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I would agree about Donaghy retiring. I think that he does have the right to go rather than be pushed. But he should make the right choice here. Unless he is planning writing 'what do you think about that that'?

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 28/01/2017 17:20:25    1949472

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Well said Pericles, euan makenna was on Matt cooper last night and the amount of funding the dubs are getting is even more then we all first thought.
It's getting to the point now where the only option left us counties outside the pale will be to revolt.
If Kerry cork mayo Galway Donegal Tyrone and a few more counties pull their intercounty teams from competitions then the GAA would have to do something about the Dublin abomination.
It's a shame that it would have to come to a civil war but it might be the only way to save our sports I'm afraid ."
Thats a broad presumption on what other counties "would do" mate. What do you think Dublin would do?

1)One of two things, stay with the GAA and scare the bejaysus out of every other county over the loss of funding.

2) Form a breakaway and alternative competition, like the Premeier league.

Great i hear you say, now we can gerrymander an All Ireland. Realistically though, what other counties are going to go rouge with a Kerry? If you were a county chairman are you going to go with a market of 2 million people to part of or hitch your wagon to a market of 140k using Kerry as an example. Each county chairman is going to put their ppwn interests first and go with the cash cow.

I would wish any alternative competition without Dublin luck negotiating TV deals without Dublin, who is going to pay anything for sponsorship or Tv rights when you dont include 50% of the countires population, but actively exclude them. Imagine Supervalue sponsoring a competition that actively excluded Dublin, they would be dead in the capital. Skysports arent going to rely on the viewing numbers in Killarney and Belmuttet.

The strategy you talk about is Kamakazie stuff, like it or not the rest of the Gaa benifit greatly from having the Dublin in it.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 28/01/2017 17:40:09    1949486

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You can outstay your welcome and for me Donaghy is doing that, Kerry have a conveyor belt of underage talent coming through Donaghy has had his time move aside and let the young lads play, he'll never have a freaky 2014 again.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 28/01/2017 17:59:36    1949490

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Well said Pericles, euan makenna was on Matt cooper last night and the amount of funding the dubs are getting is even more then we all first thought.
It's getting to the point now where the only option left us counties outside the pale will be to revolt.
If Kerry cork mayo Galway Donegal Tyrone and a few more counties pull their intercounty teams from competitions then the GAA would have to do something about the Dublin abomination.
It's a shame that it would have to come to a civil war but it might be the only way to save our sports I'm afraid ."
Off with you and strike. Doubt any counties would strike. Players usually would rather work hard to try and get to Dublin's level than complain about their funding which they are using smartly. Did you listen to Senan Connell too ? If you take away the money they'll still have a conveyor belt of talent which they planned for years in advance. More importantly they'll still have Jim Gavin. I don't believe for one second McKenna's line about Dublin being split. It will never happep and it should never happen.

Some wanting to turn the All Ireland into a top half and an intermediate Small Ireland championship should be careful what they wish for. This patronising atitude to so-called lesser counties needs to stop. The GAA need to be trying to find ways to improve the standards of the division 3 and 4 counties to give them a fighting chance in the championship. Otherwise they could send players from these counties to other sports because the GAA seem happy to keep them playing at a poor standard.

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http://www.todayfm.com/player/listen_back/7/35275/27th_January_2017_-_The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper_Part_3

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 28/01/2017 18:30:18    1949499

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Thats a broad presumption on what other counties "would do" mate. What do you think Dublin would do?

1)One of two things, stay with the GAA and scare the bejaysus out of every other county over the loss of funding.

2) Form a breakaway and alternative competition, like the Premeier league.

Great i hear you say, now we can gerrymander an All Ireland. Realistically though, what other counties are going to go rouge with a Kerry? If you were a county chairman are you going to go with a market of 2 million people to part of or hitch your wagon to a market of 140k using Kerry as an example. Each county chairman is going to put their ppwn interests first and go with the cash cow.

