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12 stadia to make up Ireland's 2023 RWC Bid

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Sorry can't agree with you there. Why would you not rent out stadiums and showcase what the gaa has to foreigners and millions of people throughout the globe. Heck you could even showcase the stadiums to people in our own country who don't know what we have.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3698 - 15/11/2016 13:17:47


A rugby cup won't showcase the GAA at all.

Not definitely against it or anything but I just don't think that that is a reason for doing it.

For me there are two reasons why the GAA should assist in this venture.

1. Investment in GAA facilities.

2. The negative hounding of the GAA from the private school educated media would be astronomical if they refused."
This is where crokers marketing team should be kicking into overdrive. Say there is a game in Limerick between England and Argentina the lads should be hounding media in England with info on GAA in limerick, give a bit of info on it etc. It's a brilliant opportunity to promote the game abroad. It's not hard to pull together a few videos etc. They need to be polluting the airwaves when there is an international audience. The thing is those showing the games would actually lap up this sort of information to fill a void before the Samoa Canada game. There is potential for the GAA to promote their own games here and make a few quid. No brainer for me.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - 15/11/2016 17:24:21    1934436

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Will this be the first time a major world sporting event will be hosted by a different sport???

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 15/11/2016 17:38:07    1934443

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Replying To bumpernut:  "Ah offside, he'll be like a dog with a bone on this thread ffs

I could also picture him foaming at the mouth as Athlone has been completely overlooked!"
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Offside_Rule (Antrim) - 15/11/2016 17:49:43    1934451

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Will this be the first time a major world sporting event will be hosted by a different sport???"
No. Off the top of my head I can think of USA 94

Weary (None) - 15/11/2016 18:01:07    1934455

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Replying To bumpernut:  "Ah offside, he'll be like a dog with a bone on this thread ffs

I could also picture him foaming at the mouth as Athlone has been completely overlooked!"
Bumpernut, you have a vested Interest in the proposed Casement Park, you admitted you work with the Design team for the project, you stand to profit from it going ahead and are on here promoting it. You joke about my persistence with criticising the Proposed Casement Park project, yet conveniently Ignore your own bias, and the clear bias of the Antrim posters.

Reasons why I am so strongly against the Proposed Casement park project, which appears to be really corrupt.

PURPOSE: This proposed Casement Park is Intended to be the Provincial Stadium of Ulster, not simply a County Ground for Antrim, and it is not fit for that Intended purpose.

FACTS

- SMALLER CAPACITY: Proposed Casement capacity now reduced 34,000 due to site limitations, now actually smaller than Clones with zero scope for expansion ( Proposed Capacity was recently reduced, meaning future expansion is very unlikely). Ulster will remain the only Province in Ireland with no 40,000 Capacity Stadium.

- POOR PARKING: The Proposed Casement has extremely limited parking, and most fans having to use a Park & Ride facility, It has arguably worst parking than Clones!! and lack of parking provisions in planning mean Stadium designers had to add "Park & Ride" facilities to cope with crowds of GAA fans. Casement has not held matches for crowds over 30,000 in modern times, and its parking is deemed insufficient for that number of people.

- TRAVEL FROM ALL 9 COUNTIES: Fans from various parts of SW/West/NW Ulster will need approximately 2 hours to travel to Casement, this has not improved on Clones. A central located Provincial Stadium could see almost all fans reach it in an hour or less.

- EXCESSIVE COST: The Proposed 34,000 Capacity Casement will cost at least £77 million/€86 million, with 45,770 Capacity Pairc Ui Chaoimh in Cork costing €60 million. A central ground like Healy Park in Omagh could be expanded or upgraded for £20-25 million.

- ZERO BENEFIT OF BELFAST LOCATION FOR PROVINCIAL VENUE: Arguments for why a Provincial Stadium should be located in Belfast City are severely negated when considering that
- Provincial fans don't fly to matches (No need for airports),
- They rarely if ever stay overnight ( No need for hotel's or B&B's etc),
- They don't tend to have time on match day to take in the shopping, and post match traffic makes travelling into the City for food unattractive.

