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12 stadia to make up Ireland's 2023 RWC Bid

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Replying To janesboro:  "agreed just i think people lump gaelic football and hurling together too much..same organisation but they are different sports
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:970 - 17/11/2016 20:36:57 1935195

i suppose they are sister sports, i always find it strange to see hurling fans down here and they treat football with distain!
while id be more into hurling i still support the footballers too"
i think its a lot do with football being more popular i guess...but i suppose they view each other as competition nowadays because there arent the same amount of dual players

alano12 (Dublin) - 17/11/2016 23:11:42    1935232

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Haha, they need a mandatory purchase order to sort stuff like that out.

I would see road upgrades as a big benefit of a successful bid. Derry and Donegal would get more tourists from the south of the island if it was easier to get there.

Mayo would definitely benefit too as I am sure the road from Mullingar to Castlebar would be upgraded too.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1395 - 17/11/2016 12:35:01 1


I would be concerned if the the road network was only upgraded because of a Rugby World Cup, that would seriously worry me.

The Provincial and All Ireland Championships draw more people every year up and down the roads, than a RWC is likely to do. So if those in power only choose to upgrade the roads now because of the RWC, I would ask serious questions about why they couldn't do it for GAA fans.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - 18/11/2016 10:21:12    1935282

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "Haha, they need a mandatory purchase order to sort stuff like that out.

I would see road upgrades as a big benefit of a successful bid. Derry and Donegal would get more tourists from the south of the island if it was easier to get there.

Mayo would definitely benefit too as I am sure the road from Mullingar to Castlebar would be upgraded too.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1395 - 17/11/2016 12:35:01 1


I would be concerned if the the road network was only upgraded because of a Rugby World Cup, that would seriously worry me.

The Provincial and All Ireland Championships draw more people every year up and down the roads, than a RWC is likely to do. So if those in power only choose to upgrade the roads now because of the RWC, I would ask serious questions about why they couldn't do it for GAA fans."
Good point. GAA games are there long bebore and will ne there long after any RWC, if it happens.

Their road priorities shold first be to try and eliminate accident blackspots. GAA supporters do use the roads to games a lot but it's during the summer when road conditions are not too bad.

It's this time of year that driving on bad roads are more dangerous. More important to upgrade bad roads for local traffic using them 12 months a year than any out of town sportsfans, regardless of what sports, who travel the road 2 or 3 times a year.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 18/11/2016 11:32:36    1935310

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "Haha, they need a mandatory purchase order to sort stuff like that out.

I would see road upgrades as a big benefit of a successful bid. Derry and Donegal would get more tourists from the south of the island if it was easier to get there.

Mayo would definitely benefit too as I am sure the road from Mullingar to Castlebar would be upgraded too.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1395 - 17/11/2016 12:35:01 1


I would be concerned if the the road network was only upgraded because of a Rugby World Cup, that would seriously worry me.

The Provincial and All Ireland Championships draw more people every year up and down the roads, than a RWC is likely to do. So if those in power only choose to upgrade the roads now because of the RWC, I would ask serious questions about why they couldn't do it for GAA fans."
Never mind the RWC or GAA fans , maybe just fix the bloomin roads because of the fact that 99% of us pay to have decent roads. That's a good enough reason to expect decent roads.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - 18/11/2016 13:44:29    1935344

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If people think that the Irish government and the storming committe are going to upgrade the N2 and A5 to Derry for a few hundred Fijian and Romanian rugby fans, they are deluded. They haven't done it for about half a million people along the route, they won't for a few dead rubber rugby games.
On another note, the irfu have missed out big time on a joint effort between Ulster and Derry city (fai at fault here too, no shock) in having a combined ground in the city. Derry could play there all year and Ulster could have had a few games against the rubbish teams like zebre and treviso there. If they want to spread the game this would be better than a few pointless World Cup games. So much for taking advantage of the buzz and spreading the game in the 4th biggest city in the country.