I would wish any alternative competition without Dublin luck negotiating TV deals without Dublin, who is going to pay anything for sponsorship or Tv rights when you dont include 50% of the countires population, but actively exclude them. Imagine Supervalue sponsoring a competition that actively excluded Dublin, they would be dead in the capital. Skysports arent going to rely on the viewing numbers in Killarney and Belmuttet.

The strategy you talk about is Kamakazie stuff, like it or not the rest of the Gaa benifit greatly from having the Dublin in it."
We all got on fine for 120 years without tv deals and money and sky most counties have everything they need to survive in a dublinless GAA kid you overstate ye'r importance.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 28/01/2017 18:45:19    1949507

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "We all got on fine for 120 years without tv deals and money and sky most counties have everything they need to survive in a dublinless GAA kid you overstate ye'r importance."
You mean Kerry did lol ....

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 28/01/2017 18:55:42    1949512

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Off with you and strike. Doubt any counties would strike. Players usually would rather work hard to try and get to Dublin's level than complain about their funding which they are using smartly. Did you listen to Senan Connell too ? If you take away the money they'll still have a conveyor belt of talent which they planned for years in advance. More importantly they'll still have Jim Gavin. I don't believe for one second McKenna's line about Dublin being split. It will never happep and it should never happen.

Some wanting to turn the All Ireland into a top half and an intermediate Small Ireland championship should be careful what they wish for. This patronising atitude to so-called lesser counties needs to stop. The GAA need to be trying to find ways to improve the standards of the division 3 and 4 counties to give them a fighting chance in the championship. Otherwise they could send players from these counties to other sports because the GAA seem happy to keep them playing at a poor standard.

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To me that answer just smacks of pride, you don't want to say its anyway about the money because as a Mayo fan you don't want to be accused of being a sore loser or to be seen to show weakness that you can't in the long term compete with one of your big rivals the way things are going.

To be honest I would probably have been of the same mind a year ago, before things started to get out in the media and I began to read up and see the amount of money pumped into Dublin at the expense of all the rest.

Yes in the short term Dublin will remain strong, but if the balance is readdressed you will see other counties over the next decade get their houses in Dublin and start to compete. Just like it took 8-9 years for all this money to make its final impact, so it will take the same after hopefully the Dublin funding is brought into line, for the rest given a fair share and the playing field to level.

To me it boggles the mind how anyone can see the amount of money Dublin are being given directly by Croke Park and all of us tax payers compared to the rest and not think it's an issue.

But there was a big long debate about this on here before Christmas and loads of people put forward everything they thought there, so there's probably no reason doing it all again, so I've made the above point and I'll leave it at that.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 28/01/2017 18:58:13    1949514

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "We all got on fine for 120 years without tv deals and money and sky most counties have everything they need to survive in a dublinless GAA kid you overstate ye'r importance."
That's not really true is it, there has always been sponsorship and Certainly media deals since its advent for decades. If the master plan is to go without these, best of luck. Part of the strength of the GAA has been the collective bargaining to develop the game fairly, I have heard counter arguments to Dublins funding being Dublins funding is neglable to what Dublin could raise without collective bargaining independently, maybe that's the way it will eventually go like Rugby and soccer and let counties look after themselves through decentralisation. Now if your strategy is going to be or tricked 50% of the over all market and frankly annoy 50% of your market share the GAA or any other breakaway is in big trouble, I doubt there would be much support to be honest.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 28/01/2017 19:07:42    1949523

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "We all got on fine for 120 years without tv deals and money and sky most counties have everything they need to survive in a dublinless GAA kid you overstate ye'r importance."
Well kid , Kerry might just about have a chance of winning an all Ireland
without Dublin involved, but I wouldn't bet on it .

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 28/01/2017 19:10:03    1949524

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Replying To TheHermit:  "To me that answer just smacks of pride, you don't want to say its anyway about the money because as a Mayo fan you don't want to be accused of being a sore loser or to be seen to show weakness that you can't in the long term compete with one of your big rivals the way things are going.

