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Tyrone: several forwards short of a winning team

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Replying To Rockies:  "Personally, I think Donegal are quite capable of beating Dublin.
They have merged in young players alongside Murphy and McBrearty.
Defense is tight. The McHughs are starring.
Dubs may become overconfident during the year, and Donegal are the team to ambush them."
Or they may just go about their business of taking each game as it comes. It's kinda the hallmark of this team. Overconfidence is highly unlikely with Jim Gavin at the helm thank God.

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 27/03/2017 18:44:55    1971966

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The game was in the melting pot in Clones last year and Tyrone stepped up when it mattered. I think people are reading far too much into this. They've had 2 poor outings against ourselves and Mayo. Nobody has been perfect in the league, it all comes down to Championship and I really don't think we'll see Tyrone be as poor come summer.

Obviously there are problems with their forwards and shot-taking, and that has been the case for a while now. But I still think they will give any team a rattle come summer and maybe it'll be the lack of forwards that lets them down. However to say they don't have it mentally I think is very harsh after what they managed against us last year.

Are they good enough to win Sam? I don't think so, but you never know on a given day what can be achieved.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 27/03/2017 19:01:22    1971977

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Replying To Rockies:  "Personally, I think Donegal are quite capable of beating Dublin.
They have merged in young players alongside Murphy and McBrearty.
Defense is tight. The McHughs are starring.
Dubs may become overconfident during the year, and Donegal are the team to ambush them."
It would be great if they were but I honestly do not think so, not yet anyways. Paddy McB is a great player on his day but like Tyrone Donegal are short of players with the genuine menace, penetration and mercurial intelligence on the inside line to beat the Dubs espcially with MM now deployed out the field. Donegal are the best team in the country at the hand passing game but are guilty of being over reliant on it at times and the better teams including the Dubs are well versed in setting up against it. To be successful you have to have a kicking game as well something Donegal are capable of but guilty of not using or developing enough yet. The management I feel know this and I imagine are working on it but yesterdays game was proof not fully confident in it. While Donegal have impressed in how they have dealt with the losses of players of the last few months we still need real proof that there are more dimensions to their game to really be considered as any kind of challengers to Dublin and even join Mayo and Kerry as the prime challengers to do so. Both Donegal and Tyrone are similar in sometimes being over cautious especially going forward something we know the dubs are not. The most impressive thing about Dublin in how adaptable they have become and can play any kind of game be it all out attack, defensive or a patient relying on hand passing. Saying that they are susceptible to conceding goals and if a team can stay with them and get them at the right time they are definitely beatable unlike some would lead you to believe.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 27/03/2017 19:23:43    1971990

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "precisely, at least have the balls to have shot or is it a case of in back of head thinking if I miss this I mightn't get another shot or mickey might drop me. How are we going to know if players on the bench a good enough if they cant' get game time once the league begins and the names start filtering back. Ballybofey should have been a wake up call and try a couple of other forwards to see if they could have rescued something from a lost cause, at least they could have done no worse."
What other forwards would you start?

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 27/03/2017 20:17:18    1972008

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "What other forwards would you start?"
that's the problem, not sure if we even have anyone on the panel Thought about big mcnulty up front getting a few high ones in as an option because some of the players used so far just cant cope with high balls under pressure. some of the high ball yesterday even to Cavanagh were brutal and even him running with his back to play still tried it. defo need to try a different formula as most teams now know how to negate our threat and know we defo aren't going to score outside 25yrds. maybe its a case that mh knows something we don't for later in year or is it he has invested too much time in certain players to keep playing them. Put it back to you fridge, who would you play up front that is capable of making a decision on the run that isn't scripted and can score if and when gets a chance

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 27/03/2017 20:57:01    1972034

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D Mc nulty clonoe manies devlin stewartstown gavin derrytresk, lowe stewartstown

hoopman (Tyrone) - Posts: 105 - 27/03/2017 21:01:28    1972036

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D Mc nulty clonoe manies devlin stewartstown gavin derrytresk, lowe stewartstown mc neice coalisland gervin derrylaugan these lads score for fun and dont mind getting stuck in maybe not just yes men we seem to pick whi else thts just some from a 4 mile radius

hoopman (Tyrone) - Posts: 105 - 27/03/2017 21:12:01    1972043

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "that's the problem, not sure if we even have anyone on the panel Thought about big mcnulty up front getting a few high ones in as an option because some of the players used so far just cant cope with high balls under pressure. some of the high ball yesterday even to Cavanagh were brutal and even him running with his back to play still tried it. defo need to try a different formula as most teams now know how to negate our threat and know we defo aren't going to score outside 25yrds. maybe its a case that mh knows something we don't for later in year or is it he has invested too much time in certain players to keep playing them. Put it back to you fridge, who would you play up front that is capable of making a decision on the run that isn't scripted and can score if and when gets a chance"
This is the point I'm making....you have named one player. Who else?
If Murphy doesn't play full forward anymore does that not tell you the long ball into a big full forward is dead? So I can't see McNulty been much use. Maybe if we need a goal in the dying minutes.
We dont have a Mulligan, Canavan, O'Neill to kick points for fun. That's why MH plays to the strengths of the players at his disposal, turnovers and attack at speed on the counter.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 27/03/2017 21:43:28    1972052

