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Replying To supersub15: "The shock of the day was London hammering Roscommon in Hyde Park Roscommon
The result of the day was Wicklow accounting for Kildare in St. Conleths Park Newbridge." "The shock of the day was London hammering Roscommon in Hyde Park Roscommon"
Why would that be considered a shock? I'd have thought Tyrone beating Donegal was more notable.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 02/05/2017 01:38:39
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I agree keeper, Roscommon losing is no shock - Tyrone hammering Donegal is just off the scale in shocks
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Replying To keeper7: ""The shock of the day was London hammering Roscommon in Hyde Park Roscommon"
Why would that be considered a shock? I'd have thought Tyrone beating Donegal was more notable." The way I saw the Tyrone/Donegal game was just another result no "real" surprise certainly no shock as Tyrone relieved Donegal of the Nicky Rackard title 2/3 years ago both of them have won it out recently, they have played each other 4 times this year sharing two win's each, but yes, perhaps to win by that amount wasn't expected.
Roscommon in their first game clocked up a score of 1-20 against Downs 2-24, Down according to some were dark horses going into the competition, either way 1-20 is a decent score playing away from home. A week later Roscommon conceded 4-24 at home to London and only scored 1-10, that's 0-10 less than they scored against Down in Ballycran, so the shock was not that Roscommon lost, but the manner in which they lost, to me that's 10.0 on the rector scale, tsunami stuff.
In a nut shell, for a variety of reasons London are not as privileged as most teams back home, including Donegal, Tyrone and Roscommon, that add's to the shock.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 02/05/2017 20:36:49
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Have no idea how Division 2A London beating Roscommon by that much is a shock. Roscommon played Mayo in the 2b relegation play off.
Mayo lost to 2A Carlow by 20 pts, Roscommon lost to 2A London by 23 I think.
London are a decent side and on their day can beat better sides, have beaten Kildare and Carlow in the last 2 years.
The Real 1944 (Carlow) - Posts: 1114 - 02/05/2017 20:54:48
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London hammering Roscommon isn't a surprise. Any time I've seen Roscommon play in the last few years they've been poor.
I'd love to know who thought Down were dark horses in the Christy Ring. They are in a lower league division than Kildare, London, Carlow, Armagh and Antrim. They also lost by 7 and 20 points in the league to Wicklow and Meath.
CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 02/05/2017 21:54:31
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Replying To supersub15: "The way I saw the Tyrone/Donegal game was just another result no "real" surprise certainly no shock as Tyrone relieved Donegal of the Nicky Rackard title 2/3 years ago both of them have won it out recently, they have played each other 4 times this year sharing two win's each, but yes, perhaps to win by that amount wasn't expected.
Roscommon in their first game clocked up a score of 1-20 against Downs 2-24, Down according to some were dark horses going into the competition, either way 1-20 is a decent score playing away from home. A week later Roscommon conceded 4-24 at home to London and only scored 1-10, that's 0-10 less than they scored against Down in Ballycran, so the shock was not that Roscommon lost, but the manner in which they lost, to me that's 10.0 on the rector scale, tsunami stuff.
In a nut shell, for a variety of reasons London are not as privileged as most teams back home, including Donegal, Tyrone and Roscommon, that add's to the shock." Look at the Donegal V Tyrone results in the league this year instead of talking about previous years. London have competed quite recently in the McCarthy Cup while Roscommon are just up from the Rackard Cup. Do the math!
As for Down, I said before they're not the force the once were at this level. Their Ring Cup title a few years was a last hurrah for a very decent side who'd soldiered together for a long time. Where's the young talent coming through to replace the likes of Braniff, Magic, Wilson, Clarke etc? It's not.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 03/05/2017 00:11:45
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What is the standard, and number of hurling clubs etc. that London pick their players from, I'm aware that they are at the bottom of 2A on 1 point, Roscommon are on the bottom of 2B with 0 points, very little between them, hardly 0-23.
Kildare are joint second from the top of 2A on 7 points, Wicklow are second from the top of 2B on 8 points, yet Wicklow beat Kildare in their own back yard 3-18 to 2-19
The same Wicklow team second from the top in 2B came out and beat London in 2A 0-17 to 0-16, back to Roscommon, even allowing for the fact that London would beat them, do you not think that thing called passion would have helped them in no small way to keeping the final score to single figures like those mentioned in this post.
