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This was an interesting read from good old wikipedia today.
1953 AI Final
"In spite of victory, the game remained controversial over the alleged hitting of Galway captain Mickey Burke by Ring during the second half. There were ugly scenes at the post-match reception at the Gresham Hotel when an unknown Galway player struck Ring in retaliation as he was leaving the ballroom. To compound matters, both sets of players were staying in Barry's Hotel. At breakfast the following morning Ring was punched in the face by another Galway player who then made a quick escape. Several more Galway players gathered across the road from the hotel and more fighting was expected, however, they were dispersed and Cork left Dublin for their homecoming celebrations.[27][28] At the end of the year Ring once again finished runner-up in the Gaelic Sportsman Sportsman of the Year."
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Replying To Miami305: "This was an interesting read from good old wikipedia today.
1953 AI Final
"In spite of victory, the game remained controversial over the alleged hitting of Galway captain Mickey Burke by Ring during the second half. There were ugly scenes at the post-match reception at the Gresham Hotel when an unknown Galway player struck Ring in retaliation as he was leaving the ballroom. To compound matters, both sets of players were staying in Barry's Hotel. At breakfast the following morning Ring was punched in the face by another Galway player who then made a quick escape. Several more Galway players gathered across the road from the hotel and more fighting was expected, however, they were dispersed and Cork left Dublin for their homecoming celebrations.[27 [28] At the end of the year Ring once again finished runner-up in the Gaelic Sportsman Sportsman of the Year.""]Ring pulled on Mickey Burke . He suffered facial and teeth injuries . Mickey Burke was taken off as a result of those injuries. Galway lost that final in 1953 by 3-03 to 0-08. They had been waiting for 30 years for an All Ireland . They would wait another 27 years for one .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 20/09/2018 17:54:02
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Man's game, let that be it! :D
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 20/09/2018 18:03:58
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Very brave stuff pulling on a fellas face.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1908 - 20/09/2018 18:26:42
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Don't tell Belclare1 as he'll only be distraught by the notion that Galway men would be capable of this type of thuggish behaviour:)
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 20/09/2018 20:03:58
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Sounds like a completely normal day in the Wicklow club championship!
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 21/09/2018 09:06:38
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I blame Mickey Harte
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 21/09/2018 09:32:04
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Replying To Miami305: "This was an interesting read from good old wikipedia today.
1953 AI Final
"In spite of victory, the game remained controversial over the alleged hitting of Galway captain Mickey Burke by Ring during the second half. There were ugly scenes at the post-match reception at the Gresham Hotel when an unknown Galway player struck Ring in retaliation as he was leaving the ballroom. To compound matters, both sets of players were staying in Barry's Hotel. At breakfast the following morning Ring was punched in the face by another Galway player who then made a quick escape. Several more Galway players gathered across the road from the hotel and more fighting was expected, however, they were dispersed and Cork left Dublin for their homecoming celebrations.[27 [28] At the end of the year Ring once again finished runner-up in the Gaelic Sportsman Sportsman of the Year.""]I remember reading about that some years ago in the Sindo, apparently neither man involved ever talked about it. What happens on the field stays on the field.
Ring seems to have been able to look after himself in addition to being supremely skilled, but I suppose in those days there was a lot less protection from referees and you had to be tough to survive.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 21/09/2018 09:59:29
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Having watched old matches in TG4, up to the 80s it was a lot of slashing and sledging and full backs ALWAYS pulled first and asked questions later.
Thankfully, forwards are given more protection these days.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 21/09/2018 11:44:58
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Ring was a forward wizard but had the 'competitiveness of a fiery corner back.
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I knew an aul fellah who played inter County hurling in the fifties at corner back.
Some of the stuff he told me about that went on back then especially in club hurling was trench warfare.
His way of getting the measure of the corner forward before the ball was thrown in was to punch him in the face!!
How yer man reacted gave him an idea of what he was facing in the match.
Same character was probably the strongest man I ever met even in his seventies.. Raw farming strength, I'd say getting a punch from him was like being kicked by a horse!
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Replying To skillet: "I knew an aul fellah who played inter County hurling in the fifties at corner back.
Some of the stuff he told me about that went on back then especially in club hurling was trench warfare.
His way of getting the measure of the corner forward before the ball was thrown in was to punch him in the face!!
How yer man reacted gave him an idea of what he was facing in the match.
Same character was probably the strongest man I ever met even in his seventies.. Raw farming strength, I'd say getting a punch from him was like being kicked by a horse!" It is always important to get your retaliation in first.
Sure even today, hitting a lad like that would be laughed off as "good manly behaviour", "nobody got injured sure", etc, etc.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 21/09/2018 14:35:34
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Replying To skillet: "I knew an aul fellah who played inter County hurling in the fifties at corner back.
Some of the stuff he told me about that went on back then especially in club hurling was trench warfare.
His way of getting the measure of the corner forward before the ball was thrown in was to punch him in the face!!
How yer man reacted gave him an idea of what he was facing in the match.
Same character was probably the strongest man I ever met even in his seventies.. Raw farming strength, I'd say getting a punch from him was like being kicked by a horse!" Yeh my auld man had more scars than skin on his head, luckily he had a good head of hair until his dying day :D
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 21/09/2018 16:03:10
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Replying To Miami305: "This was an interesting read from good old wikipedia today.
