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Replying To cuederocket: "Great to see GAA & Rugby relations are so good.I must be living under a rock as i never noticed it.
What the GAA powers-that-be decide is good enough for me.I don't agree with it but until we find a better alternative to democracy,i will accept whatever outcome arrives." I'm not trying to be funny, but I think the gaa v rugby animosity is predominantly a Dublin thing. As I said in Dublin its mostly d4 rugby set, v the normal people. But across rest of country its not a elitist thing. I guess that's where the difference lays. I know 4/5 Meath players who played rugby, I dont know if any dub players (county) played rugby at a high level.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 15/11/2016 22:19:09
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I'm not in favour of this at all.
It is not the GAA's job to help out rugby which is a rival.Regardless of the bull that will be spun , all sports are competing with each other for players and fans.
I doubt you'd see Apple helping out Microsoft.
I don't care how unpopular this point of view maybe or supposedly how closed minded it may be considered to be by some people, I don't really care about rugby so why should the GAA be helping them and I don't give a toss about a boost in tourism for a month as that's all this will provide.Nobody from the competing nations is unaware that Ireland exists and it will have no positive tourism boost outside of the time the competition is taking place.
Also I don't see why tax payers money should be wasted on this when we have so many other things the money could be spent on.
Nothing the GAA can do really as they would have been just bullied into doing it by the media so they really have no choice which is quite sad but that's the way the media works.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 15/11/2016 22:27:51
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Replying To royaldunne: "I'm not trying to be funny, but I think the gaa v rugby animosity is predominantly a Dublin thing. As I said in Dublin its mostly d4 rugby set, v the normal people. But across rest of country its not a elitist thing. I guess that's where the difference lays. I know 4/5 Meath players who played rugby, I dont know if any dub players (county) played rugby at a high level." Yes,i understand that rd.It's not a big deal i guess.I'm willing to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear (Irelands Call) to this one.Big shout out to my D4 posse!Rugbys in the house!
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 15/11/2016 22:28:24
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Replying To Breffni39: "So to date, we've given them a stadium a few years ago so Ireland could "mature as a nation". We gave them the unique ability to catch a ball over their heads. And now we're giving them 8 (Eight) stadiums for THEIR Worldwide showcase.
Hard to fathom what they owe us in return." So to date, we've given them a stadium a few years ago so Ireland could "mature as a nation". We gave them the unique ability to catch a ball over their heads. And now we're giving them 8 (Eight) stadiums for THEIR Worldwide showcase.
Hard to fathom what they owe us in return.
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There are players, rugby and aussie rules, all over the World who can catch a ball over their heads and they never touched a gaelic ball.
You can live in the 19th century or the 21st century. As Brian O'Driscoll said on the news this evening, what makes Irish people unique, in a sporting sense, is our love of all sports. Catching the ball over our head certainly doesn't make us unique!! And the skill is seen less often now in gaelic.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 15/11/2016 22:41:07
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gaa vs rugby is very much alive and well in connacht....irfu pumping money into schools to compete directly with gaa within those schools.....school principals see 5k and say yes....bit by bit they are trying to force out our national games...remember the secondary and primary schools are massive links in the gaa chain....oh and from my experience the rugby lads are elitist over here too and all of a sudden everyone (many who never played sport/) are lifelong connacht rugby fans
squares_edge (Galway) - Posts: 680 - 15/11/2016 22:51:21
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How many of the games in the 'World Cup' would draw reasonable crowds?
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 15/11/2016 23:05:36
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Replying To Bain: "I'm all for it, as long as it doesn't cost the gaa a cent and the taxpayers of Ireland a cent. If the irfuu want to host it, stump up all the cash. The country needs other things urgently like broadband nationally. The health services, infrastructure. I don't want absolute millions of euro given over just so a few suits in the Irfu can feel proud for a few weeks. Also I see they haven't included Cardiff in the bid. No World Cup has been held this side of the world without the Welsh getting their pound of flesh. Be interesting to see how they'll pull that stroke off when it's in Japan. Knowing rugby this part of the world, they'll get their way." 2 0f those 3 might be improved by this Bain. The two governments might finally build an M2 motorway from Dublin to Derry. That would be great for Donegal as you would finally get better tranport links to Dublin. Also more people might visit your beautiful county if it's easier to get there.
