the match ups for this game? Where will aidan O'Sea play?

I think they have to keep Higgins free which means probably Aidan O'Sea will have to pick a Dublin forward up.

Paddy Andrews and Paul Mannion need to be watched like hawks those two have a habit of winning games without getting much attention."
The only place i can see AOS having any joy in is as an othordox deep lying midfielder. He wont be played in defence again and if he goes up front Philly Mc will have him for breakfast again...

Matchups will be fascinating,
I agree with you that Higgins absolutely must be freed up to be a free man, has been brilliant in that role last few games and man-marking jobs restrict him
Fitzsimons got motm on Andy Moran last year so will tag him again
Jonny Cooper will tag COC
Small will tag McLoughlin
If i were Rochford i would consider starting Durcan to paly at half forward in Place of DoC, has the pace to stick with McCaffrey and also pin him back if needed.

On the other side of the pitch, Vaughan on Andrews, Boyle on Con, Keegan on Kilkenny (assuming Connolly doesnt start). Harrison on Mannion.

HuddHastings (Longford) - Posts:33 - 30/08/2017 09:40:16   2040601

Link

Replying To HuddHastings:  "The only place i can see AOS having any joy in is as an othordox deep lying midfielder. He wont be played in defence again and if he goes up front Philly Mc will have him for breakfast again...

Matchups will be fascinating,
I agree with you that Higgins absolutely must be freed up to be a free man, has been brilliant in that role last few games and man-marking jobs restrict him
Fitzsimons got motm on Andy Moran last year so will tag him again
Jonny Cooper will tag COC
Small will tag McLoughlin
If i were Rochford i would consider starting Durcan to paly at half forward in Place of DoC, has the pace to stick with McCaffrey and also pin him back if needed.

On the other side of the pitch, Vaughan on Andrews, Boyle on Con, Keegan on Kilkenny (assuming Connolly doesnt start). Harrison on Mannion."
Given james Mc Carthy's success should Vaughan or keegan go on him.

One thing to note is mayo had success with Dublin when they occupied cian O'Sullivan remember keegans goal last year.Aidan O'Sea drew him in. How can they do it this year with Osea gone to midfield and Higgins being a sweeper.

royalcounty1 (Meath) - Posts:13 - 30/08/2017 09:59:37   2040611

Link

Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Just looking back at last years finals on youtube, the drawn match and replay, Dublin only won by 1 point, Mayo could very easily have beaten them, I think Mayo are better now than they were last year, hard to know if Dublin are better or not, the Tyrone game was weird, Tyrone didn't really show up, it will be a dif story against Mayo, as the old fella on dads army used to say, 'they don't like it up em' Mayo will hit Dublin hard with pace and power, should be a great final again,
I have a feeling Mayo will do it this year,I don't think a lot of these fellas will accept another defeat,they have put in so much effort, can't wait for the game, hurling final which should be a cracker will tide me over till then."
I don't subscribe to the Mayo could've easily beat Dublin last year. More of a they pushed Dublin all the way. In both games Dublin led in the home straight. Mayo just didn't have enough to get their noses in front when it mattered. Dublin got themselves in poll position when it mattered and to be honest should've seen the first game out without the need for a replay.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts:331 - 30/08/2017 10:06:58   2040612

Link

We have too many moving parts for Mayo and we've added to that list since last year - we have all the necessary attributes and have only added to it.

The Kerry semi final last year exhausted Dublin who were going for back to back titles - we were sluggish and leggy looking but still won.

What have Mayo added since last year? Conceding more goals as far as I can see...

We have Jack back, we have Con, we have Scully, we have Mannion now in form, we have Lowndes in form, we have a new style of adaptable play, we are rested and hugely focused.

Our bench is stronger and have an entire panel to pick from.

If the game needs to be won.. Connolly, Brogan, MDMA, Flynn, KevMc, EOG, Costello, Daly... to come into the game.

Listen if Mayo win.. I'll bloody clap them off the field and watch them lift Sam and applaud them for it and warmly congratulate their fans.

I just don't see it though.

May the best team win

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts:17396 - 30/08/2017 10:20:11   2040617

Link

I think we will win, i am pretty sure we will if i am honest
BUT
If we don't, if Mayo win, i will have no problem atall congratulating them, shaking hands and I don't think I will even be that gutted
i am infinitely happy with where Dublin football is right now, losing a good game in 3 weeks wouldn't actually change that , teams win and lose. Its sport.
If Mayo were to beat us in a great game, I will be very disappinted but I will also be a little happy for Yew Tree and a few other decent Mayo skins on here, plus the Lee Keegans, Colm Boyles and Keith Higgins.

