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On the rugby anthems thing. I never really understood the playing of both Amhrán na bhFiann and Ireland's Call.
Surely they either just play Ireland's Call (preferably pick a song that isn't aural torture though) or if they are going to play two anthems, just play the two anthems that represent the players and fans, Amhrán na bhFiann and God Save the Queen.
It makes no sense to play one of the respective anthems and not the other, especially when they often play two songs.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 21/11/2016 10:30:59
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Replying To MesAmis: "On the rugby anthems thing. I never really understood the playing of both Amhrán na bhFiann and Ireland's Call.
Surely they either just play Ireland's Call (preferably pick a song that isn't aural torture though) or if they are going to play two anthems, just play the two anthems that represent the players and fans, Amhrán na bhFiann and God Save the Queen.
It makes no sense to play one of the respective anthems and not the other, especially when they often play two songs." What about The Sash that Donal Lenihan used to sing with his Ulster compatriots on Irish duty.Or King Billys on the Wall?
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 21/11/2016 10:43:59
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One thing the GAA can take pride in is their stadia. They are so good at building them that the Rugby lads need them for the Rugby World cup. So well done to the good GAA folk of Castlebar, Galway city and Belfast and Cork. Has a GAA match ever been played in a Rugby or Soccer pitch? I think not. So let us give credit to the Cumann Luas Cleas Gael for this.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts:805 - 20/11/2016 19:41:54 Rugby and soccer stadiums and pitches generally wont be big enough for GAA pitches so not in a lot of cases but there is plenty of grounds where all are played together
One rule I would make is if Ireland play any rugby match on GAA grounds in future the National Anthem from the 2 countries involved be played, that pub song Ireland's wake up call or Ireland's booty call, whatever it's called, should not be played, it's a disgrace to our country, a pub song
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts:762 - 20/11/2016 20:30:55So people who support Ireland from parts of Ulster but are not from the Republic and don't sing Amhran Na Fiann should just have that? No. Thankfully rugby is progressive and has Irelands Call for those who don't see Amhran na Bhfiann as there anything.
It is a terrible song but its meaning is right and it wont ever change
On the rugby anthems thing. I never really understood the playing of both Amhrán na bhFiann and Ireland's Call.
Surely they either just play Ireland's Call (preferably pick a song that isn't aural torture though) or if they are going to play two anthems, just play the two anthems that represent the players and fans, Amhrán na bhFiann and God Save the Queen.
It makes no sense to play one of the respective anthems and not the other, especially when they often play two songs.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:10269 - 21/11/2016 10:30:59They sing Amhran na bhFiann at home games only. Its very simple reason why they sing both at home games. And there is never going to be a situation where GSTQ is used as an irish anthem....
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 21/11/2016 11:32:14
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They sing Amhran na bhFiann at home games only. Its very simple reason why they sing both at home games. And there is never going to be a situation where GSTQ is used as an irish anthem....
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12339 - 21/11/2016 11:32:14
It makes no sense to sing Amhrán na bhFiann and not sing God Save the Queen.
Ireland's Call makes sense as a 'neutral' anthem but only if it is played on it's own.
GSTQ is the anthem for some of the Irish players and fans, it has the same status as Amhrán na bhFiann within the squad and set of supporters. In that it is the anthem of some but not all.
I don't see the logic behind playing one set of supporters/players anthem and then not playing the other one. Especially when they play another song as well in anyways.
What would be so wrong with playing both anthems? Or in only playing Ireland's Call?
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 21/11/2016 12:15:07
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Replying To MesAmis: "They sing Amhran na bhFiann at home games only. Its very simple reason why they sing both at home games. And there is never going to be a situation where GSTQ is used as an irish anthem....
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12339 - 21/11/2016 11:32:14
It makes no sense to sing Amhrán na bhFiann and not sing God Save the Queen.
Ireland's Call makes sense as a 'neutral' anthem but only if it is played on it's own.
GSTQ is the anthem for some of the Irish players and fans, it has the same status as Amhrán na bhFiann within the squad and set of supporters. In that it is the anthem of some but not all.
I don't see the logic behind playing one set of supporters/players anthem and then not playing the other one. Especially when they play another song as well in anyways.
