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12 stadia to make up Ireland's 2023 RWC Bid

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Sorry can't agree with you there. Why would you not rent out stadiums and showcase what the gaa has to foreigners and millions of people throughout the globe. Heck you could even showcase the stadiums to people in our own country who don't know what we have.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3698 - 15/11/2016 13:17:47


A rugby cup won't showcase the GAA at all.

Not definitely against it or anything but I just don't think that that is a reason for doing it.

For me there are two reasons why the GAA should assist in this venture.

1. Investment in GAA facilities.

2. The negative hounding of the GAA from the private school educated media would be astronomical if they refused."
Again. The elitist thing is only prevalent in Dublin. Most people I know who play rugby down country (meath/Westmeath) would be from middle class or working class. Know one fella who played under shmidt in Mullingar, grew up in council estate, went to the working class school and tech. Only finished up playing with cullion couple years ago. Furthest thing from elite you could imagine, so when you are stereotyping people involved in rugby, please remember that it exists outside the m50 and is quite different.
Best of luck with the bid, be huge boost for country north and south. One draw back , pity navan wasnt included, we would a got new stadium."
Ah well if you know 1 fella then that changes everything.

Breffni39 (Cavan) - 15/11/2016 14:44:54    1934382

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Cue I can see where you are coming from but also you also have to have faith in the GAA - look at its durability and its undiminished popularity across the generations. It has survived nearly tearing itself apart over politics in the 1890s, it survived the Irish Revolution and the Civil War which followed. It has prospered despite the waves of emigration which flowed from this island in the 1930's, 40s, 50s and 80s. Despite the behemoth of global, professional, pay per view sports that have emerged in the last 25 years, tv audiences, match attendances and participation levels for the GAA still dwarf anything else in Ireland.

Rugby will never become what the GAA is simply because (outside of possibly Limerick city), rugby has never been able to become the people's game. In fact the reason rugby has such a special status in Limerick is that around the turn of the 20th century the rugby powers that be in the city decided to use the GAA model and establish parish rugby clubs which played games on Sundays. Given the GAA was so weak in the city at the time, rugby gained its foothold there and never looked back.

Outside of there and few other small pockets, rugby is a niche sport. It has never managed to intertwine itself into Irish society and culture the way the GAA has. Look at the number of rugby clubs and compare them with the hundreds of GAA clubs across every parish on this island. The GAA remains the heart of countless of communities across Ireland. Rugby can't even come close to matching its level.

Rugby will always be the fourth sport behind the two GAA codes and soccer. Yes it is far more popular now than at any stage, but that's on the back of the sport turning professional and the unprecedented success of Irish teams on a national and European stage. I would say a fair few GAA people would now also consider themselves rugby fans. I am. I never really saw rugby growing up, but was exposed to it at college and I became a big fan of Munster etc. But it is always secondary to the GAA and if I had to chose it would be Kerry winning Sam over Ireland winning a Grand Slam everyday of the week!

This is a fantastic opportunity for Ireland to showcase itself to the world and for us to show off the stadium infrastructure that an amateur organisation, playing a sport that hardly anyone outside this Ireland has heard of, can develop on through its own sweat and toil.

We should all get behind this, the GAA has survived and thrived for more than 130 years, it will survive and thrive long after 2023!"
Good post hermit.And yes i do trust the GAA.I was thinking that alrite.No way they would shoot themselves in the foot.Too many sharp operators in the upper echolons of the GAA.Lets see do they win the rights to host it.One thing i'd be sure of is that Ireland would put on a good show.

cuederocket (Dublin) - 15/11/2016 15:03:27    1934389

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They should have built a new Stadium somewhere near Ballygawley so that all Ulster Rugby fans could have got there pretty much at the same time no matter where they are coming from in the 9 counties.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - 15/11/2016 15:04:22    1934390

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Countries that host major sporting events rarely get a tourism boost from it.

They may get more people that particular month but it tends to even out over a number of years.

