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Replying To Whammo86:  "Where did that rant come from.

Anyway there are plenty of well resourced clubs in Dublin, Parnell's, Brigid's, Vincent's, Na Fianna, Kilmacud. Ballymun are due to resurface their Astro pitch to the tune of €200k.
There are also plenty of poorly resourced clubs in other counties.

What was your bloody point, anyway.

The GAA is pretty damn good at getting funding and at putting together facilities for themselves all across the country. You know what, there's nothing wrong with that. They're pretty happy to put money into facilities in Dublin also.

There's also plenty of time and effort spent on coaching outside of Dublin. Not all of it's thrown away on pitches and club houses, which also,by the way, can provide returns on the investment.

Rural GAA clubs are also reliant on having their own facilities as there just aren't council/corporation pitches available to them."
The point is it's constantly thrown that Dublin clubs have state of the art grounds and a wash with money which is ridiculous as most of them clubs you see in Dublin have only got grounds of their own in the last decade never mind covered areas for spectators or electronic scoreboards.
just look at the otherside of the Dublin border in ashbourne they have a state of the art set up grounds. Go the otherside of Dublin to Wicklow side and see the set up bray emmets have in place.
Dublin clubs are only playing catch up when comes to facilities not flush with huge budgets like some outside would love to believe

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/04/2017 07:57:05    1982060

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Two teams awash with great facilities in Dublin ourselves and Thomas Davis are also awash with huge debt , our club trying for two years to negotiate repayments interest only etc pi77 myself laughing at some of the comments

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 24/04/2017 09:39:51    1982095

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "The point is it's constantly thrown that Dublin clubs have state of the art grounds and a wash with money which is ridiculous as most of them clubs you see in Dublin have only got grounds of their own in the last decade never mind covered areas for spectators or electronic scoreboards.
just look at the otherside of the Dublin border in ashbourne they have a state of the art set up grounds. Go the otherside of Dublin to Wicklow side and see the set up bray emmets have in place.
Dublin clubs are only playing catch up when comes to facilities not flush with huge budgets like some outside would love to believe"
Hill did you know Bray Emmetts grounds are in Dublin ? There's a bit of information for ya.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 24/04/2017 09:45:25    1982097

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Two teams awash with great facilities in Dublin ourselves and Thomas Davis are also awash with huge debt , our club trying for two years to negotiate repayments interest only etc pi77 myself laughing at some of the comments"
Same as every club really Damo , Towers the exact same. I think the towers senior players should give back their free Range Rovers they got from the club its crippling us.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 24/04/2017 09:54:38    1982103

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "The point is it's constantly thrown that Dublin clubs have state of the art grounds and a wash with money which is ridiculous as most of them clubs you see in Dublin have only got grounds of their own in the last decade never mind covered areas for spectators or electronic scoreboards.
just look at the otherside of the Dublin border in ashbourne they have a state of the art set up grounds. Go the otherside of Dublin to Wicklow side and see the set up bray emmets have in place.
Dublin clubs are only playing catch up when comes to facilities not flush with huge budgets like some outside would love to believe"
Well why go on the defensive when nobody brought it up here. It's just weird.

The point is about the Dublin championship structure which in my opinion is an absolute disaster. They have some great clubs in Dublin but the structure of the competition is one of the worst around.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 24/04/2017 10:24:17    1982115

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Replying To realman2:  "Well why go on the defensive when nobody brought it up here. It's just weird.

