National - Division 2 2017

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Come on the royal county put the bet back on course today, I do believe they had seven players on the pitch at one stage representing the dublin suburbs of ratoath and ashbourne hahahahaha

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:12383 - 12/02/2017 23:27:18   1955808

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good win for my own county today , but really feel for the large Down support that made up probably 1/3 of the attendance in ennis today

there a descent bunch of people they haven't had a competitive inter county win in almost 2 years ,i hope they see one shortly but they are in total transition mode at the moment , only positive from there part was the late scoring surge and the young lads brought off the bench that made a difference ,sadly its hard not to see them get relegated this year though

GameOfThrones (Clare) - Posts:3 - 13/02/2017 00:02:08   1955835

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Derry fans make me laugh. Supported them 30 years and their evermore pessimistic. I went to the fantastic Tipp game last year were we just missed out on being one of the last 8 teams left in pursuit of Sam and looking at today's squad, the team is unrecognisable. Huge influx of u21s in this year due to injuries and the brilliant slaughtneil men being unavailable. I looked at today's squad, my nephew tells me there's about 13 u21s involved in the panel. Where else in Ireland would a county have to deal with this? I would love to know people's expectations of the squad of players that have represented the county this year because I would imagine most people don't consider the circumstances.

I look at Tyrone and (to my regret) see a side that have played together for years, they have big players all over the pitch and the bench, men they can call upon after 5 minutes or 65 minutes and who can slot straight into a system that has been drilled into them over 5/6 years. Micky Harte can afford to bring u21s on after 55/60 mins and these u21s can come into a game environment where their being guided my experienced players e.g. Colm Cavanagh, McMahon, Harte. Unfortunately for Derry they don't have such a luxury and instead these young lads are being made adjust a lot quicker than probably both they and management would like them to, but it's something that has to be dealt with due to different reasons. The key to this is experience. Experience and a system in which players have game time within and consistent exposure to (over a few years) are key components (in my opinion) to allow players and a team to flourish. I don't know many of the young men representing our county today but I would imagine they wouldn't be selected unless deemed 'promising' players, which I'm sure they are. Give these young lads a chance, time, positivity and patience as supporters. I feel that it's what this county so desperately needs if players are to flourish.

I'm just giving my opinion. These lads are amateurs, they give up and time and effort to represent all Derry supporters and they do their best. Let's consider all the obstacles Damian and Co. have had to endure. Let's give them time, allow them to implement their gameplan to a panel which has seen a huge turnover of players within the last 12 months and then, if given time (for once) let's then make judgements of how they perform, thereafter.

DMcLaughlin72 (Derry) - Posts:2 - 13/02/2017 00:42:17   1955849

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Replying To GameOfThrones:  "good win for my own county today , but really feel for the large Down support that made up probably 1/3 of the attendance in ennis today

there a descent bunch of people they haven't had a competitive inter county win in almost 2 years ,i hope they see one shortly but they are in total transition mode at the moment , only positive from there part was the late scoring surge and the young lads brought off the bench that made a difference ,sadly its hard not to see them get relegated this year though"
ya, was takin to a few Down people @ cusack park,
who recalled the one point loss to Cork in the All-Ireland in 2010, they have fallen off the pace big time....
i also can't see Down surviving the drop, with the promoted teams Kildare & Clare topping the Div 2 and the demoted teams last year Cork & Down near the bottom, it is a case of momentum and confidence.... long way to go yet though..