Bain (Donegal) - 18/11/2016 13:54:03    1935347

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Replying To janesboro:  "Alano
"dublin are the best supported team in the country and it isnt close... 
dublins attendances during our long wait for sam speaks for itself 
And please dont tell me 16 years is a long wait , we are 43 year and counting - thats an eternity!"
those 2 statements i made are both factual..

they are not the best, they are supported as good as anybody else but no better or worse -While dublin do have great support it is pro rata to their population other counties have equally good support but dont have the population. I remember being at a limerick v longford qualifier in longford in 2002 there was 3600 at it (mostly longford) the following year same counties played up there it was 2000 (mostly longford) and i was at that one too, The population of Longford is around 40k , so to me pro rata they would be as good as dublin.

.what is the population of munster?..
around 1.2 million, of which id estimate 450k is would be within 1-1.5 hour drive of limerick city , bear in mind south of limerick there is no motorway and not great public transport. So pro rata its still comparable. not as good as dublin but competitive , but most of the support base is limerick , not all but most. Of course gaa support in the province massively massively outweights rugby always has always will. Bear in mind im as much a hurling/football fanatic as i am rugby - i love em all

Of course the support is down i said that in a previous post on this thread thats what happens when teams win/lose. That said like Dublins support is great (and i have been to good few dublin games), but munster still have great support - i am a season ticket holder and never miss a home game in limerick or cork (unless it clashes with a club game ) i do some away trips too, i see and hear it at games, the crowd going while a lot smaller are still as noisy and passionate, its the same as going to an inter county game, the crowds are smaller than they used to be but the fans are still as good and as vocal

its a load of nonsense about how good munsters support is..i.e deserving special treatment or whatever...they were very loud about how great their support was when they were winning but once they stopped winning it completely fell off

Your comments above suggest your being a bit loud yourself about dublin support , of course there was nonsense spoken about some of the munster support -and the support has fallen off but the core support is still there , im still going for better or worse - i never believed the brave and faithful hype, its just marketing hype but then again i never believed that guinnesss was good for me, that mars helped my work rest and play, that peugot was the ride of my ride or in the jolly green giant

and munster fans as good as we are aint no different to rugby fans anywhere else and dont deserves special treatment ,anywhere where theres rugby played theres fans with passion -

but as i said before if the bandwagon want to come and cheer on munster or limerick -they are more than welcome"
Yerra he's probably just a Leinster supporter bitter that Munster fans made the Heino Cup what it was - the greatest rugby tournament in the world before those money grabbing, sore loser English b#llocks destroyed it ;)

TheHermit (Kerry) - 18/11/2016 14:35:25    1935358

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Bain excellent point re ulster and Derry city havin ground in Derry great idea

janesboro (Limerick) - 18/11/2016 14:57:59    1935367

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Replying To TheHermit:  "
Replying To janesboro:  "Alano
"dublin are the best supported team in the country and it isnt close... 
dublins attendances during our long wait for sam speaks for itself 
And please dont tell me 16 years is a long wait , we are 43 year and counting - thats an eternity!"
those 2 statements i made are both factual..

they are not the best, they are supported as good as anybody else but no better or worse -While dublin do have great support it is pro rata to their population other counties have equally good support but dont have the population. I remember being at a limerick v longford qualifier in longford in 2002 there was 3600 at it (mostly longford) the following year same counties played up there it was 2000 (mostly longford) and i was at that one too, The population of Longford is around 40k , so to me pro rata they would be as good as dublin.

.what is the population of munster?..
around 1.2 million, of which id estimate 450k is would be within 1-1.5 hour drive of limerick city , bear in mind south of limerick there is no motorway and not great public transport. So pro rata its still comparable. not as good as dublin but competitive , but most of the support base is limerick , not all but most. Of course gaa support in the province massively massively outweights rugby always has always will. Bear in mind im as much a hurling/football fanatic as i am rugby - i love em all

Of course the support is down i said that in a previous post on this thread thats what happens when teams win/lose. That said like Dublins support is great (and i have been to good few dublin games), but munster still have great support - i am a season ticket holder and never miss a home game in limerick or cork (unless it clashes with a club game ) i do some away trips too, i see and hear it at games, the crowd going while a lot smaller are still as noisy and passionate, its the same as going to an inter county game, the crowds are smaller than they used to be but the fans are still as good and as vocal

its a load of nonsense about how good munsters support is..i.e deserving special treatment or whatever...they were very loud about how great their support was when they were winning but once they stopped winning it completely fell off