(not so much COC mind, dont like him atall!!)

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts:7861 - 30/08/2017 12:09:34   2040680

Link

I can't see how Mayo beat us , I know last year they should have beaten us the first day and we're unlucky the second day but i just think Dublin are way better this year and Jim has brought loads of pace back into our team and then if the lads starting aren't going well look at our bench it's frightening. Now this Mayo team is one of the greats even if they don't win Sam it's basically the same players still on the go since 2011 their incredible and as liam said if they do win then fair play that's some achievement a team that looked finished at the start of the championship to go on and beat this Dublin team jesus you'd have to say "Respect"


But these Dublin players are driven and they want to leave a lasting legacy and go down as the greatest of all time.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts:8795 - 30/08/2017 12:29:16   2040691

Link

Replying To clondalkindub:  "I can't see how Mayo beat us , I know last year they should have beaten us the first day and we're unlucky the second day but i just think Dublin are way better this year and Jim has brought loads of pace back into our team and then if the lads starting aren't going well look at our bench it's frightening. Now this Mayo team is one of the greats even if they don't win Sam it's basically the same players still on the go since 2011 their incredible and as liam said if they do win then fair play that's some achievement a team that looked finished at the start of the championship to go on and beat this Dublin team jesus you'd have to say "Respect"


But these Dublin players are driven and they want to leave a lasting legacy and go down as the greatest of all time."
CD, your dead right, we are BETTER than last year
That's a bold statement but we are. That's why i am very confident. Dublin 2017 are better then Dublin 2016. I am not sure Mayo cam say the same, can they?
Maybe they can. Yew? What say you?
Will the Kerry game work the miracle?

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts:7861 - 30/08/2017 12:53:22   2040701

Link

Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "CD, your dead right, we are BETTER than last year
That's a bold statement but we are. That's why i am very confident. Dublin 2017 are better then Dublin 2016. I am not sure Mayo cam say the same, can they?
Maybe they can. Yew? What say you?
Will the Kerry game work the miracle?"
I think on reflection Mayo are also better than last year. Watching us play week in, week out, the passing, movement is getting sharper and crisper with each game. I think we stumbled into a final last year, and while we lived on the edge up to the first Roscommon game this year, since then we have seen a stark improvement.

I agree Dublin are better but let's see what happens in a close battle. Jim Gavin stated that Dublin didn't show up in last year's finals....a bit disrespectful to Mayo who stiffled Dublin...even in 2013 both teams under performed. Both games last year, there was spells where Mayo were poor....there is a common thread building that both teams cancel each other out to an extent with Dublin's extra class getting them the win on each occasions. Dublin's bench is also superior.

Kerry were also the bee's knee's until Mayo beat them. Look Dublin are favourites and strong ones at that but Mayo CAN win this game. It will take a huge performance and everything will need to go right for us...football games are not won on paper and every dog has its day.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts:8658 - 30/08/2017 14:38:00   2040759

Link

Replying To yew_tree:  "I think on reflection Mayo are also better than last year. Watching us play week in, week out, the passing, movement is getting sharper and crisper with each game. I think we stumbled into a final last year, and while we lived on the edge up to the first Roscommon game this year, since then we have seen a stark improvement.

I agree Dublin are better but let's see what happens in a close battle. Jim Gavin stated that Dublin didn't show up in last year's finals....a bit disrespectful to Mayo who stiffled Dublin...even in 2013 both teams under performed. Both games last year, there was spells where Mayo were poor....there is a common thread building that both teams cancel each other out to an extent with Dublin's extra class getting them the win on each occasions. Dublin's bench is also superior.

Kerry were also the bee's knee's until Mayo beat them. Look Dublin are favourites and strong ones at that but Mayo CAN win this game. It will take a huge performance and everything will need to go right for us...football games are not won on paper and every dog has its day."
A bit disrespectful from Jim Gavin? A Yew Tree now the man totally can't win he's respectful to every team we play no matter who and he gets slated for it, now you're after him for saying " we played Mayo twice last year and weren't happy with how we played and we're lucky to come away with the cup" and you still think that's disrespectful ? Very harsh Yew Tree he's the utmost respect for this Mayo team I didn't see anything wrong with what he said.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts:8795 - 30/08/2017 14:55:30   2040769