What would be so wrong with playing both anthems? Or in only playing Ireland's Call?" So Mes. .the GAA claims that it is an all Ireland organisation which welcomes all to participate (north first minister regularly invited to games also).
Would you agree that we should play both anthems before intercountry games?
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 21/11/2016 12:44:06
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Replying To MesAmis: "They sing Amhran na bhFiann at home games only. Its very simple reason why they sing both at home games. And there is never going to be a situation where GSTQ is used as an irish anthem....
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12339 - 21/11/2016 11:32:14
It makes no sense to sing Amhrán na bhFiann and not sing God Save the Queen.
Ireland's Call makes sense as a 'neutral' anthem but only if it is played on it's own.
GSTQ is the anthem for some of the Irish players and fans, it has the same status as Amhrán na bhFiann within the squad and set of supporters. In that it is the anthem of some but not all.
I don't see the logic behind playing one set of supporters/players anthem and then not playing the other one. Especially when they play another song as well in anyways.
What would be so wrong with playing both anthems? Or in only playing Ireland's Call?" They should play 'a nation once again', sure who could have a problem with that!!
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 21/11/2016 12:44:13
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So Mes. .the GAA claims that it is an all Ireland organisation which welcomes all to participate (north first minister regularly invited to games also).
Would you agree that we should play both anthems before intercountry games?
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts:2117 - 21/11/2016 12:44:06
If there was significant support and players coming from both communities in the 6 then it would be a question worth asking certainly.
Also the GAA doesn't currently play 2 songs pre game as in rugby where they play a second song to represent those that Amhrán na bhFiann doesn't represent. It doesn't seem to make much sense playing a second song unless it is the actual song that represents those people.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 21/11/2016 13:13:42
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Replying To MesAmis: "They sing Amhran na bhFiann at home games only. Its very simple reason why they sing both at home games. And there is never going to be a situation where GSTQ is used as an irish anthem....
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12339 - 21/11/2016 11:32:14
It makes no sense to sing Amhrán na bhFiann and not sing God Save the Queen.
Ireland's Call makes sense as a 'neutral' anthem but only if it is played on it's own.
GSTQ is the anthem for some of the Irish players and fans, it has the same status as Amhrán na bhFiann within the squad and set of supporters. In that it is the anthem of some but not all.
I don't see the logic behind playing one set of supporters/players anthem and then not playing the other one. Especially when they play another song as well in anyways.
What would be so wrong with playing both anthems? Or in only playing Ireland's Call?" Strange then that Wales & Scotland don't play GSTQ along with their own anthems at home internationals.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 21/11/2016 13:41:35
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Replying To keeper7: " Replying To MesAmis: "They sing Amhran na bhFiann at home games only. Its very simple reason why they sing both at home games. And there is never going to be a situation where GSTQ is used as an irish anthem....
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12339 - 21/11/2016 11:32:14
It makes no sense to sing Amhrán na bhFiann and not sing God Save the Queen.
Ireland's Call makes sense as a 'neutral' anthem but only if it is played on it's own.
GSTQ is the anthem for some of the Irish players and fans, it has the same status as Amhrán na bhFiann within the squad and set of supporters. In that it is the anthem of some but not all.
I don't see the logic behind playing one set of supporters/players anthem and then not playing the other one. Especially when they play another song as well in anyways.
What would be so wrong with playing both anthems? Or in only playing Ireland's Call?" Strange then that Wales & Scotland don't play GSTQ along with their own anthems at home internationals."