ROG_15 (Clare) - Posts:4 - 13/02/2017 06:50:42   1955860

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Replying To gotmilk:  "You must have been the only person in Brewster to have seen that. The quigley yellow??? What was it for?"
Maybe I was the only one. Plenty around had no idea dissent with foul language is now a black card offence. (Before you say it no I've no idea what was said as it was on the far side of the pitch.) If you look at his reaction he immediately put his hands to his head well before the black card was shown. I'm fairly certain he knew what was coming. Both dressing rooms are being told before the match about the consequences of dissent. If it was a Galway player I'd be fuming too. But at the end of the day players have to take responsibility for their actions too. Refs take a lot of abuse. Anything to help that can only be a plus. Obviously it needs to be consistent. Maybe other players deserved a black for dissent yesterday. I've no idea. The yellow I've no idea. I don't think it's a yellow unless the same player kicks away the ball/fails to release the ball/time wastes twice. I don't think it was his second time. But I couldn't be sure. What affect do you think the yellow had on the game? No idea about the red. Game was over. So it had no affect on the game either but it will for the next if he gets a suspension. Overall I don't think it was a terrible performance by the ref. But again my own team won so it can hard to have a neutral view. At half time I felt we had got nothing. Including what looked a decent shout for a penalty and three close in frees. I don't think I'd go appear as saying the ref was the losing of the game for ye.

SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts:204 - 13/02/2017 08:21:42   1955877

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Walking tall today after an awesome second half display, unexpected after the lesson fermanagh gave us in the first half. Awesome performances from Bradshaw, Conroy, o curraoin, comer, Daly and mchugh. If we beat Clare at home in two weeks, we're outright second at worst. Eoin donnelly must feel like a stupid boy today,he was black carded for verbal abuse after ten minutes, and one minute before, I saw the ref warning him. This was crucial later on as galway scored eight of the last nine points, on the back of total midfield dominance where Conroy, o curraoin and to a lesser extent Flynn marked at will. I don't care what people say, yesterday was one to savour as fermanagh haven't lost at home too often in the Pete McGrath era.

galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts:187 - 13/02/2017 08:47:54   1955885

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Replying To SamandLiamSoon:  "Maybe I was the only one. Plenty around had no idea dissent with foul language is now a black card offence. (Before you say it no I've no idea what was said as it was on the far side of the pitch.) If you look at his reaction he immediately put his hands to his head well before the black card was shown. I'm fairly certain he knew what was coming. Both dressing rooms are being told before the match about the consequences of dissent. If it was a Galway player I'd be fuming too. But at the end of the day players have to take responsibility for their actions too. Refs take a lot of abuse. Anything to help that can only be a plus. Obviously it needs to be consistent. Maybe other players deserved a black for dissent yesterday. I've no idea. The yellow I've no idea. I don't think it's a yellow unless the same player kicks away the ball/fails to release the ball/time wastes twice. I don't think it was his second time. But I couldn't be sure. What affect do you think the yellow had on the game? No idea about the red. Game was over. So it had no affect on the game either but it will for the next if he gets a suspension. Overall I don't think it was a terrible performance by the ref. But again my own team won so it can hard to have a neutral view. At half time I felt we had got nothing. Including what looked a decent shout for a penalty and three close in frees. I don't think I'd go appear as saying the ref was the losing of the game for ye."
Haha thought the same at half time that we had got nothing. Felt we should have had a penalty in the first half too. I honestly think the ref had a massive impact on the game.
We weren't helped in the second half by our keepers kick outs either. Few times players were going short but he wasn't wise enough to pick the short kick. Anyway onwards and upwards. Ideal scenario for me this year was to finish third.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:4368 - 13/02/2017 09:57:38   1955947

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Div 2 as it stands is wide open, as it stands I'd only rule out Down from promotion although although Derry don't look in the best shape after yesterdays results but a win against Kildare the next day and their back in it.

TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts:512 - 13/02/2017 10:25:36   1955981

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Replying To SamandLiamSoon:  "Maybe I was the only one. Plenty around had no idea dissent with foul language is now a black card offence. (Before you say it no I've no idea what was said as it was on the far side of the pitch.) If you look at his reaction he immediately put his hands to his head well before the black card was shown. I'm fairly certain he knew what was coming. Both dressing rooms are being told before the match about the consequences of dissent. If it was a Galway player I'd be fuming too. But at the end of the day players have to take responsibility for their actions too. Refs take a lot of abuse. Anything to help that can only be a plus. Obviously it needs to be consistent. Maybe other players deserved a black for dissent yesterday. I've no idea. The yellow I've no idea. I don't think it's a yellow unless the same player kicks away the ball/fails to release the ball/time wastes twice. I don't think it was his second time. But I couldn't be sure. What affect do you think the yellow had on the game? No idea about the red. Game was over. So it had no affect on the game either but it will for the next if he gets a suspension. Overall I don't think it was a terrible performance by the ref. But again my own team won so it can hard to have a neutral view. At half time I felt we had got nothing. Including what looked a decent shout for a penalty and three close in frees. I don't think I'd go appear as saying the ref was the losing of the game for ye."
From Petes interview it would suggest that he wasn't black carded for dissent.

