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Andy Moran Hands On Maurice Deegan

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Can't understand why this isn't a bigger issue? No contact with the ref is allowed. If Moran was a Dub he'd be vilified in the media. Where are all those sanctimonious commenters from last summer?

FOB (Dublin) - Posts: 912 - 22/03/2018 15:09:43    2086998

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Replying To FOB:  "Can't understand why this isn't a bigger issue? No contact with the ref is allowed. If Moran was a Dub he'd be vilified in the media. Where are all those sanctimonious commenters from last summer?"
Wayno put it all into perspective a few posts back so at this stage that dead horse is well and truly flogged.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 22/03/2018 15:37:00    2087011

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "Wayno put it all into perspective a few posts back so at this stage that dead horse is well and truly flogged."
I agree with Wayno's post, just making the point that those sanctimonious posters last summer have disappeared. So many were absolutely furious about Connolly and the same people are dismissive of Morans actions.

FOB (Dublin) - Posts: 912 - 22/03/2018 19:33:33    2087090

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Can't believe this thing has gone on for 10 pages worth of replies. Andy Moran did less than want Diarmuid did and I said back then there was nothing in the Connolly incident and there was even less in Moran's incident. Drop this bickering and nonsense for God's sake lads and just let it go.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 22/03/2018 20:06:32    2087097

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Replying To FOB:  "I agree with Wayno's post, just making the point that those sanctimonious posters last summer have disappeared. So many were absolutely furious about Connolly and the same people are dismissive of Morans actions."
There's been ten pages of it mate. I think it's been well and truly debated. Looks like it a dead issue at this stage. If Moran was going to be banned it would have happened by now.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 22/03/2018 21:54:12    2087129

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Replying To kildare73:  "There's been ten pages of it mate. I think it's been well and truly debated. Looks like it a dead issue at this stage. If Moran was going to be banned it would have happened by now."
Rules only apply to some Counties no matter what the camera shows up ,but good luck to Andy Moran it's not his fault .I just hope Donegal can nullify that decision come Sunday .No organisation is perfect and the Gaa is no different .

gaanervous (Donegal) - Posts: 186 - 23/03/2018 10:30:26    2087195

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Andy Moran was dealt with by the referee on the day , he took his punishment and shook hands with the ref, end of story

culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 23/03/2018 13:35:32    2087248

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Replying To culmore:  "Andy Moran was dealt with by the referee on the day , he took his punishment and shook hands with the ref, end of story"
That should never be the case. Incidents should always be open to further investigation/deliberation

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/03/2018 13:51:26    2087253

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Replying To culmore:  "Andy Moran was dealt with by the referee on the day , he took his punishment and shook hands with the ref, end of story"
Tell that to the other lads that weren't as lucky as Moran!

DannyMcA (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 23/03/2018 14:17:39    2087260

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "That should never be the case. Incidents should always be open to further investigation/deliberation"
Do you mean every controversial incident in a game or just those that the ref dealt with?

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 23/03/2018 17:20:19    2087288

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Replying To culmore:  "Andy Moran was dealt with by the referee on the day , he took his punishment and shook hands with the ref, end of story"
This misconception is part of the problem to be honest. Everyone seems to accept that the ref dealt with the 'remonstrating' by Moran, which is rightly a black card, but if that's the case then he obviously didn't deal with the minor physical interference with the official, which is the rule Connolly, Comerford and several others fell foul of in the last year. If he didn't then the cccc could have revisited the incident, and if the ref claims he had dealt with the physical interference issue then he obviously applied the wrong rule so yet again the cccc would have the power to act.
I honestly don't care one way or another if Moran is sanctioned, but the notion that a players character, previous record or the public perception of him should alter how the rules are applied in a game, or subsequent to a game, is wrong.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 23/03/2018 18:30:25    2087299

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is Andy available for Sunday lads?

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 23/03/2018 18:57:01    2087301

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Replying To AHP:  "This misconception is part of the problem to be honest. Everyone seems to accept that the ref dealt with the 'remonstrating' by Moran, which is rightly a black card, but if that's the case then he obviously didn't deal with the minor physical interference with the official, which is the rule Connolly, Comerford and several others fell foul of in the last year. If he didn't then the cccc could have revisited the incident, and if the ref claims he had dealt with the physical interference issue then he obviously applied the wrong rule so yet again the cccc would have the power to act.
I honestly don't care one way or another if Moran is sanctioned, but the notion that a players character, previous record or the public perception of him should alter how the rules are applied in a game, or subsequent to a game, is wrong."
He did deal with the remonstrating.

'Deegan deemed that Moran had remonstrated in an aggressive manner with a match official, one of the five 'Cynical Behaviour Fouls', brought in for the inception of th e black card in 2014.

As Deegan dealt with the issue at the time, the CCCC have no scope to enforce a ban or ask the experienced official to review the incident.

Had Deegan deemed Moran's infraction to be 'minor physical interference with an official,' he would have been obliged to issue a red card and the CCCC would automatically have recommended a 12-week ban.'