Yes I am aware that Down won the CR Cup final in 2013 on the fourth attempt, not bad going, that win qualified them to play in the senior hurling championship the following year. I thought it a bit interesting that in 1993 Down senior hurlers beat Kilkenny senior hurlers in a div 1 game, question, is there any team in Div 2A or 2B today, excluding Down that can say they beat Kilkenny in a senior hurling Div. 1 game.
If I was managing a team in the CR competition this Saturday I would give that team the same respect as I would give Mayo, Roscommon, Down, or Kilkenny, we are after all comparing results in the CR comp. not where teams are placed in the NHL divisions, but seeing as some posters brought it into the debate, so be it.
Can I suggest, Roscommon, Down, Mayo, and London, are in the CR comp. on merit not on sympathy votes or by default, they are made of better stuff than that, Carlow may have beaten Mayo by 0-23 but I have already forgotten that, it's the next game I would be thinking about, not to mention the Down v London game, - - - - and who know's I might even make that one.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 03/05/2017 09:01:39
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Replying To supersub15: "What is the standard, and number of hurling clubs etc. that London pick their players from, I'm aware that they are at the bottom of 2A on 1 point, Roscommon are on the bottom of 2B with 0 points, very little between them, hardly 0-23.
Kildare are joint second from the top of 2A on 7 points, Wicklow are second from the top of 2B on 8 points, yet Wicklow beat Kildare in their own back yard 3-18 to 2-19
The same Wicklow team second from the top in 2B came out and beat London in 2A 0-17 to 0-16, back to Roscommon, even allowing for the fact that London would beat them, do you not think that thing called passion would have helped them in no small way to keeping the final score to single figures like those mentioned in this post.
Yes I am aware that Down won the CR Cup final in 2013 on the fourth attempt, not bad going, that win qualified them to play in the senior hurling championship the following year. I thought it a bit interesting that in 1993 Down senior hurlers beat Kilkenny senior hurlers in a div 1 game, question, is there any team in Div 2A or 2B today, excluding Down that can say they beat Kilkenny in a senior hurling Div. 1 game.
If I was managing a team in the CR competition this Saturday I would give that team the same respect as I would give Mayo, Roscommon, Down, or Kilkenny, we are after all comparing results in the CR comp. not where teams are placed in the NHL divisions, but seeing as some posters brought it into the debate, so be it.
Can I suggest, Roscommon, Down, Mayo, and London, are in the CR comp. on merit not on sympathy votes or by default, they are made of better stuff than that, Carlow may have beaten Mayo by 0-23 but I have already forgotten that, it's the next game I would be thinking about, not to mention the Down v London game, - - - - and who know's I might even make that one." Wicklow hurlers seem to be a big surprise to everyone this year but the reasoning is quite simple. Last year we had a disastrous year due to a poor management setup and we suffered because of that. This year we have a very respected manager and coach. Some PR was done and we had 40 lads on the panel training in January and a plan for the year. We are now back beating teams that we used to be competitive with (except Meath!). The CR semi-final will be a very tough match and I think it will be close. We may not be at the level of Carlow/Antrim yet but that is the goal.
liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 175 - 03/05/2017 09:55:00
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Replying To supersub15: "What is the standard, and number of hurling clubs etc. that London pick their players from, I'm aware that they are at the bottom of 2A on 1 point, Roscommon are on the bottom of 2B with 0 points, very little between them, hardly 0-23.
Kildare are joint second from the top of 2A on 7 points, Wicklow are second from the top of 2B on 8 points, yet Wicklow beat Kildare in their own back yard 3-18 to 2-19
The same Wicklow team second from the top in 2B came out and beat London in 2A 0-17 to 0-16, back to Roscommon, even allowing for the fact that London would beat them, do you not think that thing called passion would have helped them in no small way to keeping the final score to single figures like those mentioned in this post.
Yes I am aware that Down won the CR Cup final in 2013 on the fourth attempt, not bad going, that win qualified them to play in the senior hurling championship the following year. I thought it a bit interesting that in 1993 Down senior hurlers beat Kilkenny senior hurlers in a div 1 game, question, is there any team in Div 2A or 2B today, excluding Down that can say they beat Kilkenny in a senior hurling Div. 1 game.