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Replying To hoopman:  "D Mc nulty clonoe manies devlin stewartstown gavin derrytresk, lowe stewartstown mc neice coalisland gervin derrylaugan these lads score for fun and dont mind getting stuck in maybe not just yes men we seem to pick whi else thts just some from a 4 mile radius"
I see the east/west divide is still in your head. Let it go big lad.
The players you suggest are good players, county standard I'm not so sure. Are Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley better than the players you named? I would say yes.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 27/03/2017 21:50:50    1972057

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Replying To hoopman:  "D Mc nulty clonoe manies devlin stewartstown gavin derrytresk, lowe stewartstown mc neice coalisland gervin derrylaugan these lads score for fun and dont mind getting stuck in maybe not just yes men we seem to pick whi else thts just some from a 4 mile radius"
How many Errigal players on the panel by the way?

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 27/03/2017 21:52:21    1972058

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "I see the east/west divide is still in your head. Let it go big lad.
The players you suggest are good players, county standard I'm not so sure. Are Lee Brennan and Mark Bradley better than the players you named? I would say yes."
How do we know how good Lee Brennan is he hasn't got a chance yet, Danny McNulty is as good a forward as anything on show yesterday. As I said elsewhere it's not M H fault it never is even when we keep doing what hasn't worked before it's not the managements fault that record is wearing thin. I said some years ago that we would never win another all Ireland with some of the players that were being played some of them are still there and a few more now added and we are no closer to another all Ireland time for change

rahillyman (Tyrone) - Posts: 314 - 27/03/2017 22:15:03    1972069

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Replying To panamasam:  "It would be great if they were but I honestly do not think so, not yet anyways. Paddy McB is a great player on his day but like Tyrone Donegal are short of players with the genuine menace, penetration and mercurial intelligence on the inside line to beat the Dubs espcially with MM now deployed out the field. Donegal are the best team in the country at the hand passing game but are guilty of being over reliant on it at times and the better teams including the Dubs are well versed in setting up against it. To be successful you have to have a kicking game as well something Donegal are capable of but guilty of not using or developing enough yet. The management I feel know this and I imagine are working on it but yesterdays game was proof not fully confident in it. While Donegal have impressed in how they have dealt with the losses of players of the last few months we still need real proof that there are more dimensions to their game to really be considered as any kind of challengers to Dublin and even join Mayo and Kerry as the prime challengers to do so. Both Donegal and Tyrone are similar in sometimes being over cautious especially going forward something we know the dubs are not. The most impressive thing about Dublin in how adaptable they have become and can play any kind of game be it all out attack, defensive or a patient relying on hand passing. Saying that they are susceptible to conceding goals and if a team can stay with them and get them at the right time they are definitely beatable unlike some would lead you to believe."
I think Donegal will come through Ulster battle hardened..as will Tyrone.
Dublin are vulnerable when they are down and chasing the game.
Michael Murphy seems to have got a new lease of life at midfield, since he went to France playing rugby.

Don't give up on Donegal....they hold no fear of the Dubs .I for one will fancy a flutter on them this year.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 27/03/2017 22:37:35    1972078

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Replying To rahillyman:  "How do we know how good Lee Brennan is he hasn't got a chance yet, Danny McNulty is as good a forward as anything on show yesterday. As I said elsewhere it's not M H fault it never is even when we keep doing what hasn't worked before it's not the managements fault that record is wearing thin. I said some years ago that we would never win another all Ireland with some of the players that were being played some of them are still there and a few more now added and we are no closer to another all Ireland time for change"
Name the Tyrone team you would like to start?

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 28/03/2017 12:33:15    1972212

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "This is the point I'm making....you have named one player. Who else?
If Murphy doesn't play full forward anymore does that not tell you the long ball into a big full forward is dead? So I can't see McNulty been much use. Maybe if we need a goal in the dying minutes.
We dont have a Mulligan, Canavan, O'Neill to kick points for fun. That's why MH plays to the strengths of the players at his disposal, turnovers and attack at speed on the counter."
The only player we have produced lately of that kind of caliber has been Conor McKenna, he could be the answer to our prayers but things seem to be going well for him down under so cant see him returning any time soon.

What about Ruairi Sludden? He was sheer class for Dromore 2 years ago in the championship. Very accurate from a dead ball too.