I'm guessing there would be a broadband upgrade after this.
Hosting a rugby World Cup might encourage more video game loving youngsters to play sport. Being active would have a positive health benefit. In my opinion a good health strategy should focus on prevention to save on the cost of cure. It's a cheaper, better way that I think could alleviate the lack of health services in the long run.
I agree with the guys who think it will be costly and struggle to make a profit. The non-financial benefits are huge though. The self-confidence we would take from it would be incredible. A lot of commentators give the Irish soccer team a lot of credit for The Celtic tiger. It told us as a people we could compete with and beat the best in the world.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 16/11/2016 00:54:49
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Replying To bloodyban: "I wonder did Limerick GAA lobby not to have the Garlic Grounds included. It wouldnt surprise me. I think its a joke that limerick has just one stadium nominated." It's a funny one. Maybe the Irfu were happy to just have Thomond.
It's obviously very politically motivated. Would Castlebar and Celtic Park be included except for Kenny and McGuinness?
Pairc Ui Caoimh was always going to be included as Cork is too big to be ignored and it will be a really nice new stadium. Killarney, Kilkenny and Galway are big tourist destinations.
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This is where crokers marketing team should be kicking into overdrive. Say there is a game in Limerick between England and Argentina the lads should be hounding media in England with info on GAA in limerick, give a bit of info on it etc. It's a brilliant opportunity to promote the game abroad. It's not hard to pull together a few videos etc. They need to be polluting the airwaves when there is an international audience. The thing is those showing the games would actually lap up this sort of information to fill a void before the Samoa Canada game. There is potential for the GAA to promote their own games here and make a few quid. No brainer for me.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3701 - 15/11/2016 17:24:21
It's a chance to make a few quid for the GAA and to ensure the media doesn't go into overdrive in criticising the GAA for refusing.
The rugby media is going to concentrating on the rugby for the duration and I couldn't see there being much of an interest in anything outside of the rugby. Maybe a few colour pieces here and there but I couldn't see anything lasting coming from it. The vast majority of people watching the rugby will be very familiar with Ireland in anyways as it's the exact same teams every time and they've all played here fairly regularly with the exceptional of a few of the teams that'll be here to make up the numbers, and they're either countries with tiny populations or ones with minimal interest.
The GAA has to completely back this bid. There was no real alternative. Hopefully the GAA can get the best possible deal but I saw on the front of one of the papers that €30m is the figure. Seems a little low to me if I'm honest.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 16/11/2016 08:22:49
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Replying To cuederocket: "Just heard Liam Neesons rendition of "Ready for the World" on Off The Ball.What a cringy load of nonsense.Apparently Kilbanne(is he ever off the tv/radio?) and the lads thought it was very moving.Seriously it was embarrasing and Neeson said the word " world " 18 times in the short ad.Ready for the bin more like.Please God don't give this tournament to Ireland.Between Ireland's Call and Ready for the World i cannot take much more of this." yeah haha I was saying the same could he fit in any more use of the word world
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/11/2016 09:02:50
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Replying To TheHermit: "Exactly, off the top of my head Kerry has only something like 6-7 rugby clubs, all of them in the main towns. We have near 80 GAA clubs. As I said Limerick city is different, for historical reasons. So what huge threat is there for the GAA,? Are 500 rugby clubs going to suddenly appear across the island in the wake of one tournament being hosted here?
One observation I would make about the posts going up is that there seems to be a particular hostility by some towards rugby.
Now as someone who has no real interest in soccer outside of the fortunes of the national team, I'm curious as to why some of you are so hostile to rugby and its perceived threat.
For me soccer, especially underage soccer in places like my hometown of Tralee, would be a far bigger danger to the GAA than rugby ever would.
