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Today's result further proves my point that the so called Super 8 system will be a damp squib with the stronger getting stronger and the weaker qualifying teams being humiliated with no chance of a one off shock and little or no chance of ever making an All Ireland semi....ever!!!
dingle2 (Kerry) - Posts:205 - 07/08/2017 16:02:16
Don't agree at all. Sure Dublin and Kerry are consistently in the top 4, with Mayo hovering there or thereabouts. But a number of other counties can make the step up, all this BS about the strong getting stronger is nonsense.
In Ulster Tyrone have only stepped up this year, moving clearly ahead of Donegal and Monaghan who had both dominated Ulster 2011-2016, and need to rebuild. Down, Armagh, Cavan and even Derry feel they can move to that level too. Down with some further improvement could really do something.
In Connacht both Galway and Roscommon have the potential to step up and overtake Mayo, both are developing and gaining experience.
In Leinster Kildare look like a team with real potential, they really gave Dublin a game and I think with the right focus and tactical work they can make the jump.
In Munster Tipperary are steadily in an upward trend, they are gaining experience and headed in the right direction. Clare are also no pushover, and Cork are in a bit of a lull, but will return.
This super 8 structure won't alter any of this, outside of the top 2 or 3 who are consistently there, one or two of the other sides mentioned will always be in the fold.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/08/2017 16:32:03
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RTE pundits are lazy, they just go with form du jour, now they have super 4, yesterday they had super 3.
suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts:824 - 07/08/2017 16:13:28 2
I agree, they are lazy pundits and ignore common themes, like how In recent years the teams coming from Rd 4 qualifiers have struggled to beat Provincial champions in All Ireland QF's. Only an inexperienced Roscommon side or a Monaghan side who twice got their bogey team Tyrone have been exceptions to this rule.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 07/08/2017 16:38:47
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I agree with the poster above that Kildare in Leinster are an up and coming team. Galway and Roscommon will also rise. Ulster is very competitive. And finally Cork will be back soon, not sure about Tipp though. A hurling county imo.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 07/08/2017 16:52:00
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Replying To suckvalleypaddy: "So the top 4 are in order
Dublin
Mayo
Tyrone
Kerry
Why do you say that other counties cannot get up there ever? A little myopic surely?
I could see Donegal or Monaghan or Galway or Cork etc put their hands up over the next few seasons.
RTE pundits are lazy, they just go with form du jour, now they have super 4, yesterday they had super 3." I noticed that too. The 'big 3' turned into a 'big4' in less than 24 hours, according to Sunday/Monday Game analysis teams anyway. Disrespectful to Mayo last night I thought, especially as this Tyrone side hasn't yet scalped Mayo at all in championship.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3410 - 07/08/2017 17:07:11
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I think the super 8s will give the likes of the Rossies and Monaghan a better chance. One game at home for the likes of these teams combined I think anyway with the top ranked teams playing each other first in this format will give whoever wins the first game a fair chance of progressing. Also hopefully it will ensure there is no dead rubber games when the last round of games come along.
At the end of the day it will be the top 8 teams in the country and surely some of the so called lesser teams like in any other sport will improve playing better opposition every week.
It certainly beats waiting 8 or 9 weeks in between games and the more GAA the better IMO.
KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 07/08/2017 17:11:14
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Replying To KY4SAM2015: "I think the super 8s will give the likes of the Rossies and Monaghan a better chance. One game at home for the likes of these teams combined I think anyway with the top ranked teams playing each other first in this format will give whoever wins the first game a fair chance of progressing. Also hopefully it will ensure there is no dead rubber games when the last round of games come along.
At the end of the day it will be the top 8 teams in the country and surely some of the so called lesser teams like in any other sport will improve playing better opposition every week.
It certainly beats waiting 8 or 9 weeks in between games and the more GAA the better IMO." It benefits 12.5% of teams. At a stretch it accommodates an additional 12.5% for any given year. For the rest it's two fingers to 75% of teams.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 07/08/2017 17:25:22
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In the current format its very rare for an underdog to make it into the last four. At least in the super 8s it gives these counties a home game with a full attendance and the profile of the game will be raised in the county. If the top two teams play each other in the group first then for example having to win an away game for the likes of Kerry/Mayo in Salthill or Clones against Monaghan will not be a walk in the park as opposed to what we have seen with this years quarter finals.