TakeyourPoint. (Tyrone) - Posts: 133 - 28/03/2017 16:44:52    1972376

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "How many Errigal players on the panel by the way?"
Thats only a few local to me just saying that most tyrone club followers xan name 5/6 players close to them better than what we have on the team

hoopman (Tyrone) - Posts: 105 - 28/03/2017 17:13:48    1972401

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "How many Errigal players on the panel by the way?"
Thats only a few local to me just saying that most tyrone club followers xan name 5/6 players close to them better than what we have on the team

hoopman (Tyrone) - Posts: 105 - 28/03/2017 17:14:07    1972402

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Replying To hoopman:  "Thats only a few local to me just saying that most tyrone club followers xan name 5/6 players close to them better than what we have on the team"
Can you name these 5/6 players?

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 28/03/2017 17:50:16    1972422

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Replying To TakeyourPoint.:  "The only player we have produced lately of that kind of caliber has been Conor McKenna, he could be the answer to our prayers but things seem to be going well for him down under so cant see him returning any time soon.

What about Ruairi Sludden? He was sheer class for Dromore 2 years ago in the championship. Very accurate from a dead ball too."
Conor McKenna would have been great if available. Sludden is a great player but I believe he is concentrating on the club for now. Maybe in the future.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 28/03/2017 17:53:23    1972427

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "This is the point I'm making....you have named one player. Who else?
If Murphy doesn't play full forward anymore does that not tell you the long ball into a big full forward is dead? So I can't see McNulty been much use. Maybe if we need a goal in the dying minutes.
We dont have a Mulligan, Canavan, O'Neill to kick points for fun. That's why MH plays to the strengths of the players at his disposal, turnovers and attack at speed on the counter."
no it doesn't just because donegal have stopped that tactic doesn't mean every county should give up on it plus Donegal have blooded at least 7 u21s into their squad with plenty of game time. Against tyrone in ballybofey they used 4 u21s on the team who had played a hard fought game a few nights previous against tyrone and were well fit for our lads and at least another 3-4 sitting on the bench rarin to get stuck in on a night you wouldn't have put a bucket out. some of the excuses on here was that maybe tyrone came through a hard weeks training, bs, what's harder than a full blood game. when will people stop making excuse for the management not trying something new as it's plain to most observers that what is happening now is not working and no county will fear being drawn against tyrone this year. This isn't any slight on mh or his achievements but something just isn't clicking. These aren't the calibre of the players of tyrone's heyday and certainly don't deserve to be compared as things have moved on tremendously but if you can't score from 20 odd yrds out even on a dry day in healy park then something is seriously not right tactically or mentally with players.
Again you seem to have plenty of questions to ask other posters ridiculing tyrone but you haven't answered the question posed to you about better players and it's nothing to do with east west but people naming players local to them they believe could cut it

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 28/03/2017 18:25:02    1972448

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "no it doesn't just because donegal have stopped that tactic doesn't mean every county should give up on it plus Donegal have blooded at least 7 u21s into their squad with plenty of game time. Against tyrone in ballybofey they used 4 u21s on the team who had played a hard fought game a few nights previous against tyrone and were well fit for our lads and at least another 3-4 sitting on the bench rarin to get stuck in on a night you wouldn't have put a bucket out. some of the excuses on here was that maybe tyrone came through a hard weeks training, bs, what's harder than a full blood game. when will people stop making excuse for the management not trying something new as it's plain to most observers that what is happening now is not working and no county will fear being drawn against tyrone this year. This isn't any slight on mh or his achievements but something just isn't clicking. These aren't the calibre of the players of tyrone's heyday and certainly don't deserve to be compared as things have moved on tremendously but if you can't score from 20 odd yrds out even on a dry day in healy park then something is seriously not right tactically or mentally with players.
Again you seem to have plenty of questions to ask other posters ridiculing tyrone but you haven't answered the question posed to you about better players and it's nothing to do with east west but people naming players local to them they believe could cut it"
People keep saying there are players in Tyrone not in the panel but no one seems to be able to tell me who these players are.
I think people should calm down a bit, I was as frustrated as other supporters coming out of Healy park(which was is fantastic shape) but in the cold light of day it wasn't a terrible display. Mayo are the second best team in Ireland, should of won the all Ireland last year, we are only up from div 2 so staying up is a positive. Drew with Dublin and beat an Ulster rival in Monaghan.
I feel we have blooded a few from the u21 all Ireland winning team as well, lee and Rory Brennan, Hampsay, Meyler, Fox, Bradley etc so we haven't done to badly in that regard.
If we find out shooting boots and beat Kerry it will be a very good league campaign. Lots to work on but there are plenty of positives.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 28/03/2017 19:05:55    1972465

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