National - Does Aussie Rules ruin young players?

Is aussie rule contracts getting more and more rejected by young players? Looking at players that have tried and succeed is very small. But players that have come back after a year or two seem to be very different players. Tommy walsh for example. I know he has a few bad injuries but in gaa I would fully expect him back to his best. He was the best player in the country before he left. Seem to completely knock the confidence out of him. He could have some advice for young clifford!!!

.tribute (Cavan) - Posts:321 - 19/04/2017 07:55:06   1980659

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John Heslin is doing alright. Then again he was out there less than a year I think.

Jack_Sparrow (Westmeath) - Posts:687 - 19/04/2017 10:04:21   1980684

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Michael Quinn, probably Longfords main player right now.
Colm Begley, Laois. Has been one of their main players.
Brendan Murphy, Carlow.
Ciaran Kilkenny, Dublin
Chrissy McKaigue, Derry
Niall McKeever, Antrim
Paul Cribbin, Daniel Flynn, Kildare.
Tadhg Kennelly and Marty Clarke who returned and went back.

Actually, I'm going to stop now. Instead of your sample of one, could you name a few more players who went out and have not been one of their counties main players, because from what I have seen, the vast majority who went out and came back have been exceptional for their counties.

james2011 (Wexford) - Posts:294 - 19/04/2017 10:48:31   1980698

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Replying To james2011:  "Michael Quinn, probably Longfords main player right now.
Colm Begley, Laois. Has been one of their main players.
Brendan Murphy, Carlow.
Ciaran Kilkenny, Dublin
Chrissy McKaigue, Derry
Niall McKeever, Antrim
Paul Cribbin, Daniel Flynn, Kildare.
Tadhg Kennelly and Marty Clarke who returned and went back.

Actually, I'm going to stop now. Instead of your sample of one, could you name a few more players who went out and have not been one of their counties main players, because from what I have seen, the vast majority who went out and came back have been exceptional for their counties."
Dan Flynn is always one game away from an injury. Sean Hurley has recently returned home crocked too.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts:708 - 19/04/2017 14:39:52   1980806

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Replying To james2011:  "Michael Quinn, probably Longfords main player right now.
Colm Begley, Laois. Has been one of their main players.
Brendan Murphy, Carlow.
Ciaran Kilkenny, Dublin
Chrissy McKaigue, Derry
Niall McKeever, Antrim
Paul Cribbin, Daniel Flynn, Kildare.
Tadhg Kennelly and Marty Clarke who returned and went back.

Actually, I'm going to stop now. Instead of your sample of one, could you name a few more players who went out and have not been one of their counties main players, because from what I have seen, the vast majority who went out and came back have been exceptional for their counties."
Niall McKeever has done little to improve our squad since returning.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts:1328 - 19/04/2017 15:22:47   1980825

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Replying To james2011:  "Michael Quinn, probably Longfords main player right now.
Colm Begley, Laois. Has been one of their main players.
Brendan Murphy, Carlow.
Ciaran Kilkenny, Dublin
Chrissy McKaigue, Derry
Niall McKeever, Antrim
Paul Cribbin, Daniel Flynn, Kildare.
Tadhg Kennelly and Marty Clarke who returned and went back.

Actually, I'm going to stop now. Instead of your sample of one, could you name a few more players who went out and have not been one of their counties main players, because from what I have seen, the vast majority who went out and came back have been exceptional for their counties."
Kilkenny was over there a wet weekend in fairness. Shields from Cork?

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts:1167 - 19/04/2017 18:17:31   1980877

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Replying To .tribute:  "Is aussie rule contracts getting more and more rejected by young players? Looking at players that have tried and succeed is very small. But players that have come back after a year or two seem to be very different players. Tommy walsh for example. I know he has a few bad injuries but in gaa I would fully expect him back to his best. He was the best player in the country before he left. Seem to completely knock the confidence out of him. He could have some advice for young clifford!!!"
If your theory has any merit, I doubt it has anything to do with returning players losing confidence. Probably would have more to do with changing perspectives. Presumably even as trainee Rules players they get paid, are part of a totally professional set up and have every whim catered for. In that situation, I can imagine coming back to Ireland, putting in a similar amount of training as the Aussie pros do, but having to hold down a full time job as well, and to do all this purely for the glory of the county, would not have quite the same appeal.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts:633 - 19/04/2017 19:22:57   1980894

