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Who has ever attacked the GAA over alcohol sponsorship? Perhaps the odd poor quality journalist like himself made an article of it when they had nothing else during the off season . Hook did the same re rugby alcohol sponsorship. Seems some here just want to play the victim all the time
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 23/11/2016 18:25:10
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Replying To bad.monkey: "Who has ever attacked the GAA over alcohol sponsorship? Perhaps the odd poor quality journalist like himself made an article of it when they had nothing else during the off season . Hook did the same re rugby alcohol sponsorship. Seems some here just want to play the victim all the time" The IMO have said a few things about it. But stone wall silence when it comes to the rugby alcohol sponsorship. At one stage we had a cider league, a stout Autumn series ( that's in winter!!!) and the beer cup.
Bain (Donegal) - Posts: 470 - 23/11/2016 19:19:03
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Replying To Bain: "The IMO have said a few things about it. But stone wall silence when it comes to the rugby alcohol sponsorship. At one stage we had a cider league, a stout Autumn series ( that's in winter!!!) and the beer cup." And just one of those three were under the inluence of the IRFU.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 23/11/2016 20:22:03
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"So why the double standards? Where are the many doctors and others who had plenty to say about the GAA, yet appear tongue-tied when it comes to rugby?"
Most of the doctors complaining probably played rugby. And no rugby journalist will highlight the issue. In fact, the first thing the Indo wrote about our RWC bid was how much the GAA potentially stood to make from it. You never hear about the IRFU's bonanzas.
Just to clarify, I'm not anti-rugby I just feel strongly about the prevailing imbalance.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 23/11/2016 21:26:11
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Are posters on a GAA forum seriously questioning why reactions to the GAA being sponsored by alcoholic drink companies received more criticism than when rugby do the same?
Ever stop to think that it might have something to do with the fact that the GAA prides itself on promoing an anti-alcohol policy while the IRFU/IRB dont?
Think of your local club - they mist likely have a 'local' where events are held (and indeed p***-ups after games), many even have a bar in their clubhouse and their jerseys sponsored by Paddy's bar. I'm not for a second saying there's anything wrong with that, but the GAA does need to drop the pretense if its to avoid being questioned about where it gets its sponsorship.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 24/11/2016 08:58:13
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Replying To cavanman47: "Are posters on a GAA forum seriously questioning why reactions to the GAA being sponsored by alcoholic drink companies received more criticism than when rugby do the same?
Ever stop to think that it might have something to do with the fact that the GAA prides itself on promoing an anti-alcohol policy while the IRFU/IRB dont?
Think of your local club - they mist likely have a 'local' where events are held (and indeed p***-ups after games), many even have a bar in their clubhouse and their jerseys sponsored by Paddy's bar. I'm not for a second saying there's anything wrong with that, but the GAA does need to drop the pretense if its to avoid being questioned about where it gets its sponsorship." Dead right, drop the pretence. Funding clubs is a full time job, this double standard is just an impediment to raising much needed funds that could be used in so many positive ways - facilities, coaching, player care, running more teams - that would all do more to keep lads and lassies engaged with sport and focused on their health. A good knock on from that would be a more balanced view on consumption of the (demon) drink.
This pretence, along with 'drink bans' for teams just shows up an infantile approach to the entire subject. Maybe Rugby bosses just take the view that their players and supporters are adults and can make their own decisions without rugby playing the nanny.
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 24/11/2016 10:24:44
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Replying To himachechy: "Dead right, drop the pretence. Funding clubs is a full time job, this double standard is just an impediment to raising much needed funds that could be used in so many positive ways - facilities, coaching, player care, running more teams - that would all do more to keep lads and lassies engaged with sport and focused on their health. A good knock on from that would be a more balanced view on consumption of the (demon) drink.
This pretence, along with 'drink bans' for teams just shows up an infantile approach to the entire subject. Maybe Rugby bosses just take the view that their players and supporters are adults and can make their own decisions without rugby playing the nanny." Funding clubs is a fulltime job done by volunteers.
Top brass are paid but don't seem to be accountable to anyone. Thousands of empty seats at championship games in stadia that are part-funded by taxpayers money. A few thousand extra seats sold would bring cash to the GAA, money in the tills of local businesses and VAT paid to government.
If your club had a big game in a 1000 capacity ground they'd look into filling it and healthy and safety guidelines into putting a few hundred more in a temporary stand. Top brass seem to think getting more people going to games is a waste of their valuable time.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 24/11/2016 12:26:31
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A lot of big GAA clubs run a good profit from their club bars
valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 24/11/2016 18:49:59
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http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=263576
Good info to promote for all young GAA people..