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7345 - 23/03/2018 20:01:28    2087304

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Replying To AHP:  "This misconception is part of the problem to be honest. Everyone seems to accept that the ref dealt with the 'remonstrating' by Moran, which is rightly a black card, but if that's the case then he obviously didn't deal with the minor physical interference with the official, which is the rule Connolly, Comerford and several others fell foul of in the last year. If he didn't then the cccc could have revisited the incident, and if the ref claims he had dealt with the physical interference issue then he obviously applied the wrong rule so yet again the cccc would have the power to act.
I honestly don't care one way or another if Moran is sanctioned, but the notion that a players character, previous record or the public perception of him should alter how the rules are applied in a game, or subsequent to a game, is wrong."
The perception you have doesn't help either. And it seems to be the view of many. I'll put my view first. I believe every form however small of physical aggression against officials should be dealt with harshly. Diarmuid Connolly incident was crystal clear. 100% indisputable. The linesman first. And the referee after failed to do their job correctly in sending Connolly off. His ban is laid out in the rules. Deegan gave Andy Moran a black card for dissent or questioning a decision aggressively. Now. If there was physical contact Deegan must of felt it was accidental. The problem here is people are saying Deegan doesn't know what he felt or the situation he was in. Of all referees Deegan is quick with the card and I believe if he believed Morans actions were intentional he would of had no problem sending him off. And his twelve week ban would of been followed. Only Deegan and the match report would tell what he felt happened. And it's not something we are privy too. So two ways to look at it. Deegan did what he felt was correct and reported this in his report after. Or two there is a big conspiracy against Dublin, Tipperary, Clare and any other team that have suffered from this rule.

SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts: 591 - 23/03/2018 20:11:09    2087305

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The problem is consistency, Colm Boyle took Mc Geary out of the game with a dangerous late challenge, gets a reluctant yellow card from Deegan, (he also seemed reluctant and apologetic giving Moran the black card)
McNulty hits Keegan hard in a fair enough challenge for the ball, {at least the ball was there) and gets a straight red, seems to me it depends where you're from.
I said earlier if it was a Tyrone man that barged in with the chest aggressively like that to the ref the League Sunday panel would have been crying blue murder (as was the case with Diarmuid Connolly last year)
all players are equal but some are more equal than others.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2747 - 23/03/2018 20:16:14    2087307

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "The problem is consistency, Colm Boyle took Mc Geary out of the game with a dangerous late challenge, gets a reluctant yellow card from Deegan, (he also seemed reluctant and apologetic giving Moran the black card)
McNulty hits Keegan hard in a fair enough challenge for the ball, {at least the ball was there) and gets a straight red, seems to me it depends where you're from.
I said earlier if it was a Tyrone man that barged in with the chest aggressively like that to the ref the League Sunday panel would have been crying blue murder (as was the case with Diarmuid Connolly last year)
all players are equal but some are more equal than others."
I can appreciate your first point, Boyle should have at least been shown a black card and in my opinion it should have been a red. Don't know if Deegan was apologetic or not, not having been near enough to hear what he said but to suggest that the "challenge" on Keegan was anything approaching fair beggers belief.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 23/03/2018 23:00:51    2087335

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "The problem is consistency, Colm Boyle took Mc Geary out of the game with a dangerous late challenge, gets a reluctant yellow card from Deegan, (he also seemed reluctant and apologetic giving Moran the black card)
McNulty hits Keegan hard in a fair enough challenge for the ball, {at least the ball was there) and gets a straight red, seems to me it depends where you're from.
I said earlier if it was a Tyrone man that barged in with the chest aggressively like that to the ref the League Sunday panel would have been crying blue murder (as was the case with Diarmuid Connolly last year)
all players are equal but some are more equal than others."
the ball was where? in Keegans back?

If he was going for the ball why weren't his hands and arms out.

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 23/03/2018 23:12:44    2087338

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The GAA enforcement of rules is a joke. 12 weeks for Diarmuid Connolly for an offence and 0 weeks for Andy Moran for the same offence. As far as I can see the reasoning is as below which means a team can be missing a star player for the whole summer based not on whether an offence was committed but on whether the referee on the day remembers to give a black card...

"As Deegan dealt with the issue at the time, the CCCC have no scope to enforce a ban or ask the experienced official to review the incident."

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 24/03/2018 09:58:37    2087374

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Replying To SamandLiamSoon:  "The perception you have doesn't help either. And it seems to be the view of many. I'll put my view first. I believe every form however small of physical aggression against officials should be dealt with harshly. Diarmuid Connolly incident was crystal clear. 100% indisputable. The linesman first. And the referee after failed to do their job correctly in sending Connolly off. His ban is laid out in the rules. Deegan gave Andy Moran a black card for dissent or questioning a decision aggressively. Now. If there was physical contact Deegan must of felt it was accidental. The problem here is people are saying Deegan doesn't know what he felt or the situation he was in. Of all referees Deegan is quick with the card and I believe if he believed Morans actions were intentional he would of had no problem sending him off. And his twelve week ban would of been followed. Only Deegan and the match report would tell what he felt happened. And it's not something we are privy too. So two ways to look at it. Deegan did what he felt was correct and reported this in his report after. Or two there is a big conspiracy against Dublin, Tipperary, Clare and any other team that have suffered from this rule."
I don't want to get into a back and forth on this but I will make just one point. You say that Deegan must have thought that any contact was accidental, but that doesn't come into it. The rule deals with physical contact with an official, intent, or lack of it, is not for the referee to determine, just was there contact or not, and given that Moran ran towards the ref to start with, it is hard to suggest that he accidentally bumped into him.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 24/03/2018 10:24:08    2087375

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Replying To AHP:  "I don't want to get into a back and forth on this but I will make just one point. You say that Deegan must have thought that any contact was accidental, but that doesn't come into it. The rule deals with physical contact with an official, intent, or lack of it, is not for the referee to determine, just was there contact or not, and given that Moran ran towards the ref to start with, it is hard to suggest that he accidentally bumped into him."
I don't particular want a back in forth either. People's minds are pretty set on what they believe. But in relation to "contact with the referee" it happens a lot. Patting him on the back trying to avoid a booking and being pushed into him during a "melee" or what not. It happens. I would interpret the rule as intentional and aggressive physical contact no matter how small. I'm not sure you can punish a lad or lady for coming into contact with a ref accidentally.

SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts: 591 - 24/03/2018 10:53:05    2087378

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