When my irishness is recognised and accommodated in Belfast, then I have no problem recognising and accommodating their britishness in Dublin
bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 21/11/2016 14:21:52
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Ireland's call is a pub song, this crape about pleasing a minority who refuse to declare themselves Irish, let them clear off and play for England after all the north is classed as a region not a country, why? Because they have no National Anthem. They play this pub song to please the unionists but when we in Connacht complain about 26 or 27 out of 30 players are from Leinster and Munster nobody bats an eye lid, talk about hypocrisy. Do they listen to the words 'the 4 proud provinces of Ireland' so now the unionists are saying in their song (it's their song, I won't stand to attention for it, I sit down) that they are 1 of the 4 provinces of Ireland, jayses if that's their opinion then what was the troubles all about. Riverdance would be a better tune, at least we could all throw a shape or 2
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 21/11/2016 14:48:19
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Sure politics and sport are never mixed.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 21/11/2016 15:11:38
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Yeah apologies regarding my mistake: it is the Cumann Lúthcleas Gael. The GAA in Irish. It was good of London Irish and Wembley to share their facilities. But Wembley was a long time ago. Only recently Croke park opened up to both Soccer and Rugby. It was right that they did so- and gave a dig out to their neighbours.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 21/11/2016 17:12:40
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Replying To bumpernut: " Replying To keeper7: "[quote=MesAmis: "They sing Amhran na bhFiann at home games only. Its very simple reason why they sing both at home games. And there is never going to be a situation where GSTQ is used as an irish anthem....
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12339 - 21/11/2016 11:32:14
It makes no sense to sing Amhrán na bhFiann and not sing God Save the Queen.
Ireland's Call makes sense as a 'neutral' anthem but only if it is played on it's own.
GSTQ is the anthem for some of the Irish players and fans, it has the same status as Amhrán na bhFiann within the squad and set of supporters. In that it is the anthem of some but not all.
I don't see the logic behind playing one set of supporters/players anthem and then not playing the other one. Especially when they play another song as well in anyways.
What would be so wrong with playing both anthems? Or in only playing Ireland's Call?" Strange then that Wales & Scotland don't play GSTQ along with their own anthems at home internationals."
When my irishness is recognised and accommodated in Belfast, then I have no problem recognising and accommodating their britishness in Dublin"]Good point Bumpernut. If they were to play Amhrann na bhFiann as well as GSTQ in Ravenhill then maybe we could put up with hearing GSTQ getting an airing in Lansdowne. But that kind of reciprocity is never going to happen.
Watched the TV pictures of the Irish players during the 2 home anthems. Practically all the players from the Republic seemed to sing both songs with gusto while the Ulster players appeared to have only marginally more enthusiasm for Ireland's Call than they had for the national anthem. Who could blame them since it doesn't really represent them either and is just a makey up ditty whose sole purpose is to make bland the political issues.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 21/11/2016 20:28:08
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: " Replying To bumpernut: "[quote=keeper7: "[quote=MesAmis: "They sing Amhran na bhFiann at home games only. Its very simple reason why they sing both at home games. And there is never going to be a situation where GSTQ is used as an irish anthem....
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12339 - 21/11/2016 11:32:14
It makes no sense to sing Amhrán na bhFiann and not sing God Save the Queen.
Ireland's Call makes sense as a 'neutral' anthem but only if it is played on it's own.
GSTQ is the anthem for some of the Irish players and fans, it has the same status as Amhrán na bhFiann within the squad and set of supporters. In that it is the anthem of some but not all.
I don't see the logic behind playing one set of supporters/players anthem and then not playing the other one. Especially when they play another song as well in anyways.
What would be so wrong with playing both anthems? Or in only playing Ireland's Call?" Strange then that Wales & Scotland don't play GSTQ along with their own anthems at home internationals."
When my irishness is recognised and accommodated in Belfast, then I have no problem recognising and accommodating their britishness in Dublin"]Good point Bumpernut. If they were to play Amhrann na bhFiann as well as GSTQ in Ravenhill then maybe we could put up with hearing GSTQ getting an airing in Lansdowne. But that kind of reciprocity is never going to happen.