As we have have seen over the last few weekends Tyrone, Dublin, Kerry and Mayo have all had big wins and hard to see how the lesser counties can break through in this system.
As a Kerry fan I want to see the team play as much as possible but I understand the point that it will gives us and the likes of Dublin a greater chance of progressing but I think it is time for a change whether this is the correct one we will have to wait and see.
KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 07/08/2017 17:51:01
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Whether they are competitive or not the Super 8 is not the solution for most counties, I never heard the proposal coming from any county, that we need a super 8. Group stages are needed at the early rounds, give every county a min number of games
NorthKildare (Kildare) - Posts: 197 - 07/08/2017 17:52:49
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Paraic Duffy always said that the Super 8's arent the answer but they are better than what we have.The last 2 weekends have poured a lot of cold water on that. Only 4 teams can win the All Ireland next year. So there is no championship structure that can support that. Its now up to Kildare, Galway and Cork to get their fingers out and become viable contenders.
FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 563 - 07/08/2017 22:15:52
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Replying To FootblockREF: "Paraic Duffy always said that the Super 8's arent the answer but they are better than what we have.The last 2 weekends have poured a lot of cold water on that. Only 4 teams can win the All Ireland next year. So there is no championship structure that can support that. Its now up to Kildare, Galway and Cork to get their fingers out and become viable contenders." kildare and cork??? :)
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 07/08/2017 22:32:40
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Replying To galwayford: "I agree with the poster above that Kildare in Leinster are an up and coming team. Galway and Roscommon will also rise. Ulster is very competitive. And finally Cork will be back soon, not sure about Tipp though. A hurling county imo." kildare are always 'up and coming' ultimately they lost to an ordinary armagh side who were mauled by tyrone.
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 07/08/2017 22:34:29
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "I noticed that too. The 'big 3' turned into a 'big4' in less than 24 hours, according to Sunday/Monday Game analysis teams anyway. Disrespectful to Mayo last night I thought, especially as this Tyrone side hasn't yet scalped Mayo at all in championship." Mayo will never get respect until we win an All Ireland...I've accepted that.
The lads on the Sunday game are NOT experts, have never managed at the top level and change their mind more than Eamon Dunphy. They are funny though..
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 07/08/2017 22:35:54
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Replying To ziggy32001: "kildare are always 'up and coming' ultimately they lost to an ordinary armagh side who were mauled by tyrone." Kildare have been up and coming since at Cosgrave time when we were still part of the commonwealth. Up and coming. But never arriving
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/08/2017 23:10:02
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Replying To GaryMc82: "Today's result further proves my point that the so called Super 8 system will be a damp squib with the stronger getting stronger and the weaker qualifying teams being humiliated with no chance of a one off shock and little or no chance of ever making an All Ireland semi....ever!!!
dingle2 (Kerry) - Posts:205 - 07/08/2017 16:02:16
Don't agree at all. Sure Dublin and Kerry are consistently in the top 4, with Mayo hovering there or thereabouts. But a number of other counties can make the step up, all this BS about the strong getting stronger is nonsense.
In Ulster Tyrone have only stepped up this year, moving clearly ahead of Donegal and Monaghan who had both dominated Ulster 2011-2016, and need to rebuild. Down, Armagh, Cavan and even Derry feel they can move to that level too. Down with some further improvement could really do something.
In Connacht both Galway and Roscommon have the potential to step up and overtake Mayo, both are developing and gaining experience.
In Leinster Kildare look like a team with real potential, they really gave Dublin a game and I think with the right focus and tactical work they can make the jump.
In Munster Tipperary are steadily in an upward trend, they are gaining experience and headed in the right direction. Clare are also no pushover, and Cork are in a bit of a lull, but will return.