The point is about the Dublin championship structure which in my opinion is an absolute disaster. They have some great clubs in Dublin but the structure of the competition is one of the worst around."
The point was brought up that Dublin clubs work off budgets that country clubs can only envy and I responded to that point which is a myth in itself

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/04/2017 18:59:17    1982321

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On the Dublin championship structure I don't see the problem or the fuss being made just because boden got knocked out. Plunketts and kilmacud crokes have bought suffered first round defeats and went into the b championship over last few years. It's a cut throat championship that's what makes it so competitive with about 8-10 teams capable of winning it.
I think last week's round of fixtures going regardless of under 21s availability is the way forward and should be introduced that championship goes ahead regardless of senior county players availability aswell as I'm sick of people whinging about the club game loosing out and being held up because of the all ireland championship at inter county, simple solution play the club championships in a master fixtures list, this buisness of holding it up for four months or more to facilitate a club that may have one player on county teams is ridiculous, that player is playing away while the other 24 or 25 in the club are made wait for him. If a non county player had a holiday booked for the day of a championship game do you think the county board a would postpone games as quick.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 24/04/2017 19:07:37    1982324

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "The point was brought up that Dublin clubs work off budgets that country clubs can only envy and I responded to that point which is a myth in itself"
He was talking about the county team operating at a different level financially.

I don't agree that it is a myth that Dublin clubs are well resourced. There's a serious number of clubs in Dublin with full size Astro pitches. It's not a recent occurrence either. The bulk of them predate me moving down here. Given the surface on the Ballymun Kickhams one it must be nearly 20 years old.

Donaghmore Ashbourne's facilities are top notch but even they don't have a full size Astro pitch. Those facilities are the best in Meath county and aren't indicative of the general state of facilities. Parnell's facilities are still better than Ashbourne's. Parnell's let Coolock Town soccer club use their Astro for matches. I'm not sure why that doesn't break the GAA's non foreign games rules.

I also don't agree with your take on playing championship without county players. As an active club player I'd much prefer to be playing a championship in which all the top players are available to play. It's not an equivalence to say that clubs can do without a player on holiday, it's that players choice to go on holiday, the Dublin under 21s had a choice forced upon them by scheduling made by their county board whose team they are representing. There's very little need for it. Dublin will only play about 6 or 7 games if they reach the final this year. There are plenty of weekends between now and September to play club championship without clashes. They just choose not to use these weekends because they prioritise the county teams over their club players. That's fine, it's working for them but let's not pretend that isn't what's going on here.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 25/04/2017 06:28:02    1982402

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "On the Dublin championship structure I don't see the problem or the fuss being made just because boden got knocked out. Plunketts and kilmacud crokes have bought suffered first round defeats and went into the b championship over last few years. It's a cut throat championship that's what makes it so competitive with about 8-10 teams capable of winning it.
I think last week's round of fixtures going regardless of under 21s availability is the way forward and should be introduced that championship goes ahead regardless of senior county players availability aswell as I'm sick of people whinging about the club game loosing out and being held up because of the all ireland championship at inter county, simple solution play the club championships in a master fixtures list, this buisness of holding it up for four months or more to facilitate a club that may have one player on county teams is ridiculous, that player is playing away while the other 24 or 25 in the club are made wait for him. If a non county player had a holiday booked for the day of a championship game do you think the county board a would postpone games as quick."
Why should a club be punished and play without their best players after all the years and effort they put in helping them when they were playing up along just because they are deemed good enough to represent their county. What a load of bull. That statement sounds like its coming from a man who has no club affiliation?

Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 25/04/2017 09:01:29    1982421

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Replying To Cuckoosinging:  "Why should a club be punished and play without their best players after all the years and effort they put in helping them when they were playing up along just because they are deemed good enough to represent their county. What a load of bull. That statement sounds like its coming from a man who has no club affiliation?"
My club has one county player , we are in Senior Championship , I've see stags , weddings, trips away to Wembley put on hold because of our county player as a senior team our lads do gym sessions recovery sessions ,boot camps as well as twice weekly sessions, that squad of 28 who also are in College and hold jobs and a couple of self employed lad have their lives/plans put on hold because of the current policy of not playing championship without county players , our county lad is a terrific guy none of this is down to him its down to ambition of county board , ambition of clubs and club players and their lives don't even enter into it they are barely an after thought

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 25/04/2017 09:53:52    1982442

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Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:1407 - 25/04/2017 06:28:02

I think the financial resources of Dublin clubs broadly reflects the balance in the rest of the country. For every club with great facilities there are plenty struggling for pitches and the likes.