Is there a bias there simply because a lot of you would consider yourself soccer supporters or do you not think soccer is a much of a threat as rugby. Just curious." I dont think its hostitlity so to say
but if your from dublin you would understand the attitiude of rugby as I said before it dont seem to be the same in places like limerick
but in dublin rugby is an upper class sport, they only want your people of social upper class in their clubs
and its kind of ironic in a way that the constant use of the word professional regarding rugby needs an amature organistaion to have any chance of getting the world cup.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/11/2016 09:07:39
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Replying To janesboro: "Firstly there a lot of work to done in order to win the hosting rights - if we did
I think this will be great for the Gaa because
-they will get their stadiums upgraded
- they will get a load ofmoney for use of the stadiums - which in turn will be reinvested in the sport
with all the visiting fans esp wales and england , then france and scots there will be a lot of money spent in bars hotels and restaurants
really really dissappointed that the Gaelic Grounds is missing out , which means we wont get any really big games here would have loved to had wales in the gaelic grounds with their big travelling support. Bit gutted to be honest
limerick" exactly I cant understand why killarney is in use over gaelic grounds
full capacity of gaelic grounds would be 50 thousand in a city
where as killarney is 45 thousand full capacity in a town
surely if thurles cant host because of lack of beds killarney would struggle to host large matches over a two week period.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/11/2016 09:11:00
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Replying To royaldunne: "I cant understand the objections to this.
The dubs call us culchies yet we seem all more enlightened than our city friends" haha all you see is euro signs
maybe from a gaa perspective its not a smart move people feel
other than money reasons
surely its like supervalu advertising tescos goods in its shop window???
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/11/2016 09:14:18
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Replying To neverright: "How many of the games in the 'World Cup' would draw reasonable crowds?" hahahaha exactly said that myself when questioning the grounds a few pages back
im sure tonga v fiji could fit in connachts ground
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/11/2016 09:20:10
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Replying To Killarney.87: "It's a funny one. Maybe the Irfu were happy to just have Thomond.
It's obviously very politically motivated. Would Castlebar and Celtic Park be included except for Kenny and McGuinness?
Pairc Ui Caoimh was always going to be included as Cork is too big to be ignored and it will be a really nice new stadium. Killarney, Kilkenny and Galway are big tourist destinations." would imagine it was the opposite to the gaelic grounds blocking
as i believe the gaelic grounds itself is badly in need of money to keep the ground going at this stage.
whereas limerick city people would have a conipution fit if they choose it over the hallowed turf of thomond park
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/11/2016 09:23:27
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I dont get the whole anti rugby thing?
Some of the rhetoric is quite funny them versus us for example, almost trumpism in the musings.
I get why people dont like rugby, theres plenty of other sports i dont like no time for MMA/UFC, no time for cricket, dont like boxing amongst others. But dont consider the people that partake in those sports to be a them versus us or in anyway different.
However when it comes to rugby it seems some seem to bring it to an almost middle eastern religious level of hatred for "them" Bizarre to be honest.
Its only a sport lads, relax.
I think its great that the GAA saw fit to help Ireland land the Rugby World cup.
It will be a financial boost to the GAA along with an improvement in the facilities at some of the grounds selected. Its a boost to the country itself. It will be eventually narrowed down to 8 stadiums i believe
It will be a boost to the country as a whole not just the GAA community and once in doesnt impact on the GAA then whats the issue. We have had huge GAA games moved previously to accomodate an american football game and barely a word about it.
Im from rural Ireland and our GAA club has benefited from co-operation with the local rugby club. The seasons dove tail where rugby is a winter sport and we have seen young fellas come and play GAA from families that would never have had any inclination in the past to play GAA. The same with the local soccer clubs. We took a decision a few years ago as a Club to work with both the soccer and the Rugby clubs rather than pushing against them with ultimatums about choosing "them" or "us". In Wexford there is an ever increasing amount of Clubs that need to join with other clubs to field teams, although a small parish we dont have that issue, numbers have never been higher.