Your comments above suggest your being a bit loud yourself about dublin support , of course there was nonsense spoken about some of the munster support -and the support has fallen off but the core support is still there , im still going for better or worse - i never believed the brave and faithful hype, its just marketing hype but then again i never believed that guinnesss was good for me, that mars helped my work rest and play, that peugot was the ride of my ride or in the jolly green giant

and munster fans as good as we are aint no different to rugby fans anywhere else and dont deserves special treatment ,anywhere where theres rugby played theres fans with passion -

but as i said before if the bandwagon want to come and cheer on munster or limerick -they are more than welcome"
Yerra he's probably just a Leinster supporter bitter that Munster fans made the Heino Cup what it was - the greatest rugby tournament in the world before those money grabbing, sore loser English b#llocks destroyed it ;)"
The English and French didnt kill off the European cup. It was the ERC based in Dublin that are most to blame. They thought the English and French would never stand up for themselves. In my opinion if the ERC had made reasonable concessions to the French and English then it would have been fine the er wouldnt have been bypassed.

bloodyban (Limerick) - 18/11/2016 17:21:24    1935392

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People go on here about munster fans ...bandwagon etc. ... yet compared to whichever of the two main gaa sports comes come 2nd in most counties the attandences are fairly comparable

look at munster rugby support versus dublin hurlers
pro 12 game in cork gets 6k - their footballers dont get that
e.g. this year in football championship limerick v clare got 3500 tipp v waterford got 2k, tipp v cork got 3000, kerry hurlers support,

in terms of playing numbers and clubs - gaa both sports are ahead by a mile but in terms of support rugby is comparable to the 2nd sport in most cases

janesboro (Limerick) - 21/11/2016 11:24:32    1935715

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Replying To bloodyban:  "
Replying To TheHermit:  "[quote=janesboro:  "Alano
"dublin are the best supported team in the country and it isnt close... 
dublins attendances during our long wait for sam speaks for itself 
And please dont tell me 16 years is a long wait , we are 43 year and counting - thats an eternity!"
those 2 statements i made are both factual..

they are not the best, they are supported as good as anybody else but no better or worse -While dublin do have great support it is pro rata to their population other counties have equally good support but dont have the population. I remember being at a limerick v longford qualifier in longford in 2002 there was 3600 at it (mostly longford) the following year same counties played up there it was 2000 (mostly longford) and i was at that one too, The population of Longford is around 40k , so to me pro rata they would be as good as dublin.

.what is the population of munster?..
around 1.2 million, of which id estimate 450k is would be within 1-1.5 hour drive of limerick city , bear in mind south of limerick there is no motorway and not great public transport. So pro rata its still comparable. not as good as dublin but competitive , but most of the support base is limerick , not all but most. Of course gaa support in the province massively massively outweights rugby always has always will. Bear in mind im as much a hurling/football fanatic as i am rugby - i love em all

Of course the support is down i said that in a previous post on this thread thats what happens when teams win/lose. That said like Dublins support is great (and i have been to good few dublin games), but munster still have great support - i am a season ticket holder and never miss a home game in limerick or cork (unless it clashes with a club game ) i do some away trips too, i see and hear it at games, the crowd going while a lot smaller are still as noisy and passionate, its the same as going to an inter county game, the crowds are smaller than they used to be but the fans are still as good and as vocal

its a load of nonsense about how good munsters support is..i.e deserving special treatment or whatever...they were very loud about how great their support was when they were winning but once they stopped winning it completely fell off