To be honest I would probably have been of the same mind a year ago, before things started to get out in the media and I began to read up and see the amount of money pumped into Dublin at the expense of all the rest.

Yes in the short term Dublin will remain strong, but if the balance is readdressed you will see other counties over the next decade get their houses in Dublin and start to compete. Just like it took 8-9 years for all this money to make its final impact, so it will take the same after hopefully the Dublin funding is brought into line, for the rest given a fair share and the playing field to level.

To me it boggles the mind how anyone can see the amount of money Dublin are being given directly by Croke Park and all of us tax payers compared to the rest and not think it's an issue.

But there was a big long debate about this on here before Christmas and loads of people put forward everything they thought there, so there's probably no reason doing it all again, so I've made the above point and I'll leave it at that."
Hermit, you're not the wife are you? With your mindreading skills! We lost 8 All Ireland's cos we weren't good enough. Both us and yourselves got fairly close to the Dubs this year though the scoreboard didn't reflect how much better they were I reckon. No point in anyone striking. Difficult to take a Kerryman seriously when he talks about striking.

The GAA need to build from the bottom up or sooner or later club players and division 3 and 4 footballers will lose faith in GAA hierarchy. Some already have I think.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 28/01/2017 20:11:38    1949549

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Is this the div 1 thread or the donaghy is too old and the dubs have too much money forum?

giveballaghback (Roscommon) - Posts: 296 - 28/01/2017 20:40:58    1949560

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Lloyd you better head off shortly to pick up Harry.It's a long aul trip to Donegal on that scooter.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 28/01/2017 22:17:36    1949595

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Lloyd you better head off shortly to pick up Harry.It's a long aul trip to Donegal on that scooter."
What would you know about long journeys kid?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 28/01/2017 23:06:30    1949611

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "What would you know about long journeys kid?"
Sure we'll be in Tralee in a few weeks Lloyd.That's a good bit of a journey.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 29/01/2017 07:43:57    1949647

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Lloyd you better head off shortly to pick up Harry.It's a long aul trip to Donegal on that scooter."
Your posts are getting extremely tiresome. Grow up a bit lad.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 29/01/2017 09:39:37    1949667

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Your posts are getting extremely tiresome. Grow up a bit lad."
Chill out lad !!

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 29/01/2017 09:51:21    1949669

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Your posts are getting extremely tiresome. Grow up a bit lad."
You been tiresome and more than a pain for a long time and you're still at it. Take a break would ya !

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 29/01/2017 10:56:06    1949681

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Sure we'll be in Tralee in a few weeks Lloyd.That's a good bit of a journey."
Ah well there is a first time for every thing, there is a great spot in Tralee called the bullring you should definitely go there if you get a chance :-) hi and don't forget to bring plenty of that Dublin money now ;-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 29/01/2017 11:59:43    1949696

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "You been tiresome and more than a pain for a long time and you're still at it. Take a break would ya !"
Calling posters Harry and Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber is something you would hear on a playground full of children. You have stated before you like thing talk BS, p**s take and turn things into a slag fest. Sometimes posters what to talk GAA. There are other forums and social media for talking BS. We all like the craic but the name calling and p**s taking does get annoying at times. Just saying kid. Anyway good luck
in the league and really looking forward to the 11th in Croke Park.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 29/01/2017 11:59:58    1949697

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Calling posters Harry and Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber is something you would hear on a playground full of children. You have stated before you like thing talk BS, p**s take and turn things into a slag fest. Sometimes posters what to talk GAA. There are other forums and social media for talking BS. We all like the craic but the name calling and p**s taking does get annoying at times. Just saying kid. Anyway good luck
in the league and really looking forward to the 11th in Croke Park."
Ah chillout you sound like a right laugh.
Even the lads down south don't seem to get as wound up as you.Don't know what you are referring to in that post about statement about BS. We can talk GAA and have the crack tooyou should try it sometime.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 29/01/2017 12:09:30    1949702

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