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=266264

Read today that the ref lived one mile from the Galway Mayo border, although I find that one hard to believe.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:4368 - 13/02/2017 16:40:17   1956260

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Kildare are in a super position,they obviously have 4 point after 2 games,but they also have Down,Derry and Clare to play.They have to fancy at least 4 points from those games,and they could easily get a least one win from the other games too.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:8212 - 13/02/2017 18:12:06   1956303

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Looking at the fixtures remaining you'd fancy Kildare and Galway to go up but long way to go yet. They'll surely be a surprise or two. Galway host Kildare in the final round of fixtures. Both sides could be promoted that day or just one of them.

Marooned (Galway) - Posts:1397 - 13/02/2017 18:48:53   1956316

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Replying To Marooned:  "Looking at the fixtures remaining you'd fancy Kildare and Galway to go up but long way to go yet. They'll surely be a surprise or two. Galway host Kildare in the final round of fixtures. Both sides could be promoted that day or just one of them."
yeah you would fancy both.Galway have to play the 3 weakest teams still.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:8212 - 13/02/2017 19:35:31   1956336

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I still fancy Meath to get promotion, ok Derry were poor. But we were without 5 lads who would easily be starting if not injured or taking week off due to all ire final. Better equipped and you can see a style of play coming together,, best thing was tough fair hits fromeath players , something we haven't seen for many a year.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:11757 - 13/02/2017 19:41:27   1956341

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I still fancy Meath to get promotion, ok Derry were poor. But we were without 5 lads who would easily be starting if not injured or taking week off due to all ire final. Better equipped and you can see a style of play coming together,, best thing was tough fair hits fromeath players , something we haven't seen for many a year."
at the expense of who?

Belclare1 (Galway) - Posts:1015 - 14/02/2017 07:53:42   1956494

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Replying To Belclare1:  "at the expense of who?"
Galway very inconsistent it be Kildare with a toss up between Meath Galway and cork

Kingoreilly (Kildare) - Posts:77 - 14/02/2017 10:53:47   1956567

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Replying To Belclare1:  "at the expense of who?"
Galway very inconsistent it be Kildare with a toss up between Meath Galway and cork

Kingoreilly (Kildare) - Posts:77 - 14/02/2017 11:04:51   1956576

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Replying To Belclare1:  "at the expense of who?"
On a good day Galway are probably the best team in div 2 but they have to many bad days remember all Ireland quarter final

Kingoreilly (Kildare) - Posts:77 - 14/02/2017 11:07:45   1956578

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Replying To Belclare1:  "at the expense of who?"
I wouldnt worry about Meath when it comes to promotion. I'm dreading your lot coming to Navan.

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts:423 - 14/02/2017 11:20:59   1956588

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Replying To Kingoreilly:  "On a good day Galway are probably the best team in div 2 but they have to many bad days remember all Ireland quarter final"
That was last year, fair enough are you looking at last seasons performances if so lets look at Kildare last year.. or is it because ye win two games ye are the best team in the division now! If i were you id keep sctum while the going is good becuase in this division a good run can turn very quick....

Belclare1 (Galway) - Posts:1015 - 14/02/2017 11:34:03   1956593

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Replying To Kingoreilly:  "On a good day Galway are probably the best team in div 2 but they have to many bad days remember all Ireland quarter final"
Remember the U21 All Ireland Semi final in the 2013. Kildare arrived with muscle men (McGeeney prototype footballers) and Galway arrived with footballers, who won that day and then the title. Will you ever stop taking us for granted, did you not learn your lesson in 1998.

GDL (Galway) - Posts:170 - 14/02/2017 12:14:14   1956609

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