WHO BENEFITS FROM THE PROPOSED CASEMENT?
Sinn Fein - They will claim this as an Iconic symbol of what they have done for West Belfast, even though they played little or no part in it.
IRFU/British Rugby - They need 12 Stadiums for a RWC bid, and this British funded proposal would give them a larger Belfast option than Ravenhill.
Antrim GAA & Down GAA - While primarily Antrim GAA stand to benefit ( See mass Antrim support on here), It is also on Down's doorstep.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - 15/11/2016 18:03:07    1934456

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How ironic, without the GAA's help the IRFU could not host a rugby world cup. An amateur organisation being relied upon for a showcase world event. Hard to believe that the rugby fraternity which is supported by predominately by the middle to upper classes is not in a position to go solo on their bid to win the staging of it. GAA should do a serious cost benefit analysis on providing the stadia. Rugby is competing for the youth of tomorrow and are becoming very successful in developing interest throughout underage levels which is not a good thing for the GAA in promoting their games.

Adamski (Dublin) - Posts:287 - 15/11/2016 17:00:29


While Rugby in terms of participation and support at club level is still a long way behind the GAA, the push to host this RWC shows Rugby has demonstrated they wield significant political power. When you consider that both Ireland and Britain are struggling financially, yet a whole host of Stadiums are currently being upgraded around the Country, It shows the RWC was probably the reason behind these developments all along.

Personally I am in favour of Ireland hosting the Rugby World Cup, despite having serious concerns over Casement Park and the major flaws and issues around that project, especially with GAA fans being treated like peasants in Ulster. I don't think the RWC will do much economically for Ireland, or promoting the GAA abroad, but I think the event will give morale a boost across the Island.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - 15/11/2016 18:20:12    1934460

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Will this be the first time a major world sporting event will be hosted by a different sport???"
World Cup 94 used stadiums from other sports.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - 15/11/2016 18:26:26    1934464

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Which grounds can host England. Their Anthem won't be welcome in a number of those grounds I'm sure.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:1154 - 15/11/2016 16:52:00 1


They had it blaring in Croke Park not that long ago, so I reckon anything goes now.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - 15/11/2016 18:29:59    1934466

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Replying To Whammo86:  "The voice of reason again.

Just to add it's been shown in studies that this is the case.

People tend to have places they plan to visit at some point, if they do so for a World Cup they will then tick it off their list. There's a bit of a bump from people who wouldn't have otherwise come but it's not even close to the impact that governments tend to claim when they announce they're bidding for things.

I don't have a problem with the stadia being used for this but what does piss me off is the hypocrisy of the GAA. Last year they fined a club for letting their pitches be used for a soccer school being run. This whole selective application of rules is a joke and it's being driven by the bottom line."
Yeah, an amateur { ahem } association fining a member for allowing another sport to use for summer camps, or train to help offset the huge running costs of maintaining a club and then agreeing to rent out grounds for the RUGBY world cup. Only in frikking Ireland. Has croke park asked the members of these counties that have grounds named if they agree to allow the grounds to be used or is it a case of do as I say not as I do. Considering the ban on clubs renting grounds I think the gaa knows the answer so are putting out the dictat that they are giving the permission. It's all about the money joe. How will this show case the unique games of the gaa only to show off the nice stadiums.

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - 15/11/2016 18:44:52    1934471

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This is where crokers marketing team should be kicking into overdrive. Say there is a game in Limerick between England and Argentina the lads should be hounding media in England with info on GAA in limerick, give a bit of info on it etc. It's a brilliant opportunity to promote the game abroad. It's not hard to pull together a few videos etc. They need to be polluting the airwaves when there is an international audience. The thing is those showing the games would actually lap up this sort of information to fill a void before the Samoa Canada game. There is potential for the GAA to promote their own games here and make a few quid. No brainer for me.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3701 - 15/11/2016 17:24:21


Keep in mind the level of promotion and Investment in Rugby promotion that will take place in the run up to that RWC if Ireland's bid is successful, I think the GAA would have limited success.

While I have already said I am broadly in favour of Ireland hosting a Rugby World Cup, I just wouldn't expect huge financial returns or a huge uptake of Gaelic Games after a RWC in Ireland. The event is what it is, and I support it on that basis alone so long as the GAA and GAA fans are not made to suffer in years to come because of short sighted rash decisions made to simply host this World Cup.