This super 8 structure won't alter any of this, outside of the top 2 or 3 who are consistently there, one or two of the other sides mentioned will always be in the fold." Did Monaghan give Dubs a game. ? What was loosing margin 10? Kildares was 9. Too much been read into Kildare win over a Meath team who never got off the bus. Kildare were comfortable beat by a poor division 3 team who themselves were obliterated by a untested tyrone team.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/08/2017 23:13:18
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Replying To FootblockREF: "Paraic Duffy always said that the Super 8's arent the answer but they are better than what we have.The last 2 weekends have poured a lot of cold water on that. Only 4 teams can win the All Ireland next year. So there is no championship structure that can support that. Its now up to Kildare, Galway and Cork to get their fingers out and become viable contenders." Kildare and cork????
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/08/2017 23:15:30
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The so called Super 8 is one of the worst ideas that the GAA top brass have ever had. Yet another scheme that will help maintain the status quo at the top and cut down the chances of new teams getting to semi final
Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 943 - 08/08/2017 00:02:54
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Replying To royaldunne: "Kildare and cork????" He meant to say Meath but Admin, the Gardai, Interpol, The EU, The UN security council and The War Crimes Tribunal wouldn't allow it.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 08/08/2017 05:12:08
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Replying To royaldunne: " Replying To GaryMc82: "Today's result further proves my point that the so called Super 8 system will be a damp squib with the stronger getting stronger and the weaker qualifying teams being humiliated with no chance of a one off shock and little or no chance of ever making an All Ireland semi....ever!!!
dingle2 (Kerry) - Posts:205 - 07/08/2017 16:02:16
Don't agree at all. Sure Dublin and Kerry are consistently in the top 4, with Mayo hovering there or thereabouts. But a number of other counties can make the step up, all this BS about the strong getting stronger is nonsense.
In Ulster Tyrone have only stepped up this year, moving clearly ahead of Donegal and Monaghan who had both dominated Ulster 2011-2016, and need to rebuild. Down, Armagh, Cavan and even Derry feel they can move to that level too. Down with some further improvement could really do something.
In Connacht both Galway and Roscommon have the potential to step up and overtake Mayo, both are developing and gaining experience.
In Leinster Kildare look like a team with real potential, they really gave Dublin a game and I think with the right focus and tactical work they can make the jump.
In Munster Tipperary are steadily in an upward trend, they are gaining experience and headed in the right direction. Clare are also no pushover, and Cork are in a bit of a lull, but will return.
This super 8 structure won't alter any of this, outside of the top 2 or 3 who are consistently there, one or two of the other sides mentioned will always be in the fold." Did Monaghan give Dubs a game. ? What was loosing margin 10? Kildares was 9. Too much been read into Kildare win over a Meath team who never got off the bus. Kildare were comfortable beat by a poor division 3 team who themselves were obliterated by a untested tyrone team."
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 08/08/2017 05:28:52
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If fairness is what we all want the senior football championship to be based on then that is never going to work with the current format. I don't just mean the layout of the competition I mean playing as county teams.
Switch to a different regional format so as that teams have a better chance of competing. Amalgamate some counties together. It would probably mean the splitting of Dublin into 2, possibly 3 different teams. Population and resources seem to be a lot of peoples arguments when explaining why their county can't compete, well if there were less counties with greater regional catchment areas the money could be combined and used better on one senior team rather than 2 or 3.
But no one wants this do they. Lets face it, everyone likes the current format, they just wish their county was better than they are (with the exception of the top teams). Not to mention that all those arguing about how unfair the championship is just love that Irish trait of moaning
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 08/08/2017 09:52:59
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Replying To keithlemon: "If fairness is what we all want the senior football championship to be based on then that is never going to work with the current format. I don't just mean the layout of the competition I mean playing as county teams.
Switch to a different regional format so as that teams have a better chance of competing. Amalgamate some counties together. It would probably mean the splitting of Dublin into 2, possibly 3 different teams. Population and resources seem to be a lot of peoples arguments when explaining why their county can't compete, well if there were less counties with greater regional catchment areas the money could be combined and used better on one senior team rather than 2 or 3.
But no one wants this do they. Lets face it, everyone likes the current format, they just wish their county was better than they are (with the exception of the top teams). Not to mention that all those arguing about how unfair the championship is just love that Irish trait of moaning" Excellent post
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 08/08/2017 10:08:52
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