Watched the TV pictures of the Irish players during the 2 home anthems. Practically all the players from the Republic seemed to sing both songs with gusto while the Ulster players appeared to have only marginally more enthusiasm for Ireland's Call than they had for the national anthem. Who could blame them since it doesn't really represent them either and is just a makey up ditty whose sole purpose is to make bland the political issues."]One thing that struck while watching the National Anthems was that the home grown players in the team were singing with far greater gusto than the home grown players on the Republics soccer team do.I find that strange myself.You could also see that the couple of Unionists on the team looked very uncomfortable but it certainly does not affect their performance.I think in fairness only Irelands Call should be played regardless if it is good or bad.Personally I think its all right.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1056 - 21/11/2016 21:49:25
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Replying To janesboro: "One rule I would make is if Ireland play any rugby match on GAA grounds in future the National Anthem from the 2 countries involved be played, that pub song Ireland's wake up call or Ireland's booty call, whatever it's called, should not be played, it's a disgrace to our country, a pub song
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts:762 - 20/11/2016 20:30:55 1
any time ireland played in croke park amhran nabhfiannwas played and it got full respect and nobody started cheering before it ended, doe that always happen at GAA games?" That's probably because nobody was singing it hahahaha you know them d4 types don't speak as gaelige hahahaha and the limerick folk well until eastenders or strictly come dancing mentions it it's classed as useless on shannonside.
I love the build up of tension as the anthem nears an end that leads to an almighty outburst it's part and parcel of a big match atmosphere.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/11/2016 00:00:25
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Replying To gunman: " Replying To PoolSturgeon: "[quote=bumpernut: "[quote=keeper7: "[quote=MesAmis: "They sing Amhran na bhFiann at home games only. Its very simple reason why they sing both at home games. And there is never going to be a situation where GSTQ is used as an irish anthem....
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12339 - 21/11/2016 11:32:14
It makes no sense to sing Amhrán na bhFiann and not sing God Save the Queen.
Ireland's Call makes sense as a 'neutral' anthem but only if it is played on it's own.
GSTQ is the anthem for some of the Irish players and fans, it has the same status as Amhrán na bhFiann within the squad and set of supporters. In that it is the anthem of some but not all.
I don't see the logic behind playing one set of supporters/players anthem and then not playing the other one. Especially when they play another song as well in anyways.
What would be so wrong with playing both anthems? Or in only playing Ireland's Call?" Strange then that Wales & Scotland don't play GSTQ along with their own anthems at home internationals."
When my irishness is recognised and accommodated in Belfast, then I have no problem recognising and accommodating their britishness in Dublin"]Good point Bumpernut. If they were to play Amhrann na bhFiann as well as GSTQ in Ravenhill then maybe we could put up with hearing GSTQ getting an airing in Lansdowne. But that kind of reciprocity is never going to happen.
Watched the TV pictures of the Irish players during the 2 home anthems. Practically all the players from the Republic seemed to sing both songs with gusto while the Ulster players appeared to have only marginally more enthusiasm for Ireland's Call than they had for the national anthem. Who could blame them since it doesn't really represent them either and is just a makey up ditty whose sole purpose is to make bland the political issues."]One thing that struck while watching the National Anthems was that the home grown players in the team were singing with far greater gusto than the home grown players on the Republics soccer team do.I find that strange myself.You could also see that the couple of Unionists on the team looked very uncomfortable but it certainly does not affect their performance.I think in fairness only Irelands Call should be played regardless if it is good or bad.Personally I think its all right."]There's homegrown players in the two of Ireland soccer team? Hahahaha
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/11/2016 00:06:48
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Replying To 11jm11: "If the media in this country get their way rugby will be the no1 sport in the country in ten years. Lets call a spade a spade we won a friendly match against NZ and you'd swear we just won the world cup." there are only 100 rugby clubs in the country, and playing numbers have been falling for two decades since the professional game came in
there are over 2500 GAA clubs
manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 541 - 22/11/2016 08:12:22
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there are only 100 rugby clubs in the country, and playing numbers have been falling for two decades since the professional game came in
there are over 2500 GAA clubs
manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts:398 - 22/11/2016 08:12:22Where are you pulling those figures from? Well more than 100 clubs. At least 200
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/11/2016 09:27:58
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there are only 100 rugby clubs in the country, and playing numbers have been falling for two decades since the professional game came in
there are over 2500 GAA clubs
manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts:398 - 22/11/2016 08:12:22 1935881
does that make gaa better than rugby - no
and worldwide there are more rugby clubs and players than gaa - does that make rugby better than gaa - no
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 22/11/2016 10:09:19
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Any chance we could stop giving rugby any more airtime on here?It's bad enough having it all over the newspapers,radio and tv.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 22/11/2016 10:21:26
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