That's from my experience in anyways.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13704 - 25/04/2017 09:58:08    1982447

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whammo you have the situation where the club championship waits until dublin all ireland journey finishes,
now the last couple of years we have been lucky enough to win the all ireland and the following weekend the club championships resumed.
so after a week of celebrating the all ireland win with dublin you had players return to their clubs to line out with 3 or 4 days heavy drinking sessions under their belts, do you really think its worth holding up four or five months of 99% of players in the county at adult level for these guys to return in that shape, if it was not an inter county player theirs no way they would be thrown into a starting team with that kind of preparation the week of a game. you also have the other end of the scale when dublin got knocked out of all ireland stages, its the last thing any of them players want is to be thrown into a club game 5 or 6 days later after a long year.
the time has come to put up or shut up, we either want to hold the whole thing up for these scenarios and stop whinging that club players are being poorly treated or go with the plain obvious solution staring everyone in the face and play the club championships on fixed dates and regardless of inter county, weddings, stags, holidays if a player aint available thats their own buisness as the dates should be done from january and given to all clubs so they know exactly when their season is planned out.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2017 16:56:57    1982595

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "whammo you have the situation where the club championship waits until dublin all ireland journey finishes,
now the last couple of years we have been lucky enough to win the all ireland and the following weekend the club championships resumed.
so after a week of celebrating the all ireland win with dublin you had players return to their clubs to line out with 3 or 4 days heavy drinking sessions under their belts, do you really think its worth holding up four or five months of 99% of players in the county at adult level for these guys to return in that shape, if it was not an inter county player theirs no way they would be thrown into a starting team with that kind of preparation the week of a game. you also have the other end of the scale when dublin got knocked out of all ireland stages, its the last thing any of them players want is to be thrown into a club game 5 or 6 days later after a long year.
the time has come to put up or shut up, we either want to hold the whole thing up for these scenarios and stop whinging that club players are being poorly treated or go with the plain obvious solution staring everyone in the face and play the club championships on fixed dates and regardless of inter county, weddings, stags, holidays if a player aint available thats their own buisness as the dates should be done from january and given to all clubs so they know exactly when their season is planned out."
I agree that what you describe is crap.

I've been on here consistently advocating splitting the season.

Finish intercounty on August bank holiday.

Play off all club leagues whilst the county team is playing.

That's out of Dublin county board's control but they still know pretty much when they'll be playing their 6 intercounty games. Fix club championship for those weekends during the summer and then county players will still be able to play with their clubs.

The freeze from April to September is unnecessary in my view.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 25/04/2017 18:36:33    1982625

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I agree that what you describe is crap.

I've been on here consistently advocating splitting the season.

Finish intercounty on August bank holiday.

Play off all club leagues whilst the county team is playing.

That's out of Dublin county board's control but they still know pretty much when they'll be playing their 6 intercounty games. Fix club championship for those weekends during the summer and then county players will still be able to play with their clubs.

The freeze from April to September is unnecessary in my view."
If we can play leagues while county team is playing why not championships too?
It's a crap message to send out that guys train all year and get used in the league and then when comes to championship there told sorry but we are going to give your place in the team to Tom Bobby or Johnny because they play for the county team and even though they haven't trained with us or togged out we are still going to put them in ahead of you.
In one of the clubs I was with a guy played soccer in England and came home every summer for three weeks holidays, the management in the club used to get him down and start him in the team league or championship it was an absolute joke of a situation you had a guy wasn't even in the country all year and walked down and starts. A separate club I later was involved in had a guy retired from inter county about a year and he had taken 6 months holiday to Australia,he arrived off the plane home that morning at 8.30 and there was a match that day at 3pm and he was handed a starting Jersey, I couldn't believe what I was seeing it was three months into the season the guy hasn't trained with them in six months and there was guys there hadn't missed a session hail rain or snow throughout winter, needless to say it completely backfired as twenty minutes into the game he couldn't get to the pace of the game and called the management to make a change and came off, I looked around two minutes later to see him and he was over at a bush tryinging to hold back getting sick.
These were both division one senior teams.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 25/04/2017 19:13:34    1982642