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 24/11/2016 20:09:02
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Replying To bad.monkey: "http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=263576
Good info to promote for all young GAA people.." link
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 24/11/2016 20:10:48
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Funding clubs is a fulltime job done by volunteers.
Top brass are paid but don't seem to be accountable to anyone. Thousands of empty seats at championship games in stadia that are part-funded by taxpayers money. A few thousand extra seats sold would bring cash to the GAA, money in the tills of local businesses and VAT paid to government.
If your club had a big game in a 1000 capacity ground they'd look into filling it and healthy and safety guidelines into putting a few hundred more in a temporary stand. Top brass seem to think getting more people going to games is a waste of their valuable time." What I find objectionable is being told that should Carlow beat Wexford they then go on to play Dublin witch should be a home venue for Carlow but because the venue is not fit for purpose so O'Moore park is now the venue, contrary to what you might thing I'm not picking holes in this or begrudging portlaois of the game it's just that, it's not every day we get a chance to play the current All Ireland champions in our own Net Watch Cullen Park, which I think by the way is a magnificent venue, could the same thing happen again next year, along with that there are other crowd pulling counties that Carlow could be drawn against in the qualifiers that would deprive them of a home game. In the unlikely event that we were drawn against say Mayo and in theory it should be a home game for Carlow where would that game be played, the reason I'm putting in those scenarios is just to get my point across.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 24/11/2016 21:38:21
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Replying To supersub15: "What I find objectionable is being told that should Carlow beat Wexford they then go on to play Dublin witch should be a home venue for Carlow but because the venue is not fit for purpose so O'Moore park is now the venue, contrary to what you might thing I'm not picking holes in this or begrudging portlaois of the game it's just that, it's not every day we get a chance to play the current All Ireland champions in our own Net Watch Cullen Park, which I think by the way is a magnificent venue, could the same thing happen again next year, along with that there are other crowd pulling counties that Carlow could be drawn against in the qualifiers that would deprive them of a home game. In the unlikely event that we were drawn against say Mayo and in theory it should be a home game for Carlow where would that game be played, the reason I'm putting in those scenarios is just to get my point across." It should be in Carlow but we both know they'd hold it in a bigger venue because we'd bring bigger support. I don't the decision makers in the GAA give a flying **** about the so-called lesser counties. They don't want to try and raise their standards. They're happy raking in the cash from stronger counties and are happy that there's a widening gulf in standards between the top and bottom.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 24/11/2016 23:17:39
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Replying To cavanman47: "Are posters on a GAA forum seriously questioning why reactions to the GAA being sponsored by alcoholic drink companies received more criticism than when rugby do the same?
Ever stop to think that it might have something to do with the fact that the GAA prides itself on promoing an anti-alcohol policy while the IRFU/IRB dont?
Think of your local club - they mist likely have a 'local' where events are held (and indeed p***-ups after games), many even have a bar in their clubhouse and their jerseys sponsored by Paddy's bar. I'm not for a second saying there's anything wrong with that, but the GAA does need to drop the pretense if its to avoid being questioned about where it gets its sponsorship." yes but why arent you addressing the double standard by those in the media?..again you are focusing on what the gaa do to deflect from the bias in the media
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 25/11/2016 00:54:12
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Replying To bad.monkey: "http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=263576
Good info to promote for all young GAA people.." You do know that's a private business & not a GAA club, right?
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 25/11/2016 02:47:12
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Replying To supersub15: "What I find objectionable is being told that should Carlow beat Wexford they then go on to play Dublin witch should be a home venue for Carlow but because the venue is not fit for purpose so O'Moore park is now the venue, contrary to what you might thing I'm not picking holes in this or begrudging portlaois of the game it's just that, it's not every day we get a chance to play the current All Ireland champions in our own Net Watch Cullen Park, which I think by the way is a magnificent venue, could the same thing happen again next year, along with that there are other crowd pulling counties that Carlow could be drawn against in the qualifiers that would deprive them of a home game. In the unlikely event that we were drawn against say Mayo and in theory it should be a home game for Carlow where would that game be played, the reason I'm putting in those scenarios is just to get my point across."
Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 271 - 25/11/2016 10:04:40
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Replying To supersub15: "What I find objectionable is being told that should Carlow beat Wexford they then go on to play Dublin witch should be a home venue for Carlow but because the venue is not fit for purpose so O'Moore park is now the venue, contrary to what you might thing I'm not picking holes in this or begrudging portlaois of the game it's just that, it's not every day we get a chance to play the current All Ireland champions in our own Net Watch Cullen Park, which I think by the way is a magnificent venue, could the same thing happen again next year, along with that there are other crowd pulling counties that Carlow could be drawn against in the qualifiers that would deprive them of a home game. In the unlikely event that we were drawn against say Mayo and in theory it should be a home game for Carlow where would that game be played, the reason I'm putting in those scenarios is just to get my point across." DCP as I know it is a fine venue no doubt, not fit for purpose meant it wouldn't be able to cope with the expected crowd, not sure about that because Carlow supporters might stay away in protest and the dubs (lets be honest about this) may see it as a walk in the park so they might not travel in the usual numbers.