Your comments above suggest your being a bit loud yourself about dublin support , of course there was nonsense spoken about some of the munster support -and the support has fallen off but the core support is still there , im still going for better or worse - i never believed the brave and faithful hype, its just marketing hype but then again i never believed that guinnesss was good for me, that mars helped my work rest and play, that peugot was the ride of my ride or in the jolly green giant

and munster fans as good as we are aint no different to rugby fans anywhere else and dont deserves special treatment ,anywhere where theres rugby played theres fans with passion -

but as i said before if the bandwagon want to come and cheer on munster or limerick -they are more than welcome"
Yerra he's probably just a Leinster supporter bitter that Munster fans made the Heino Cup what it was - the greatest rugby tournament in the world before those money grabbing, sore loser English b#llocks destroyed it ;)"
The English and French didnt kill off the European cup. It was the ERC based in Dublin that are most to blame. They thought the English and French would never stand up for themselves. In my opinion if the ERC had made reasonable concessions to the French and English then it would have been fine the er wouldnt have been bypassed."]you clearly havent been following my posting if you think im a big leinster fan

alano12 (Dublin) - 21/11/2016 20:57:35    1935836

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Replying To janesboro:  "People go on here about munster fans ...bandwagon etc. ... yet compared to whichever of the two main gaa sports comes come 2nd in most counties the attandences are fairly comparable

look at munster rugby support versus dublin hurlers
pro 12 game in cork gets 6k - their footballers dont get that
e.g. this year in football championship limerick v clare got 3500 tipp v waterford got 2k, tipp v cork got 3000, kerry hurlers support,

in terms of playing numbers and clubs - gaa both sports are ahead by a mile but in terms of support rugby is comparable to the 2nd sport in most cases"
rugby is a popular sport to attend in ireland and watch on tv janesboro..largely due to the success of the clubs in europe and its always been popular enough to attend at international level...like it or not but it has always enjoyed a strong profile and billing in the media dating back years which helps...but soccer is a much more popular sport than rugby in ireland people just forget that because we havent a strong league...as for cork footballer sport..god awful..they only turn up for games against kerry

alano12 (Dublin) - 21/11/2016 21:00:08    1935837

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alano but soccer is a much more popular sport than rugby in ireland
-yeah would be in terms of participtation levels and no of clubs by a mile --be more soccer players in limerick city than rugby or gaa - even in limerick we have two junior leagues the city league has 8 divisions comprising 82 teams (including club c teams) -they do well in munster and fai junior cups as well

janesboro (Limerick) - 21/11/2016 21:56:02    1935853

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Replying To janesboro:  "alano but soccer is a much more popular sport than rugby in ireland
-yeah would be in terms of participtation levels and no of clubs by a mile --be more soccer players in limerick city than rugby or gaa - even in limerick we have two junior leagues the city league has 8 divisions comprising 82 teams (including club c teams) -they do well in munster and fai junior cups as well"
i dont think some people realise just how big soccer is in ireland just we have a poor league relatively speaking is all with low attendances

alano12 (Dublin) - 21/11/2016 22:03:17    1935855

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "Haha, they need a mandatory purchase order to sort stuff like that out.

I would see road upgrades as a big benefit of a successful bid. Derry and Donegal would get more tourists from the south of the island if it was easier to get there.

Mayo would definitely benefit too as I am sure the road from Mullingar to Castlebar would be upgraded too.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1395 - 17/11/2016 12:35:01 1


I would be concerned if the the road network was only upgraded because of a Rugby World Cup, that would seriously worry me.

The Provincial and All Ireland Championships draw more people every year up and down the roads, than a RWC is likely to do. So if those in power only choose to upgrade the roads now because of the RWC, I would ask serious questions about why they couldn't do it for GAA fans."
I'm basing my assumption on the upgrade of a stretch of the N7 for the Ryder cup and the building of motorways in Poland before Euro 2012.

Also there were plans in place to build a motorway from Dublin to Derry pre-bailout so it would be the re-ignition of that plan now that things are better again.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - 30/11/2016 05:37:08    1937442

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I read yesterday that this Rugby Cup will not be coming to Ireland.

In retrospect we've probably dodged a bullet in terms of the transfer of public money into wealthy private hands being the main outcome of such events. Serious question marks over our ability to deliver on necessary infrastructure too that could've been potentially embarrassing but more importantly costly for the taxpayer in terms of the inevitable budget over runs.

