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Couldn't make it to Breffni today for the Tyrone vs Cavan but listening to it on the radio. The ref has made 3 errors regarding the mark already. Commentators going mad, called it a joke. How are the other games going regarding the mark?

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - 08/01/2017 14:35:11    1943936

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2 amazing uncontested catches into the chest so far in Parnell Pk. Breathtaking pieces of skill that now is rewarded with a free kick.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 08/01/2017 14:44:27    1943937

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Couldn't make it to Breffni today for the Tyrone vs Cavan but listening to it on the radio. The ref has made 3 errors regarding the mark already. Commentators going mad, called it a joke. How are the other games going regarding the mark?"
Needs time for players and officials to get used to it. Cynically I thought that it will slow the game down. Didn't realise it can result in a free kick or advantage for the player making the mark. Could be a good introduction to the game but difficult to ref when a player wants the advantage or apply the 5 seconds free kick rule. http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/the-mark-rule-explained/

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 08/01/2017 14:52:55    1943941

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Every single 50/50 kick out that passed the 45 was broken down today in Parnell. Players weren't even trying to catch the ball.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 08/01/2017 16:03:29    1943976

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Replying To MesAmis:  "2 amazing uncontested catches into the chest so far in Parnell Pk. Breathtaking pieces of skill that now is rewarded with a free kick."
Does a catch into the chest count as a mark? Surely the reason for introducing the mark was to encourage high filling. I am completely puzzled. If a player makes any kind of a catch, between the 45's, does it count as a mark?

neverright (Roscommon) - 08/01/2017 16:23:03    1943993

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Replying To neverright:  "Does a catch into the chest count as a mark? Surely the reason for introducing the mark was to encourage high filling. I am completely puzzled. If a player makes any kind of a catch, between the 45's, does it count as a mark?"
If the ball is caught without bouncing or being touched by another player from the kickout past the 45 then a mark shall be awarded. The majority of marks are going to be uncontested catches into the chest. It's a pointless rule change imo

MesAmis (Dublin) - 08/01/2017 16:28:40    1943996

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Replying To neverright:  "Does a catch into the chest count as a mark? Surely the reason for introducing the mark was to encourage high filling. I am completely puzzled. If a player makes any kind of a catch, between the 45's, does it count as a mark?"
Yes, provided the ball doesn't bounce first and it's direct from a lockout (your team's or the opposition's).

Gleebo (Mayo) - 08/01/2017 16:33:35    1943999

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Replying To MesAmis:  "If the ball is caught without bouncing or being touched by another player from the kickout past the 45 then a mark shall be awarded. The majority of marks are going to be uncontested catches into the chest. It's a pointless rule change imo"
Ha, sounds like a video referee is going to become absolutely necessary before too long! Don't know why they call it Gaelic football anymore.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - 08/01/2017 16:48:26    1944003

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Couldn't make it to Breffni today for the Tyrone vs Cavan but listening to it on the radio. The ref has made 3 errors regarding the mark already. Commentators going mad, called it a joke. How are the other games going regarding the mark?"
Didn't witness too much of it in Parnell park today.Cannot see this making too much difference to the game.Perhaps it will develop over time but don't see it at the moment tbh. Weren't too many of the die hards who come out of the woodwork in August there either though.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - 08/01/2017 16:57:48    1944008

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Couldn't make it to Breffni today for the Tyrone vs Cavan but listening to it on the radio. The ref has made 3 errors regarding the mark already. Commentators going mad, called it a joke. How are the other games going regarding the mark?"
Perhaps the commentators don't really know what the rule is. Wouldn't be the first time!!!!

Torcaill (Australia) - 08/01/2017 17:16:33    1944015

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Needs time for players and officials to get used to it. Cynically I thought that it will slow the game down. Didn't realise it can result in a free kick or advantage for the player making the mark. Could be a good introduction to the game but difficult to ref when a player wants the advantage or apply the 5 seconds free kick rule. http://www.gaa.ie/football/news/the-mark-rule-explained/"
It's a complete joke of a rule. There were 5 marks in the Tyrone Cavan game three of them then resulted a throw up. How does that help high fielding or the flow of the game? For each of the 5 "catches" they were all no higher than chest high. It's a complete joke. Yet another stupid rule introduced by a committee

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - 08/01/2017 21:02:10    1944114