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "If we can play leagues while county team is playing why not championships too?
It's a crap message to send out that guys train all year and get used in the league and then when comes to championship there told sorry but we are going to give your place in the team to Tom Bobby or Johnny because they play for the county team and even though they haven't trained with us or togged out we are still going to put them in ahead of you.
In one of the clubs I was with a guy played soccer in England and came home every summer for three weeks holidays, the management in the club used to get him down and start him in the team league or championship it was an absolute joke of a situation you had a guy wasn't even in the country all year and walked down and starts. A separate club I later was involved in had a guy retired from inter county about a year and he had taken 6 months holiday to Australia,he arrived off the plane home that morning at 8.30 and there was a match that day at 3pm and he was handed a starting Jersey, I couldn't believe what I was seeing it was three months into the season the guy hasn't trained with them in six months and there was guys there hadn't missed a session hail rain or snow throughout winter, needless to say it completely backfired as twenty minutes into the game he couldn't get to the pace of the game and called the management to make a change and came off, I looked around two minutes later to see him and he was over at a bush tryinging to hold back getting sick.
These were both division one senior teams."
In practice it works really well.

I play in Meath.

We'll have 13 league games, maybe have the county players 3 times. The we'll have them for 5 championship group games and the knockout stages. Some of the Meath posters on here don't like the championship but as a player I think it's great. The first 3 championship games and every league game has been fixed also. So the season is planned right up to August and then it will depend on how Meath do.

In the league games lads are getting the chance to impress. Guys are moving up and down the pecking order right now. So it's not as if it's specifically one guy who's getting ousted out.

Our team now compared to the first league game is very different already. There will be lads who won't start the first championship game but will break their way back in. It's a healthy competitive environment.

As for your stories, I really don't like when management does that sort of thing but I think it's a very different situation when someone's missing because of county commitment. He's still doing his training. He's still floating about the team and involved with the panel.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 25/04/2017 23:10:25    1982718

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Anybody who suggests that the club championship should be played without the best players being made available is a 'football fool'. Maybe the next thing they would be suggesting is that their should be no club football and just concentrate on county football.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 26/04/2017 01:44:12    1982728

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You want the club championship played without the inter county players ?

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/04/2017 07:46:32    1982735

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "You want the club championship played without the inter county players ?"
No I want it to be done on a master fixtures planner for the year and adhered to just like the other competitions.
I think it's unfair that we hold up possibly 24 out of 25 players on each team to suit that 1. Come the time the championship game is fixed who knows maybe 3 of them might not be able to play on that given day due to work commitments, family commitments but will the game be held up for them of course not.
so simplest and fairest for all is to have a master fixtures list and stick to it for all competitions

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/04/2017 09:29:36    1982755

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "No I want it to be done on a master fixtures planner for the year and adhered to just like the other competitions.
I think it's unfair that we hold up possibly 24 out of 25 players on each team to suit that 1. Come the time the championship game is fixed who knows maybe 3 of them might not be able to play on that given day due to work commitments, family commitments but will the game be held up for them of course not.
so simplest and fairest for all is to have a master fixtures list and stick to it for all competitions"
Sure we all
Want that but the club championship has to have the county players end of story.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 26/04/2017 10:15:59    1982779

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I actually enjoy this time of year, the minor and the U21 and club championships there is lpads to get your teeth into and its great that all levels of the game can be supported.

Threads like this are indictive of how much interest is growing in GAA though, its becoming such a huge market, we will be left with a 9 month week in week out eventually via professionalism.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 26/04/2017 11:04:13    1982805

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