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Gooch on Tyrone

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Why do people get so worked up over autobiographies?
They rarely have decent insight as players don't want break the dressing room omerta.
Philly McMahon's book is the first one in ages I'm looking forward cos it probably won't have clickbait pieces like this which all gaa autobiographies have to boost sales.

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 03/10/2017 15:24:39    2052734

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Poor aul Kerry"
Yerra Yerra Breff, the poor Kingdom battling against all the odds!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 03/10/2017 17:19:01    2052764

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Like it or not its rough -house tactics by tyrone.
Most teams in the North knew they hadnt the footballing ability to oust kerry back then so they used rough tactics to gain the edge which worked.
Kodus to them ,
Youve got to do what you got to do in order to win.

Vishred (Mayo) - Posts: 303 - 03/10/2017 17:21:41    2052766

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "We defeated Tyrone many times in the league in the naughties username.

Maybe you mean we didn't beat them in our 3 meetings in the championship at that time. And how many times did Dublin beat Tyrone in the naughties?"
We had a better record than Kerry did against the great Tyrone team of the 00s.

Pillar Caffrey and his merry band of lads brought Tyrone to a replay in 2005!

Kerry never got that close.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 03/10/2017 17:22:38    2052767

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Yerra Yerra Breff, the poor Kingdom battling against all the odds!"
An inspiration to us all, the mighty ducks of the GAA.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12116 - 03/10/2017 17:39:47    2052769

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Replying To Superglue:  "Why do people get so worked up over autobiographies?
They rarely have decent insight as players don't want break the dressing room omerta.
Philly McMahon's book is the first one in ages I'm looking forward cos it probably won't have clickbait pieces like this which all gaa autobiographies have to boost sales."
Dead right, who gives a toss, either read or don't!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8586 - 03/10/2017 17:40:10    2052770

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An inspiration to us all, the mighty ducks of the GAA.
Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:11315 - 03/10/2017 17:39:47

They are indeed.

Things have gotten so bad down there that their former players have to go round cap in hand to gather funds just to keep a roof over their heads.....

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 03/10/2017 18:07:59    2052776

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Very honest of you Getoverthebar.

Tyrone were a great side, didn't like some of the off the ball stuff from them mind but the present Dub side are doing the same stuff and no one seems to mind.

Havn't picked up the book yet, any good?

I finished Donal MacAnallen's book about his bother last week. It was powerful stuff, I'd recommend it highly."
You just can't help yourself Hermit! Bringing Dublin into it!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 03/10/2017 18:15:37    2052778

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Replying To Vishred:  "Like it or not its rough -house tactics by tyrone.
Most teams in the North knew they hadnt the footballing ability to oust kerry back then so they used rough tactics to gain the edge which worked.
Kodus to them ,
Youve got to do what you got to do in order to win."
What's your theory on how Tyrone won in 2008? Weren't many incidents of note in the final that year.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 03/10/2017 19:15:15    2052795

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I think for a finish that Tyrone team had Kerry well and truly bamboozled.They wanted to beat them so badly they were near bet before the throw in.
Even afterwards when they bet a different Tyrone team ( down in Killarney I think it was ) the players and supporters were celebrating like they'd won the all ireland and it was only a league game.
Gooch has clear memories of his encounters with that side I'd say like a lot of the kerry side of the Noughties.
He seems mad for cash alright and I never taught he would be one to go after it in such a bald headed way. Between books and testimonials he'll be like Baron greenback by Christmas.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 03/10/2017 19:28:24    2052798

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "One incident? Just like when kev mac skint Aidan O Mahony in the '15 final and Aidan blantantly brought kev down and got a black card?

Or in the 07 semi final when Shane Ryan was cynically fouled when through on goal by a Kerry defender?

Give over the bs I don't like seeing cynical play either but every team does it , Mayo in '12 were shocking every team does it."
Shane Ryan was fouled by Kieran Donaghy in 07 and yes you're right it was a cynical act clon.

I don't think there are any Kerry posters disagreeing that we are cynical, of course we are.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 03/10/2017 19:38:43    2052804

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Replying To catch22:  "I think for a finish that Tyrone team had Kerry well and truly bamboozled.They wanted to beat them so badly they were near bet before the throw in.
Even afterwards when they bet a different Tyrone team ( down in Killarney I think it was ) the players and supporters were celebrating like they'd won the all ireland and it was only a league game.
Gooch has clear memories of his encounters with that side I'd say like a lot of the kerry side of the Noughties.
He seems mad for cash alright and I never taught he would be one to go after it in such a bald headed way. Between books and testimonials he'll be like Baron greenback by Christmas."
At least get your facts right. 2012 was a Championship match, Kerry's record v Tyrone since 1986 in the Championship is played 6, won 3, lost 3.

They got the better of us in a couple of finals and fair play to them, in the long run Kerry have seen them off.