The main benefit for us is that the event would be a huge morale boost to the Island, a welcome boost to people across the Island, additionally It will probably also see some people visit Ireland for the first time.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - 15/11/2016 19:01:09    1934475

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Lads, a hard Brexit could be a disaster for this. Also, would the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick not be more attractive than Thomand?

keeper7 (Longford) - 15/11/2016 19:08:10    1934478

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Just heard Liam Neesons rendition of "Ready for the World" on Off The Ball.What a cringy load of nonsense.Apparently Kilbanne(is he ever off the tv/radio?) and the lads thought it was very moving.Seriously it was embarrasing and Neeson said the word " world " 18 times in the short ad.Ready for the bin more like.Please God don't give this tournament to Ireland.Between Ireland's Call and Ready for the World i cannot take much more of this.

cuederocket (Dublin) - 15/11/2016 19:13:08    1934479

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Which grounds can host England. Their Anthem won't be welcome in a number of those grounds I'm sure."
Ahh come on, are we still obsessed with anthems? Jesus Christ will you look at America and see what happens when you start to discriminate against another country. Cop yourself on, its 2016 not 1916.

royaldunne (Meath) - 15/11/2016 19:17:59    1934480

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Great gesture by the Gaa, fairplay to them, I think it would be absolutely brilliant for Ireland to host the RWC and I'd be delighted if we got it.

Htaem (Meath) - 15/11/2016 19:19:03    1934481

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Will this be the first time a major world sporting event will be hosted by a different sport???"
2007 and 2015 RWCs mainly used soccer stadiums
2010 soccer world cup used rugby stadiua - blue bulls could not play their super rugby semi final and final in their home ground loftus versfeld due to it
2000 and 2008 rugby league world cup finals were in old trafford -millenium stadium cardiff, twickenham wembley were used even had games in windsor park tolka and thomond park
2015 Cricket world cup used no of rugby stadiums

janesboro (Limerick) - 15/11/2016 19:20:26    1934483

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Will this be the first time a major world sporting event will be hosted by a different sport???"
2007 and 2015 RWCs mainly used soccer stadiums
2010 soccer world cup used rugby stadiua - blue bulls could not play their super rugby semi final and final in their home ground loftus versfeld due to it
2000 and 2008 rugby league world cup finals were in old trafford -millenium stadium cardiff, twickenham wembley were used even had games in windsor park tolka and thomond park
2015 Cricket world cup used no of rugby stadiums

janesboro (Limerick) - 15/11/2016 19:21:14    1934484

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "its kind of a myth though that rugby is so strong in munster in terms of playing the sport.
they had a flag parade before the friendly against the maori selection last weekend
and the annuncer said all 66 clubs that make up the munster rugby family were represented.
66 clubs is hardly huge for the 6 counties.
in limerick they have how many clubs in the whole county? 10-15?
Id say they have three times that amount of soccer clubs there."
Exactly, off the top of my head Kerry has only something like 6-7 rugby clubs, all of them in the main towns. We have near 80 GAA clubs. As I said Limerick city is different, for historical reasons. So what huge threat is there for the GAA,? Are 500 rugby clubs going to suddenly appear across the island in the wake of one tournament being hosted here?

One observation I would make about the posts going up is that there seems to be a particular hostility by some towards rugby.

Now as someone who has no real interest in soccer outside of the fortunes of the national team, I'm curious as to why some of you are so hostile to rugby and its perceived threat.

For me soccer, especially underage soccer in places like my hometown of Tralee, would be a far bigger danger to the GAA than rugby ever would.

Is there a bias there simply because a lot of you would consider yourself soccer supporters or do you not think soccer is a much of a threat as rugby. Just curious.

TheHermit (Kerry) - 15/11/2016 19:23:53    1934485

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Replying To Weary:  "No. Off the top of my head I can think of USA 94"
USA 94, and (shock, horror) the last Rugby World Cup in the UK.

Despite having plenty of large rugby stadia, they used Wembley, Elland Road, St James' Park, the KP Stadium, and a couple more soccer stadia.


Hosting a tournament like this is as much about the towns and cities as it is the stadia - of course the anti-rugby brigade on here would be the very same people pointing this out if it were another sport that Ireland were bidding to host.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - 15/11/2016 19:27:17    1934488

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "Which grounds can host England. Their Anthem won't be welcome in a number of those grounds I'm sure.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:1154 - 15/11/2016 16:52:00 1


They had it blaring in Croke Park not that long ago, so I reckon anything goes now."
England matches probably in The Aviva or Croker because they'll have a large amount of supporters.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - 15/11/2016 19:29:44    1934489

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Firstly there a lot of work to done in order to win the hosting rights - if we did
I think this will be great for the Gaa because
-they will get their stadiums upgraded
- they will get a load ofmoney for use of the stadiums - which in turn will be reinvested in the sport

with all the visiting fans esp wales and england , then france and scots there will be a lot of money spent in bars hotels and restaurants

really really dissappointed that the Gaelic Grounds is missing out , which means we wont get any really big games here would have loved to had wales in the gaelic grounds with their big travelling support. Bit gutted to be honest




limerick

janesboro (Limerick) - 15/11/2016 19:39:08    1934492

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