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Gavin should put Connolly on Andy Moran when they meet this year. Probably wouldn't do as well on him as Lee does on Connolly. Lee is a better all round footballer than Connolly though not as good a scorer. Fenton on the other hand is very good at everything. Reminds me of Séan Cavanagh. Silly to judge Kilkenny only on the scoreboard or on the anount of ball he plays forward. Was more of a scoring threat a few years ago. Links play brilliantly, very rarely gives the ball away. The value of Kilkenny is what he doesn't do which is anything stupid. Kevin McLoughli is similar. Both underrated. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7342 - 22/03/2018 16:41:49 2087041 Link 1 |
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Connolly on Andy Moran eh . Now there a novel idea. That just might not happen though me thinks. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 22/03/2018 16:54:38 2087043 Link 0 |
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The truth is simple - Connolly failed to thwart Keegan's scoring ability, but he did score some frees himself
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 22/03/2018 17:13:33 2087049 Link 0 |
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Exactly. Because Connolly's a forward, a class one but Keegan is a better footballer than him.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7342 - 22/03/2018 18:11:00 2087064 Link 1 |
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Or is a better marker then Keegan because he scored significantly more then him and kept Keegan's scoring low! ;)
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 22/03/2018 18:25:36 2087069 Link 3 |
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A better footballer . I would think that is a matter of opinion and you are entitled to yours of course . Connolly is good enough to negate Keegans effectiveness due to the danger he is deemed capable of doing and requires Keegan to sacrifice his own game to a large extent. I don't think there are too many players that have commanded such close attention and were they not involved would most likely mean Mayo would have at least on AI. Remember who won the free who gave Rock the chance to win last year and wasn't in play that long. Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 22/03/2018 18:38:33 2087071 Link 0 |
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It's a matter of opinion. DC is a more naturally gifted footballer IMO. Long range scoring off both feet, 30-40 yard passes, give him space and he will destroy you. Keegan's game is different, tight physical man marker, strong ball carrier and usually a good finisher. Two different types of footballer but as regards natural skill and scoring it's DC for me all day long. But both great players no doubt.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 22/03/2018 18:39:36 2087073 Link 0 |
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That's a very narrow premise mate, your arguement is basically if Connolly doesn't scored don't count unless they are a free or a penalty if only they were the rules of the game. I find that just bizarre, Keegan is a fine player but I think it's Myth in Mayo he does a good job on Connolly. I think it's pretty clear you don't watch Dublin play often, on top out scoring Keegan. I think you are underestimating how many frees Connolly won of Keegan, I don't think he can cope with him without fouling. I'd say a significant proportion of Cluxton and Rocks scores could be attributed to a foul on Connolly. I didn't see many lads mention 2011, he has five medals since, 4 NFLs and a club championship. I think your wrong respectively on medals, Keegan is a fine player, but the GAA isn't a moral victory game it's a game of competitive sport. While I'm not being arrogant in saying that please understand, it really makes every other comparison moot. His scoring stats are there on Keegan, his medal count is there and there was one man with the ball in his chest smiling looking into the hill in 2018 after winning the winning free. Its a bizarre atguemrnt really when you tot up. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 22/03/2018 18:45:21 2087076 Link 1 |
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Both are excellent footballers and it is difficult to compare a back with a forward. Keegan is a very good attacking back but not a great defender (has to foul to defend sometimes). Boyle is one of the better backs in the country and would walk on any team in the country including Dublin. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 22/03/2018 18:55:12 2087079 Link 0 |
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Stats on their head again
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 22/03/2018 19:37:53 2087092 Link 0 |
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That's like saying Andy Moran could negate Philly McMahon's scoring threat by keeping him occupied! Connolly isn't just a better forward than Keegan, arguably he's better than all forwards playing. But he's not a defender. So he can't be a better all round footballer than Connolly. But Keegan isn't a better all round footballer than Séan Cavanagh. But in a few years time he just might be.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7342 - 23/03/2018 10:15:30 2087192 Link 0 |
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Let's be honest here, Keegan is a top class footballer but if he was as good as Connolly, he'd be a forward. Connolly could play Keegans position but he'd be wasted. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12116 - 23/03/2018 10:48:31 2087200 Link 4 |
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He'd be wasted as he's not a defender but he's a clever player and he'd adapt quickly. I don't think Lee would be a good forward. His effectiveness is running from deep, drawing defenders out of position and making space for himself or teammates. Wouldn't be nearly as effective if he was positioned in forward line close to goal and more tightly marked. Just because we don't have good scoring forwards isn't enough reason to think that our attacking defenders will be good forwards.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7342 - 23/03/2018 11:13:22 2087213 Link 0 |
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True he was very good in the club allirelands that they won.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/03/2018 14:20:13 2087261 Link 1 |
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Your scoring stats point is not valid as I already said. The only one making a bizarre argument here is you. Connolly did very little from play when Keegan marks him andat the same time Keegan outscores him from play. And then you try and claim Connolly won a heap of free conceded by Keegan which were kicked over by Rock and Cluxton. I mean how can I debate with someone who is just making things up to convince themselves they are right. Go back and do your research and tell me how many times Connolly was fouled by Keegan leading to a score? I will wait to hear back with the facts. It is no myth that he does well on Connolly, he shuts him down, just like he shut down Kilkenny even more effectively. It isn't he fault of Keegan that Mayo haven't got over the line. Dublin are a great team, and have been slightly better than Mayo for the past 2 years and deservedly won their titles, it isn't an anti dub argument here. I am just pointing out when it comes to Connolly Dublin fans are absolutely blinded. And others saying he is a better footballer than Keegan. Well it's apples and oranges. He is more gifted technically and can be a magician with the all but that doesn't mean he is more vital than a player like Keegan. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7887 - 24/03/2018 16:49:09 2087450 Link 0 |
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Yeah I'd rather have Connolly He's proven himself time and time again that he has what it takes to turn a game and win All Ireland titles His mere presence alone greatly diminishes one of Mayo's most "vital" avenues for getting scores and well Mayo can't afford to lose such an offensive option as generally they aren't great up front Keegan is very good at going forward and making runs but he does foul a lot and he's seen the stands in vital games, just like Connolly. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 24/03/2018 17:02:53 2087456 Link 2 |
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Fouls a lot? Another myth I'm afraid. I would agree we lose Keegan as a ball player when he has to do marking jobs but he does them better than anyone. Everyone raves about Kilkenny but he he only got 7 possessions last year and Keegan still got forward to set up a score and score a goal. And no foul given away in scoring zone if I remember correctly. You can have Connolly and that is fair enough, but like another poster don't just make stuff up! Keegan gives away very few frees. People remember the black card more than anything else.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7887 - 24/03/2018 17:48:59 2087466 Link 0 |
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7 possessions is a myth???? I believe the official count was 18
jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 944 - 24/03/2018 18:17:27 2087476 Link 0 |
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Well if the official stats post game were wrong I will hold my hands up. RTE analysis post game had 8 as they did a direct comparison to the amount of possessions he had in the semi final. He did nothing anyway and I defo don't remember him being on the ball more than a few times.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7887 - 24/03/2018 18:35:39 2087482 Link 0 |
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I've been at every single game over the last 5or 6 years between Mayo and Dublin and i watch these two very closely Keegan is persistently fouling Connolly mostly by grabbing hold of his Jersey and liitle tugs to stop Connolly from making runs the reason as he doesn't as you say give away many frees is because he's good at not getting caught But he's such a good footballer he's in my opinion wasted playing the spoiler roll.
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 24/03/2018 23:17:21 2087582 Link 1 |