Dublin have had the better of us in two finals as well recently, I'm confident that in the long run we will see them off too.

I am surprised that so many Dublin posters are still trying to peddle the argument that their team isn't one of the most cynical that we have seen.
The final moments of this year's final speak for themselves and thankfully at least some of the media have finally woken up to it. Because that wasn't some heat of the moment stuff, that was premeditated tactics. Anyway they have their 3 in a row now and I'm sure to most of them the ends justify the means. Kerry are no angels sometimes but we never pretended to be. So to those Dublin supporters out there, can you park the BS and admit to what has played out in front of your own eyes.

The GAA need to seriously take a look at where the game is going at the minute. Ditching the black card nonsense and reintroducing the sin bin would seem the most logical course in that regard.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 03/10/2017 20:17:01    2052820

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Great another thread ruined by the Dublin/Kerry BS Brigade. We are actually going back to 2007 to prove which team is more or less cynical. Get over your selves lad.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 03/10/2017 20:33:48    2052826

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Replying To TheHermit:  "At least get your facts right. 2012 was a Championship match, Kerry's record v Tyrone since 1986 in the Championship is played 6, won 3, lost 3.

They got the better of us in a couple of finals and fair play to them, in the long run Kerry have seen them off.

Dublin have had the better of us in two finals as well recently, I'm confident that in the long run we will see them off too.

I am surprised that so many Dublin posters are still trying to peddle the argument that their team isn't one of the most cynical that we have seen.
The final moments of this year's final speak for themselves and thankfully at least some of the media have finally woken up to it. Because that wasn't some heat of the moment stuff, that was premeditated tactics. Anyway they have their 3 in a row now and I'm sure to most of them the ends justify the means. Kerry are no angels sometimes but we never pretended to be. So to those Dublin supporters out there, can you park the BS and admit to what has played out in front of your own eyes.

The GAA need to seriously take a look at where the game is going at the minute. Ditching the black card nonsense and reintroducing the sin bin would seem the most logical course in that regard."
What team do you think play the best style of football in the country mate? Honest question.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 03/10/2017 21:03:38    2052838

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Replying To Vishred:  "Like it or not its rough -house tactics by tyrone.
Most teams in the North knew they hadnt the footballing ability to oust kerry back then so they used rough tactics to gain the edge which worked.
Kodus to them ,
Youve got to do what you got to do in order to win."
I know just imagine what Tyrone could have done if back in the 00's they had supremely talented footballers like Canavan, O'Neill, Cavanagh, McGuigan, Jordan, Hughes, Gormley etc eh.......oh wait........listen to yourself fella to see how ridiculous you sound.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9697 - 03/10/2017 21:30:54    2052848

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It's obvious Cooper does have respect for Tyrone but as one of the fellas in the middle during those years he probably heard and seen stuff the rest of us didn't so if he has his own reasons not to fawn over Tyrone that's his choice.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9697 - 03/10/2017 21:34:30    2052850

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "I know just imagine what Tyrone could have done if back in the 00's they had supremely talented footballers like Canavan, O'Neill, Cavanagh, McGuigan, Jordan, Hughes, Gormley etc eh.......oh wait........listen to yourself fella to see how ridiculous you sound."
Same as Armagh, if maybe they had supremely talented footballers like McConville, McDonnell, Clarke, Marsden etc in their side they could have been a contender? Just as well these Nordies can't play the game.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9697 - 03/10/2017 21:39:52    2052854

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Replying To Vishred:  "Like it or not its rough -house tactics by tyrone.
Most teams in the North knew they hadnt the footballing ability to oust kerry back then so they used rough tactics to gain the edge which worked.
Kodus to them ,
Youve got to do what you got to do in order to win."
I suggest you change the V to a P in your username and that would be most appropriate.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9697 - 03/10/2017 21:42:15    2052856

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "Is he really downing Tyrone for sledging, in the article it says 'Tyrone were pushing the boundaries that year - maybe overstepping them at times - and who could really blame them?'. These books if you don't get some specific details like this can be boring."
reading a phil Collins autobiography at the min, he says at the beginning " some people will agree with it , some will disagree, some will feel let down others will say that's not how I remember it or that's not what happened, but this is the truth of how I remember of it " same as any auto bio bits inserted to sell the book or the banquet, but still there to make it a good payday

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 03/10/2017 21:50:00    2052862

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "
Replying To bdbuddah:  "Is he really downing Tyrone for sledging, in the article it says 'Tyrone were pushing the boundaries that year - maybe overstepping them at times - and who could really blame them?'. These books if you don't get some specific details like this can be boring."
reading a phil Collins autobiography at the min, he says at the beginning " some people will agree with it , some will disagree, some will feel let down others will say that's not how I remember it or that's not what happened, but this is the truth of how I remember of it " same as any auto bio bits inserted to sell the book or the banquet, but still there to make it a good payday"
Wait, What?

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 03/10/2017 21:52:41    2052864

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