If I was managing a team in the CR competition this Saturday I would give that team the same respect as I would give Mayo, Roscommon, Down, or Kilkenny, we are after all comparing results in the CR comp. not where teams are placed in the NHL divisions, but seeing as some posters brought it into the debate, so be it.
Can I suggest, Roscommon, Down, Mayo, and London, are in the CR comp. on merit not on sympathy votes or by default, they are made of better stuff than that, Carlow may have beaten Mayo by 0-23 but I have already forgotten that, it's the next game I would be thinking about, not to mention the Down v London game, - - - - and who know's I might even make that one." is there any team in Div 2A or 2B today, excluding Down that can say they beat Kilkenny in a senior hurling Div. 1 game.
Im sure antrim have at some stage, certainly have beaten them in the walsh cup
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 03/05/2017 10:01:21
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Replying To supersub15: "What is the standard, and number of hurling clubs etc. that London pick their players from, I'm aware that they are at the bottom of 2A on 1 point, Roscommon are on the bottom of 2B with 0 points, very little between them, hardly 0-23.
Kildare are joint second from the top of 2A on 7 points, Wicklow are second from the top of 2B on 8 points, yet Wicklow beat Kildare in their own back yard 3-18 to 2-19
The same Wicklow team second from the top in 2B came out and beat London in 2A 0-17 to 0-16, back to Roscommon, even allowing for the fact that London would beat them, do you not think that thing called passion would have helped them in no small way to keeping the final score to single figures like those mentioned in this post.
Yes I am aware that Down won the CR Cup final in 2013 on the fourth attempt, not bad going, that win qualified them to play in the senior hurling championship the following year. I thought it a bit interesting that in 1993 Down senior hurlers beat Kilkenny senior hurlers in a div 1 game, question, is there any team in Div 2A or 2B today, excluding Down that can say they beat Kilkenny in a senior hurling Div. 1 game.
If I was managing a team in the CR competition this Saturday I would give that team the same respect as I would give Mayo, Roscommon, Down, or Kilkenny, we are after all comparing results in the CR comp. not where teams are placed in the NHL divisions, but seeing as some posters brought it into the debate, so be it.
Can I suggest, Roscommon, Down, Mayo, and London, are in the CR comp. on merit not on sympathy votes or by default, they are made of better stuff than that, Carlow may have beaten Mayo by 0-23 but I have already forgotten that, it's the next game I would be thinking about, not to mention the Down v London game, - - - - and who know's I might even make that one." is there any team in Div 2A or 2B today, excluding Down that can say they beat Kilkenny in a senior hurling Div. 1 game.
Wicklow drew with Galway in the 1971 NHL in Portumna:
[url=]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971%E2%80%9372_National_Hurling_League
How about that?!
liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 175 - 03/05/2017 10:14:07
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Roscommon beat Wexford in the NHL in the late 70's or early 80's.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 03/05/2017 13:13:05
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Not to mention Kerry beating Waterford in Munster Championship in the early '90's!!!
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 03/05/2017 13:14:41
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In 1995 Meath beat 1994 All Ireland champions Offaly and 1996 Champions Wexford in the league, but I've never heard even the most fevered Meath hurling fan use that as evidence that we would win any game 22 years later!
The logic that "London are second bottom of 2A, Roscommon are bottom of 2B, not much between them" is a bit ridiculous. Clare are 2nd bottom of 1A and Laois are bottom of 1B. Less than a year ago they met in the championship and Clare won by 35 points, such is the gap between divisions.
London are a solid Christy Ring county, while Roscommon spent years losing to Tyrone, Donegal and Louth in the Nicky Rackard before going up 2 years ago. Last year Roscommon beat a Derry team who lost every game they played (league and championship) in 2016. That game was on the 23rd of April 2016, and Roscommon haven't won a game since!
CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1643 - 03/05/2017 13:42:40
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Ah, lad's, lad's lads' and perhaps ladies, your all going off in a tangent and losing your focus, there's a couple of things here, 1. I said the shock of the day was London hammering Roscommon, I never mentioned beating them and there is a difference, a big one, what I also said was, "In a nut shell, for a variety of reasons London are not as privileged as most teams back home, including Donegal, Tyrone and Roscommon, that add's to the shock", it also explains why they are threatened with relegation.