1953 AI Final
"In spite of victory, the game remained controversial over the alleged hitting of Galway captain Mickey Burke by Ring during the second half. There were ugly scenes at the post-match reception at the Gresham Hotel when an unknown Galway player struck Ring in retaliation as he was leaving the ballroom. To compound matters, both sets of players were staying in Barry's Hotel. At breakfast the following morning Ring was punched in the face by another Galway player who then made a quick escape. Several more Galway players gathered across the road from the hotel and more fighting was expected, however, they were dispersed and Cork left Dublin for their homecoming celebrations.[27 [28] At the end of the year Ring once again finished runner-up in the Gaelic Sportsman Sportsman of the Year.""]Ring's best game was against Limerick in the 1956 Munster final. He got 3 goals in last 5 minutes to win the game...despite being well held by Jim Broderick for the previous 55 minutes.
Broderick had slagged him saying he is very quiet today...Ring got the 3 goals and replied that he wasn't so quiet now.
Ring had to look after himself....especially when facing the likes of Tipp.
Galway lost the All Ireland in 1955 to Wexford, and after that the majority of the team emigrated.
Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 21/09/2018 16:47:14
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This is a great thread and would love to hear more stories. Unrelated to hitting and Ring, someone once told me Mackey used to run with the ball pinned between his arm and his side when the ref was down the field behind him and unable to see, would go on long runs with no one able to disposes him!
TheDigger (USA) - Posts: 84 - 22/09/2018 14:43:44
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in 1982, I attended a seminar in the SFX Hall near Gardiner St. The speakers were Jack Lynch, Willie Rackard, Donie Nealon and Eddie Keher.
Jack Lynch said that while Christy Ring's determination to win his personal duel was a great asset, at times it could be a liability. In the 1947 final, the Kilkenny centre back, Paddy Prendergast was dishing out loads of physical punishment to Ring who naturally did not back off. Lynch offered to switch from midfield to centre half forward where his height would be an advantage. This would allow Ring to move to midfield where he would have more scope. Ring saw the suggestion as an admission of failure and refused.
In the three match series against Tipp in 1951, Ring was right half forward. He got no change from the veteran Tommy Doyle. Ring rejected suggestions that he should roam freely thus testing Doyle's stamina. He stubbornly continued to try winning his personal duel.
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Sorry. The Christy Ring Tommy Doyle 3 match saga was in 1949.
At the SFX seminar, Donie Nealon told a story of Jack Lynch playing full forward against Tipp soon after being elected a T.D. The Tipp goalie Tony Reddan fielded a high ball. Lynch somehow evaded the Hell's Kitchen full back line and attempted to bury Reddan in the net. Reddan sidestepped and cleared. He turned to Lynch and warned "If you try that again, there wil be a by-election in Cork North Central".
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More from 1982 seminar.
Jack Lynch's Team of the 1940s
Paddy Scanlon (LK), Willie Murphy (C), Tony Brennan (T), Alan Lotty (C), Pat Stakelum (T), John Keane (Wat), Jim Young (C), Timmy Ryan (LK), Harry Gray (D & LS), Christy Ring (C), Mick Mackey (LK), Jim Langton (KK), John Quirke (C), Paddy McMahon (LK), Jim Mullane (CE).
Willie Rackard's Team of the 1950s
Ollie Walsh (KK), John Doyle (T), Nick O'Donnell (WX), Mark Marnell (KK), Jim English (WX), Pat Stakelum (T), Matt Fouhy (C), Joe Salmon (G), Ned Wheeler (WX), Sean Clohessy (KK), Christy Ring (C), Seamus Bannon (T), Jim Langton (KK), Billy Dwyer(KK), Phil Grimes (Wat)
Donie Nealon's Team of the 1960s (Tipp excluded)
Ollie Walsh (KK), Tom Neville (WX), Nick O'Donnell (WX), Jim Treacy (KK), Jim English (WX), Willie Rackard (WX), Pat Henderson (KK), Ned Wheeler (WX), Des Foley (D), Frankie Walsh (Wat), Tom Cheasty (Wat), Tim Flood (WX), Jimmy Smith(CE), Tony Doran (WX) Eddie Keher (KK)
Eddie Keher's Team of the 1970s (KK unless noted)
Noel Skehan, Fan Larkin, Pat Hartigan (LK), Jim Treacy, Dermot McCurtin (C), Pat Henderson, Iggy Clarke (G), Frank Cummins, Liam O'Brien, Francis Loughnane (T), Pat Delaney, Mick Crotty, Charlie McCarthy (C), Tony Doran (WX), Eamonn Cregan(LK)
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Here's a good one, I can't confirm if it's true or not but as urban myth has it...
Apparently, not sure if it was the '84 or '85 AI final, a young Joe McNally was trying to wind Paudi O'Se up by asking him how he got up to the big smoke that morning, asking him was it the bus or the train. First ball that came between them Joe ended up flat on his back and the great Paudi supposedly said to him "What was it that hit you Joe, a bus or a train?"
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Replying To realdub: "Here's a good one, I can't confirm if it's true or not but as urban myth has it...
Apparently, not sure if it was the '84 or '85 AI final, a young Joe McNally was trying to wind Paudi O'Se up by asking him how he got up to the big smoke that morning, asking him was it the bus or the train. First ball that came between them Joe ended up flat on his back and the great Paudi supposedly said to him "What was it that hit you Joe, a bus or a train?"
:D" I can confirm that the confrontation took place in 1984 straight in front of my spot on the Canal End terrace. I can't verify the exchange of banter.
Neither can I guarantee that the opening conversation between Kevin Heffernan and Dingle fisherman Paddy 'Bawn' Brosnan was as told to me by a reliable source.
Heffo: "I smell fish".
'Bawn' "I smell s**t.
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