Link

Replying To clondalkindub:  "A bit disrespectful from Jim Gavin? A Yew Tree now the man totally can't win he's respectful to every team we play no matter who and he gets slated for it, now you're after him for saying " we played Mayo twice last year and weren't happy with how we played and we're lucky to come away with the cup" and you still think that's disrespectful ? Very harsh Yew Tree he's the utmost respect for this Mayo team I didn't see anything wrong with what he said."
If that was his exact wording then I retract my statement but I think Mayo played a huge part in Dublin "not showing up" in last years finals.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts:8658 - 30/08/2017 15:05:54   2040775

Link

Replying To poguemahone:  "I don't subscribe to the Mayo could've easily beat Dublin last year. More of a they pushed Dublin all the way. In both games Dublin led in the home straight. Mayo just didn't have enough to get their noses in front when it mattered. Dublin got themselves in poll position when it mattered and to be honest should've seen the first game out without the need for a replay."
Whether you subscribe or not Dublin scored just 9 points themselves and just 6 from play the first day. If you think the OG's didn't matter you're delusional. Mayo were far better than Kerry over both semifinal games, but the under hit shot which DOC finished to the net was a break which put daylight between the teams. We won by more than that goal, but the break was a useful one. Dublin without the two own goals would have lost last year based on the scoreboard. The idea that they'd have 'found a way' is fanciful. They weren't finding a way even when Mayo were gift wrapping the game for them. I'm not hoping for an even set of breaks on the 17th... I hope we get everything going!

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts:1713 - 30/08/2017 16:00:00   2040798

Link

Replying To clondalkindub:  "A bit disrespectful from Jim Gavin? A Yew Tree now the man totally can't win he's respectful to every team we play no matter who and he gets slated for it, now you're after him for saying " we played Mayo twice last year and weren't happy with how we played and we're lucky to come away with the cup" and you still think that's disrespectful ? Very harsh Yew Tree he's the utmost respect for this Mayo team I didn't see anything wrong with what he said."
Jim is absolutely and totally condescending towards opponents - not the slightest bit respectful!

He claims to have not watched Mayo since Dublin played them in March. Does anyone really believe that!?? He said the same about Tyrone. . . .as if to say "Mayo? Tyrone? Why would I bother wasting my time watching those teams?"

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts:2808 - 30/08/2017 16:11:13   2040806

Link

Replying To cavanman47:  "Jim is absolutely and totally condescending towards opponents - not the slightest bit respectful!

He claims to have not watched Mayo since Dublin played them in March. Does anyone really believe that!?? He said the same about Tyrone. . . .as if to say "Mayo? Tyrone? Why would I bother wasting my time watching those teams?""
That's only your opinion. Plenty who actually know the man take him at his word.

DannyMcA (Dublin) - Posts:172 - 30/08/2017 16:24:23   2040811

Link

Replying To Pericles:  "Whether you subscribe or not Dublin scored just 9 points themselves and just 6 from play the first day. If you think the OG's didn't matter you're delusional. Mayo were far better than Kerry over both semifinal games, but the under hit shot which DOC finished to the net was a break which put daylight between the teams. We won by more than that goal, but the break was a useful one. Dublin without the two own goals would have lost last year based on the scoreboard. The idea that they'd have 'found a way' is fanciful. They weren't finding a way even when Mayo were gift wrapping the game for them. I'm not hoping for an even set of breaks on the 17th... I hope we get everything going!"
It's unlikely to happen two games in a row but you never know.

DannyMcA (Dublin) - Posts:172 - 30/08/2017 16:26:23   2040813

Link

Lads, we just played a Kerry team who were convinced of their superiority before and.between the two games. Mayo proved better over the course of both games, but even so Kerry's deficiencies have been regarded as the main reason... if they got their tactics right they would have won. So our lads have it all to prove and whatever about the Dubs or history it'll be 15 v 15 out on the pitch. If Dublin prove good enough, they'll be writing history. For Mayo it'll just be about delivering plain old Sam. We don't want much compared with you boys!

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts:1713 - 30/08/2017 16:28:48   2040814

Link

Tyrone played like Tyrone but Dublin now have a system of play that has been practiced time and time again against defence first teams.

Which was basically every team we've played against since 2014

We've perfected that system now and blew an outdated Tyrone side away

Kerry 100% have the team to beat Mayo and Dublin - no doubt but they have to play to their strengths

But they committed tactical genocide on themselves the last day out - completely all over the shop and were poorly managed on the day

You can not compare that particular Kerry team and their setup on the day to what Dublin will bring to the table.

I'm confident of the win but it wont be easy.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts:17396 - 30/08/2017 16:42:31   2040819

Link