We were never going to get any boost economically from such a tournament but it is a pity in some ways as I think people would've really enjoyed the few weeks, especially if the cost could have been kept somewhat down. However probably a good decision made as I'm not convinced we could have afforded such an undertaking in the end as the country, North and South, has some serious issues that need to be addressed instead of a "Bread and Circus' style party!

MesAmis (Dublin) - 16/11/2017 10:43:03    2062626

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I read yesterday that this Rugby Cup will not be coming to Ireland.
In retrospect we've probably dodged a bullet in terms of the transfer of public money into wealthy private hands being the main outcome of such events. Serious question marks over our ability to deliver on necessary infrastructure too that could've been potentially embarrassing but more importantly costly for the taxpayer in terms of the inevitable budget over runs.
We were never going to get any boost economically from such a tournament but it is a pity in some ways as I think people would've really enjoyed the few weeks, especially if the cost could have been kept somewhat down. However probably a good decision made as I'm not convinced we could have afforded such an undertaking in the end as the country, North and South, has some serious issues that need to be addressed instead of a "Bread and Circus' style party!
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:11362 - 16/11/2017 10:43:03
Who are these wealthy private hands that money would be transferred into?
You sure we would never have got any economic boost from this?
What issues that need to be addressed that wouldnt if we hosted a rugby world cup?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - 16/11/2017 12:17:01    2062643

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Ah it was never really on once the French entered the fray. Putting Castlebar, Pearse stadium, Celtic park and Fitzgerald stadium in the bus was a mistake. The whole bid ought to have centred around Dublin, Belfast, Limerick and Cork. 2 stadiums in Belfast , 2 in Limerick, 1 in Cork and 3 in Dublin. These cities are where the game is played. Maybe Pearse stadium in Galway could have been up graded but its a poor small stadium on a beach. The whole bid was a touch preposterous

bloodyban (Limerick) - 16/11/2017 12:32:00    2062644

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Ah it was never really on once the French entered the fray. Putting Castlebar, Pearse stadium, Celtic park and Fitzgerald stadium in the bus was a mistake. The whole bid ought to have centred around Dublin, Belfast, Limerick and Cork. 2 stadiums in Belfast , 2 in Limerick, 1 in Cork and 3 in Dublin. These cities are where the game is played. Maybe Pearse stadium in Galway could have been up graded but its a poor small stadium on a beach. The whole bid was a touch preposterous
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts:728 - 16/11/2017 12:32:00
Was it?
The world cup was never going to he held with multiple stadiums in just 4 cities.
It would be far too much strain on those cities. You need to have use of stadiums in other areas/towns
The game is played across far more than just the cities.
The bid wasnt preposterous.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - 16/11/2017 12:47:04    2062649

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Ah it was never really on once the French entered the fray. Putting Castlebar, Pearse stadium, Celtic park and Fitzgerald stadium in the bus was a mistake. The whole bid ought to have centred around Dublin, Belfast, Limerick and Cork. 2 stadiums in Belfast , 2 in Limerick, 1 in Cork and 3 in Dublin. These cities are where the game is played. Maybe Pearse stadium in Galway could have been up graded but its a poor small stadium on a beach. The whole bid was a touch preposterous
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts:728 - 16/11/2017 12:32:00
Was it?
The world cup was never going to he held with multiple stadiums in just 4 cities.
It would be far too much strain on those cities. You need to have use of stadiums in other areas/towns
The game is played across far more than just the cities.
The bid wasnt preposterous."
Cop on lads this is a GAA forum not a rugby fourm.

heartbroken (Galway) - 16/11/2017 13:15:54    2062656

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Very disappointing not to get the RWC, would have been a great few weeks but anyway that's gone now.

To be fair, France are the most developed country of the 3, they have the best Stadia and infrastructure so they probably are best placed to host it.

But you can understand South Africa and Ireland's grievances. South Africa won the recommendation (make you wonder about the recommendation process and it's worth) and we've never hosted the RWC, despite being a tier one nantion and more than capable of hosting, with the Gaa backing of course and credit to them for it.

Htaem (Meath) - 16/11/2017 13:40:41    2062664

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