2. Another poster asked, "Why would that be considered a shock? I'd have thought Tyrone beating Donegal was more notable"
Yes , it was probably notable, but not a shock..
3. Another poster asked, "I'd love to know who thought Down were dark horses in the Christy Ring. They are in a lower league division than Kildare, London, Carlow, Armagh and Antrim. They also lost by 7 and 20 points in the league to Wicklow and Meath".
He also pointed out that, "The logic that London are second bottom of 2A, Roscommon are bottom of 2B, not much between them is a bit ridiculous. Clare are 2nd bottom of 1A and Laois are bottom of 1B. Less than a year ago they met in the championship and Clare won by 35 points, such is the gap between divisions.
There's no comparison between Liam Mc Carthy partisipants and Christy Ring partisipants, Laois I thought would have reminded you of that recently.
4.Down are 3rd in the table on 6 pts, Derry are in 4th spot on 4 pts, so does that say Derry hurling should be dismissed more so than Down. So now I"ll ask the same question, " is there any team in Div 2A or 2B today, excluding Down that can say they beat Kilkenny in a senior hurling Div. 1 game.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 03/05/2017 20:01:19
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This issue of bringing in outside players to play for kildare has come back to haunt them and rightly so.....3 chose club commitments in their own counties over lining out for kildare in an all or nothing had to win game v carlow and were soundly defeated. This will have to stop this method joe quaid brought in as in the long run kildare hurling is suffering because these players didnt show, much respect for their adopted county. These 3 should not b allowed play for kildare anymore simple as that as obviously they couldn't care less to begin with.
preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 06/05/2017 18:16:40
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Replying To preddan: "This issue of bringing in outside players to play for kildare has come back to haunt them and rightly so.....3 chose club commitments in their own counties over lining out for kildare in an all or nothing had to win game v carlow and were soundly defeated. This will have to stop this method joe quaid brought in as in the long run kildare hurling is suffering because these players didnt show, much respect for their adopted county. These 3 should not b allowed play for kildare anymore simple as that as obviously they couldn't care less to begin with." I agree totally Preddan.Pure short- termism on Quaid's part. Absolutely does nothing for hurling in Kildare and those boys really showed their true colours today. Very poor form.
dead_as_dodos (Carlow) - Posts: 459 - 06/05/2017 18:37:35
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Replying To keeper7: "Roscommon beat Wexford in the NHL in the late 70's or early 80's." Roscommon and Wexford have only met once in the league in hurling:
20/October/1985- Enniscorthy, Div.2
Wexford 8-11
Roscommon 1-6
I think you must be thinking of someone else!
extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 06/05/2017 20:00:15
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Replying To preddan: "This issue of bringing in outside players to play for kildare has come back to haunt them and rightly so.....3 chose club commitments in their own counties over lining out for kildare in an all or nothing had to win game v carlow and were soundly defeated. This will have to stop this method joe quaid brought in as in the long run kildare hurling is suffering because these players didnt show, much respect for their adopted county. These 3 should not b allowed play for kildare anymore simple as that as obviously they couldn't care less to begin with." In fairness now I think most GAA players would choose club championshipover county any day whether they're adoptive county or not.
Without the three lads it's one shocking poor Kildare panel. Need to get all top players back for next season. Good luck to Carlow.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1898 - 06/05/2017 22:12:46
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Replying To extranjero: "Roscommon and Wexford have only met once in the league in hurling:
20/October/1985- Enniscorthy, Div.2
Wexford 8-11
Roscommon 1-6
I think you must be thinking of someone else!" Roscommon senior hurlers defeated Wexford's Senior hurlers 3-5 to 2-7 in the first round of the Centenary Cup in 1984 in Athleague. They were subsequently beaten 3-18 to 1-8 by Cork in round two who went in to win it out beating Laois in the final in Croke Park.
salvador (Roscommon) - Posts: 439 - 06/05/2017 22:24:53
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Replying To extranjero: "Roscommon and Wexford have only met once in the league in hurling:
20/October/1985- Enniscorthy, Div.2
Wexford 8-11
Roscommon 1-6
I think you must be thinking of someone else!" It was Clare they beat. Oops!
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 07/05/2017 12:33:44
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