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Thank God Kilkenny put his passion before money

realdub (Dublin) - Posts:5869 - 19/04/2017 19:29:37   1980898

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Replying To james2011:  "Michael Quinn, probably Longfords main player right now.
Colm Begley, Laois. Has been one of their main players.
Brendan Murphy, Carlow.
Ciaran Kilkenny, Dublin
Chrissy McKaigue, Derry
Niall McKeever, Antrim
Paul Cribbin, Daniel Flynn, Kildare.
Tadhg Kennelly and Marty Clarke who returned and went back.

Actually, I'm going to stop now. Instead of your sample of one, could you name a few more players who went out and have not been one of their counties main players, because from what I have seen, the vast majority who went out and came back have been exceptional for their counties."
Caolan Mooney was a very bright prospect before he went to Collingwood. It has taken him a while to get established as a county footballer since being back.

Suas Sios (All) - Posts:1276 - 20/04/2017 16:03:18   1981191

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Have to agree, what I notice is that a lot of the players returning that have been over there for a number of years no longer have a natural kick of the ball.
Even Tadhg Kennelly looked like a yank over for the holidays when trying to kick the ball in 09.

woops (Kerry) - Posts:1771 - 20/04/2017 16:38:12   1981204

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There skillset is not as good when they return. Nicholas Walsh was a very good Cavan minor, the few years in Australia put him back alot.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts:1537 - 21/04/2017 10:15:32   1981366

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It's all punt kicking in aussie rules

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts:1273 - 21/04/2017 11:57:07   1981416

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Replying To james2011:  "Michael Quinn, probably Longfords main player right now.
Colm Begley, Laois. Has been one of their main players.
Brendan Murphy, Carlow.
Ciaran Kilkenny, Dublin
Chrissy McKaigue, Derry
Niall McKeever, Antrim
Paul Cribbin, Daniel Flynn, Kildare.
Tadhg Kennelly and Marty Clarke who returned and went back.

Actually, I'm going to stop now. Instead of your sample of one, could you name a few more players who went out and have not been one of their counties main players, because from what I have seen, the vast majority who went out and came back have been exceptional for their counties."
you should of stopped before you started. a lot of them players didnt live up to the standard they left with to Australia

.tribute (Cavan) - Posts:321 - 22/04/2017 02:21:29   1981595

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Replying To realdub:  "Thank God Kilkenny put his passion before money"
So you can't be very passionate if a professional or as passionate compared to an amatuer player?
What a load of nonsense

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12970 - 22/04/2017 11:23:57   1981630

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "So you can't be very passionate if a professional or as passionate compared to an amatuer player?
What a load of nonsense"
Off course you can, but that's not what was being implied there. You've misinterpreted the post and created a theory that was never there to begin with.

HandballRef (Donegal) - Posts:340 - 22/04/2017 12:37:00   1981651

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Was listening to an OTB podcast last night with Niall Quinn. Never knew he went to Australia as a young lad for trials and was offered two contracts before being signed by Arsenal. He didn't receive the offers in time due to a postal strike, bet he is glad.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts:299 - 22/04/2017 14:29:17   1981669

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Replying To woops:  "Have to agree, what I notice is that a lot of the players returning that have been over there for a number of years no longer have a natural kick of the ball.
Even Tadhg Kennelly looked like a yank over for the holidays when trying to kick the ball in 09."
Did he not 'punch' above his weight!

browncows (Meath) - Posts:1438 - 22/04/2017 14:45:58   1981673

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Replying To HandballRef:  "Off course you can, but that's not what was being implied there. You've misinterpreted the post and created a theory that was never there to begin with."
I'm not misinterpretating anything as this poster has said this before on other related issues

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12970 - 22/04/2017 17:51:43   1981710

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Kilkenny was over there a wet weekend in fairness. Shields from Cork?"
How is Ciaran Sheehan from Cork doing? One of Cork's best players.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts:215 - 23/04/2017 16:20:29   1981884

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Replying To Rockies:  "How is Ciaran Sheehan from Cork doing? One of Cork's best players."
Has had a few injury problems over there, I think.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts:1167 - 24/04/2017 09:07:38   1982083

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