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For the Mark to be effective, we need the Joe Brolly zonal set up on kick outs. That is, we need 12 forwards and backs combined behind each 45 , awaiting 4 midfielders to contest the kick out between the 65s. This has the additional effect of limiting the blanket defence.

omahant (USA) - 09/01/2017 02:00:33    1944191

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "It's a complete joke of a rule. There were 5 marks in the Tyrone Cavan game three of them then resulted a throw up. How does that help high fielding or the flow of the game? For each of the 5 "catches" they were all no higher than chest high. It's a complete joke. Yet another stupid rule introduced by a committee"
As per MTM's comments above, the new rule only proceeded to slow the game down in Breffni Park but it wasn't the only thing the ref struggled with (the poor critter looked completely lost at times) so it might not be the best example to make judgements on.

downredhand (Tyrone) - 09/01/2017 09:46:09    1944215

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Replying To omahant:  "For the Mark to be effective, we need the Joe Brolly zonal set up on kick outs. That is, we need 12 forwards and backs combined behind each 45 , awaiting 4 midfielders to contest the kick out between the 65s. This has the additional effect of limiting the blanket defence."
That would really slow the game down. Imagine waiting for players to get into position after every kick out. It'd be a great way for a team to try and kill the game by taking their time to get back into position. An easy way to time waste.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 09/01/2017 10:04:37    1944219

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In Donegal there were a few marks given for uncontested kickouts all of which we just ran anyway (why take a free when your in open play). The one high fielded catch surprisingly didnt get a mark (I suppose refs are still getting use to it). The term without the opposition touching it is strange as generally there are multiple people trying to catch the ball. If any other player puts a finger to it then its not a mark even if the catcher makes an unreal catch. Overall I don't see it being of any real benefit at all.

dstuction (Donegal) - 09/01/2017 10:13:44    1944222

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I like what I saw. There was a moment when Paddy Keannelly for Meath fielded from a kick out with 2 or 3 Wicklow players around. Normally that would of led to an ugly swarm of hassling and leading to the fielder over carrying or losing it. Instead he was rewarded for winning possession and the game moved on. The player even got a round of applause for the field. There was a moment when the referee got a ahead of himself and blew for field before a player caught it and then he dropped it but that can be ironed out.

RoyalBadger (Meath) - 09/01/2017 10:25:14    1944226

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Replying To MesAmis:  "That would really slow the game down. Imagine waiting for players to get into position after every kick out. It'd be a great way for a team to try and kill the game by taking their time to get back into position. An easy way to time waste."
If that happened there would be no fielding. A team will put a runner in midfield and he can use all the empty space to pick up kick outs.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - 09/01/2017 11:17:08    1944242

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "I like what I saw. There was a moment when Paddy Keannelly for Meath fielded from a kick out with 2 or 3 Wicklow players around. Normally that would of led to an ugly swarm of hassling and leading to the fielder over carrying or losing it. Instead he was rewarded for winning possession and the game moved on. The player even got a round of applause for the field. There was a moment when the referee got a ahead of himself and blew for field before a player caught it and then he dropped it but that can be ironed out."
Yeah it was excellent to see, the ref did get excited after the second one, but that's minor. It mightn't make much difference to overall game, but from somebody from my vintage its a art form and hopefully it will increase the amount of high fielding in games.

royaldunne (Meath) - 09/01/2017 12:22:19    1944262

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At O'Byrne game yesterday. 5 long kickouts whole game. Both sides went short throughout, they feared the opposition gaining a mark and shooting or building an attack easily. Saw both sides (with same managers) last year and they were long kickout teams. Fear of opponent marks ruined any high fielding in the game. This will continue.

icehonesty (Wexford) - 09/01/2017 14:17:06    1944304

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Replying To icehonesty:  "At O'Byrne game yesterday. 5 long kickouts whole game. Both sides went short throughout, they feared the opposition gaining a mark and shooting or building an attack easily. Saw both sides (with same managers) last year and they were long kickout teams. Fear of opponent marks ruined any high fielding in the game. This will continue."
I am not sure what football you have been watching over the past few years, nobody kicks high and long because of the fear of losing the ball on the break of from the catch. Dublin go long but goes wide and at a much lower angle. I am not sure it will make a difference - if a team has a big fielder of the ball around the middle it will give another option as at least if he catches it they retain the ball - unlike today.

zinny (Wexford) - 09/01/2017 14:47:02    1944315

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