If theres any grounds that's not fit for purpose it's our own st. conleths county grounds here in the centre of newbridge. Eg obstructing traffic and business on big match days, limited parking unless you park in the whitewater s/c, primitive facilities, we're being told its in line for a revamp but we were told that after the '98 & '00 all Ireland finals.
In your case its unlikely carlow will ever get a home game should you be drawn against a bigger named county. Keep the faith.
Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 271 - 25/11/2016 10:08:01
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Replying To alano12: "yes but why arent you addressing the double standard by those in the media?..again you are focusing on what the gaa do to deflect from the bias in the media" Perhaps those in the media prefer rugby to GAA. Or maybe rugby marketeers are persuading them to write good news stories about rugby and not so good stories about GAA. Even the tone of an article 'a robust game between Mayo and Dublin' makes it seem like a good tough physical encounter. Wheras a more tabloidy, bad news story writer , will describe it as 'violent scenes in Croke Park' and ramp it up like it was a bloodbath while it was barely handbags.
If a rugby writer reports on an allegedly high tackle it looks violent in a GAA context. But if a player's head is waist level of a the man tackling it's usually not even a foul in rugby. Probably a red card in GAA. Gouging, illegal stamping, other violence in rugby should get the full punishment and any negative press it deserves. But comparing some bad news stories from GAA and Rugby matches is not comparing like with like. The purpose of rugby is to try and win by skilful means but also hurt and physically intimidate your opponent to help you do so. A rugby ref will let a lot of stuff go that would get a gaelic footballer or hurler sent off. A lot of the game is based on cheating. GAA is based on skills, some physical intimidation and less cheating.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 25/11/2016 11:10:03
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Perhaps those in the media prefer rugby to GAA. Or maybe rugby marketeers are persuading them to write good news stories about rugby and not so good stories about GAA. Even the tone of an article 'a robust game between Mayo and Dublin' makes it seem like a good tough physical encounter. Wheras a more tabloidy, bad news story writer , will describe it as 'violent scenes in Croke Park' and ramp it up like it was a bloodbath while it was barely handbags.
If a rugby writer reports on an allegedly high tackle it looks violent in a GAA context. But if a player's head is waist level of a the man tackling it's usually not even a foul in rugby. Probably a red card in GAA. Gouging, illegal stamping, other violence in rugby should get the full punishment and any negative press it deserves. But comparing some bad news stories from GAA and Rugby matches is not comparing like with like. The purpose of rugby is to try and win by skilful means but also hurt and physically intimidate your opponent to help you do so. A rugby ref will let a lot of stuff go that would get a gaelic footballer or hurler sent off. A lot of the game is based on cheating. GAA is based on skills, some physical intimidation and less cheating." There's skills in rugby?????
Hahahaha
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/11/2016 19:47:24
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Replying To hill16no1man: "There's skills in rugby?????
Hahahaha" There are. Not comparable to Gaelic Foitball and never will be comparable to Hurling, no sport is. Next time you're in Limerick go and look.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 25/11/2016 21:55:20
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Perhaps those in the media prefer rugby to GAA. Or maybe rugby marketeers are persuading them to write good news stories about rugby and not so good stories about GAA. Even the tone of an article 'a robust game between Mayo and Dublin' makes it seem like a good tough physical encounter. Wheras a more tabloidy, bad news story writer , will describe it as 'violent scenes in Croke Park' and ramp it up like it was a bloodbath while it was barely handbags.
If a rugby writer reports on an allegedly high tackle it looks violent in a GAA context. But if a player's head is waist level of a the man tackling it's usually not even a foul in rugby. Probably a red card in GAA. Gouging, illegal stamping, other violence in rugby should get the full punishment and any negative press it deserves. But comparing some bad news stories from GAA and Rugby matches is not comparing like with like. The purpose of rugby is to try and win by skilful means but also hurt and physically intimidate your opponent to help you do so. A rugby ref will let a lot of stuff go that would get a gaelic footballer or hurler sent off. A lot of the game is based on cheating. GAA is based on skills, some physical intimidation and less cheating." i think we know the answer to that greenandred..just i take issue with others not owning up to it and consistently trying to deflect from the issue
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/11/2016 01:56:56
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