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You're assuming the majority of Harte's players don't want to say the prayer. Assuming it's imposed. The anthem is a good comparison. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 20/07/2017 15:56:37 2020066 Link 28 |
I'd be fairly confident that Mickey and the management team know these lads well enough on a personal level so as to ascertain if such activities would be upsetting to any of them. You'd be knowing through schools,clubs and parochial relationships if somebody held a different view and I'm sure it would be respected.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 20/07/2017 15:57:18 2020068 Link 1 |
I was thinking the exact same thing.i countered 4 different Facebook articles about it with 100's off comments. It was a comment. He didn't say the whole squad prays. I'm sure if a player was of a different faith something could be sorted out, maybe a time if reflectation. Really not a big deal. No wonder all the interviews are so mundane and boring when this happens. Same thing happened M.Harte last year. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2087 - 20/07/2017 15:59:52 2020071 Link 1 |
Groups are allowed to pray in public outside of churches. At the end of the day a few posters are engaging in anti catholic/anti religious bashing and well they know it. Then saying i'm engaging in hysteria. You're the ones painting the picture of atheists being dragged to the stake and 'forced' to pray. They can practise mindfullness if they want in the group. McNamee also said some go to mass on the Tyrone panel now and again. Not exactly the strict enforcement you fellas are painting. Obviously the majority in the Tyrone group are in favour of the prayer, otherwise it wouldn't work. And yes groups can pray outside church if they wish. They can organise in groups like Aetheism Ireland and express their views. It's called freedom of speech. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 20/07/2017 16:14:02 2020082 Link 28 |
we haven't done more than any of them teams. Few good results doesn't make us world beaters. Kerry and Dublin will always be there... Mayo are still always the bridesmade. We are behind them all in my opinion until the day we are at least in a final again!
GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 20/07/2017 16:20:23 2020086 Link 0 |
Yes and you are assuming that the majority are in favour. My point is why is it even a part of the teams preparations if the approval from all the players is even slightly in doubt. Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 20/07/2017 16:22:25 2020090 Link 2 |
I'd be questioning the aspersion that the worst aspects of Irish life came from faith in god,and its heavy dogma. It is undoubtedly true that the clergy and other religious groups had within them certain individuals that committed heinous acts against the most vulnerable. It is also true that the clergy and all the churches did much good work in Ireland,and abroad as missionaries. It was the instillation of good morals and decency that made Irish people a good and decent people in the past and there is no doubt that increasing secularism has brought with it an increase in crime of all sorts,and a decrease in decency toward each other. The bed rock of this past decency was the moral character of the Irish people that was heavily influenced by their faith. Off course good moral character and decency can be within people of different,and of no faiths,it's just that at present nothing is replacing the role that faith played in the past.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 20/07/2017 16:29:43 2020099 Link 0 |
Well said. The lads are missing this part.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 20/07/2017 16:34:18 2020103 Link 1 |
Aye it's the same every year all year. Everyone was hyping us up last year too. I was actually a bit on the band wagon but Mayo shot us down and who seen that one? Same again this year. Everyone has a Dublin Kerry final eyed up already but what is to say a Tyrone Mayo final won't happen. Apparently last year the real final was Kerry/Dublin until the final actually happened and then everyone realized it was actually a final not a side show .Again people have short memories. Hyping us up for maybe conteders to beat Dublin. No speak of mayo and A Dublin Kerry final already a cert....All on the day. . . Bit of a joke in my opinion... For all we know Roscommon are the real deal the year. I don't even mean that in a joking way. They absolutely annihilated Galway. The Same team who beat Mayo, the all Ireland finalists who forced the Champs to a replay... but that would interfere with a Dub/ Kerry final! Does anyone really know how good they might be. I certainly don't. I mean Leicester city won the Prem league. Sorry , Rant over. GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 20/07/2017 16:37:04 2020105 Link 0 |
Interesting debate guys and has potential to go on forever. I like what tyrone have here and it is working for them. Down could do with some spiritual help....
downtothecore (Down) - Posts: 349 - 20/07/2017 16:43:06 2020112 Link 0 |
I think we answered this very adequately earlier.
Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 20/07/2017 16:57:06 2020122 Link 0 |
Well said Seanie. People tend to forget all the good points Christianity brought to us. After all pagan celtic Ireland involved human sacrificial rites. The message of Christianity was good but people are human and have corrupted it. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 20/07/2017 17:10:49 2020135 Link 28 |
You'f nearly have to assume in favour though Wally. Otherwise it would be a terribly empty gesture for the whole panel.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 20/07/2017 17:12:06 2020136 Link 28 |
The anthem is a very good example. To the protestant (anglican) the queen is head of their state and religion generally. So to stand to attention to an anthem that speaks about standing in the gap of danger against the foreigner (the English) is literally going against their head of religion and head of state. Yet all bar a few Unionists down through the years have stood for the irish anthem, they didn't walk away or turn their back. One can presume for the greater good of their team mates who believed in the anthem. A few like Trevor Ringland voiced objection but never insulted the anthem. Even the infamous DUP member, Davy Tweed, stood for it (after taking Mick Galwey's place as lock!!). Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 20/07/2017 17:20:17 2020143 Link 28 |
Actually the anthem is a bad example for your case. If it was a good one Ireland's Call would never have been written and the anthem would be played at all away games... ...But will Tyrone win Sam this year? I don't think so! PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1898 - 20/07/2017 19:02:27 2020191 Link 0 |
But it's still played at home games, Amhran na Bhfiann! Back on topic. Em no i don't think so. After Kerry they'd be my next bet though. Recent tradition puts them ahead of Mayo for me. Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 20/07/2017 19:15:37 2020195 Link 28 |
What have we done to go ahead of Mayo? seriously? beat a weak Donegal child of a team and a few other Ulster kids.Mayo are the bridesmades of Ireland but they are always there, since 2011 they haven't missed a semi....we are never there ! Until we are frequent...
GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 20/07/2017 20:47:13 2020223 Link 0 |
Nah don't think ye did Wally. And you continue to ask why even bother with such activities if there's even doubt that some player is uncomfortable with it. Well I don't know if any player is uncomfortable Wally,do you? I do know that for years now Mickey Harte has had Fr. Gerard Mc Aleer alongside him as the teams spiritual adviser and that any lad who ever want to kick a ball for Tyrone would know the type of men they were going to be involved with if they were to play for Tyrone.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 20/07/2017 20:53:06 2020225 Link 1 |
So you can't point out where anyone advocated or even implied that people should be banned from praying in public? Sound.
the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 495 - 20/07/2017 21:03:47 2020229 Link 0 |
I'd agree. This Tyrone team clearly has a lot of potential but until they beat a serious All Ireland contender, then they still have it all to prove for me.
the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 495 - 20/07/2017 21:08:11 2020230 Link 0 |