At the end of the day the GAA can make money from stadiums that lie empty for 75% of the year, it will generate significant goodwill and if the GAA are smart its also a way to raise the profile of GAA ona global scale.
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Replying To tearintom: "I dont get the whole anti rugby thing?
Some of the rhetoric is quite funny them versus us for example, almost trumpism in the musings.
I get why people dont like rugby, theres plenty of other sports i dont like no time for MMA/UFC, no time for cricket, dont like boxing amongst others. But dont consider the people that partake in those sports to be a them versus us or in anyway different.
However when it comes to rugby it seems some seem to bring it to an almost middle eastern religious level of hatred for "them" Bizarre to be honest.
Its only a sport lads, relax.
I think its great that the GAA saw fit to help Ireland land the Rugby World cup.
It will be a financial boost to the GAA along with an improvement in the facilities at some of the grounds selected. Its a boost to the country itself. It will be eventually narrowed down to 8 stadiums i believe
It will be a boost to the country as a whole not just the GAA community and once in doesnt impact on the GAA then whats the issue. We have had huge GAA games moved previously to accomodate an american football game and barely a word about it.
Im from rural Ireland and our GAA club has benefited from co-operation with the local rugby club. The seasons dove tail where rugby is a winter sport and we have seen young fellas come and play GAA from families that would never have had any inclination in the past to play GAA. The same with the local soccer clubs. We took a decision a few years ago as a Club to work with both the soccer and the Rugby clubs rather than pushing against them with ultimatums about choosing "them" or "us". In Wexford there is an ever increasing amount of Clubs that need to join with other clubs to field teams, although a small parish we dont have that issue, numbers have never been higher.
At the end of the day the GAA can make money from stadiums that lie empty for 75% of the year, it will generate significant goodwill and if the GAA are smart its also a way to raise the profile of GAA ona global scale." Yeah, I cant stand the whole McGregor thing that he does? What is it uffc ucf ufc?? What ever I dont like it one bit, freind of mine actually saved up and went to watch it in Las Vegas, I see it as a over the top thing like wrestling and just as fake.
But I dont see it as a them v us thing, I would dearly love to go see the Las Rd of f1 , Hamilton v rosberg , others think I'm mad, but that's it different strikes for different people.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/11/2016 09:44:36
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tearintom
you see most country people dont know much about dublin if im being honest
they think we all have ryan tubridy accents and pockets to match
or else we have nidge from love/hate accent and are involved in same trade as him.
they think dublin starts at the red cow and ends at 3arena and theres no coast line unless your talking about the wild atlantic west sure thats the other side of ireland BOYYYYYYYYYYYYY.
the media versus the people
rugby is very much a minority in dublin yet look at the coverage it gets nationaly which is described as dublin media by country folk
which in turn leads them to think rugby must be huge in dublin.
its an upper class sport, inclusive to those from high social status, your doctors, your lawyers.
your ivor's of this world, would you like to be classed as an ivor?????
so next time someone from dublin thinks your a cabbage munching culchie farmer just because your from the country
would you say sure whats the big deal with that haha
gaa and soccer are sports played by ordinary people in dublin, they accept anybody as sport should be
rugby clubs in dublin look down their noses and only want the a type of person to keep their clubs at a high social standard.
On the northside of dublin rugby barely exists even.
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The Independents reaction today to the GAA giving 8 of their Stadia for the IRFU bid is to moan about how much the GAA might make out of it rather than a bit of credit for the GAA helping out another sports body with their attempts to pull in a big Competition in their sport..the GAA cant win when the Independent are involved.....
hurler32 (Limerick) - Posts: 867 - 16/11/2016 09:53:36
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It is not the GAA's job to help out rugby which is a rival.Regardless of the bull that will be spun , all sports are competing with each other for players and fans.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:1014 - 15/11/2016 22:27:51
just as well soccer didnt take this attitude or you would never have had gaa at wembley
http://craic-it.com/watch-dublins-gaa-victory-kerry-wembley/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lmw9tMYVd4
Google gaa wembley youd find lots of videos -used to be very common
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 16/11/2016 09:55:41
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