I don't see why Ireland will be the exception in that. Beware of organisers and politicians spinning lies lads."
The voice of reason again.

Just to add it's been shown in studies that this is the case.

People tend to have places they plan to visit at some point, if they do so for a World Cup they will then tick it off their list. There's a bit of a bump from people who wouldn't have otherwise come but it's not even close to the impact that governments tend to claim when they announce they're bidding for things.

I don't have a problem with the stadia being used for this but what does piss me off is the hypocrisy of the GAA. Last year they fined a club for letting their pitches be used for a soccer school being run. This whole selective application of rules is a joke and it's being driven by the bottom line.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 15/11/2016 15:08:32    1934393

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Hopefully i'll win a nice few bob again like i did the last World Cup when Argentina walloped Ireland.Hype over substance where Ireland are concerned in Rugby.Isn't it true that Ireland have only ever got to a world cup quarter final?That in a game that only 7 or 8 teams are any use?Awful stuff.

cuederocket (Dublin) - 15/11/2016 15:18:24    1934398

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Cue I can see where you are coming from but also you also have to have faith in the GAA - look at its durability and its undiminished popularity across the generations. It has survived nearly tearing itself apart over politics in the 1890s, it survived the Irish Revolution and the Civil War which followed. It has prospered despite the waves of emigration which flowed from this island in the 1930's, 40s, 50s and 80s. Despite the behemoth of global, professional, pay per view sports that have emerged in the last 25 years, tv audiences, match attendances and participation levels for the GAA still dwarf anything else in Ireland.

Rugby will never become what the GAA is simply because (outside of possibly Limerick city), rugby has never been able to become the people's game. In fact the reason rugby has such a special status in Limerick is that around the turn of the 20th century the rugby powers that be in the city decided to use the GAA model and establish parish rugby clubs which played games on Sundays. Given the GAA was so weak in the city at the time, rugby gained its foothold there and never looked back.

Outside of there and few other small pockets, rugby is a niche sport. It has never managed to intertwine itself into Irish society and culture the way the GAA has. Look at the number of rugby clubs and compare them with the hundreds of GAA clubs across every parish on this island. The GAA remains the heart of countless of communities across Ireland. Rugby can't even come close to matching its level.

Rugby will always be the fourth sport behind the two GAA codes and soccer. Yes it is far more popular now than at any stage, but that's on the back of the sport turning professional and the unprecedented success of Irish teams on a national and European stage. I would say a fair few GAA people would now also consider themselves rugby fans. I am. I never really saw rugby growing up, but was exposed to it at college and I became a big fan of Munster etc. But it is always secondary to the GAA and if I had to chose it would be Kerry winning Sam over Ireland winning a Grand Slam everyday of the week!

This is a fantastic opportunity for Ireland to showcase itself to the world and for us to show off the stadium infrastructure that an amateur organisation, playing a sport that hardly anyone outside this Ireland has heard of, can develop on through its own sweat and toil.

We should all get behind this, the GAA has survived and thrived for more than 130 years, it will survive and thrive long after 2023!"
its kind of a myth though that rugby is so strong in munster in terms of playing the sport.
they had a flag parade before the friendly against the maori selection last weekend
and the annuncer said all 66 clubs that make up the munster rugby family were represented.
66 clubs is hardly huge for the 6 counties.
in limerick they have how many clubs in the whole county? 10-15?
Id say they have three times that amount of soccer clubs there.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 15/11/2016 15:29:37    1934402

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On a serious not posters are these stadiums big enough and good enough for a Rugby World Cup ????

clondalkindub (Dublin) - 15/11/2016 15:30:10    1934403

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I dont see how they would be showcasing the gaa stadiums to other countries
90% of the other countries will just assume they are rugby stadiums
if anything you will be giving rugby huge credit for something they didnt build.
leading most abroad to feel wow rugby has some great sized stadiums in ireland it must be the main sport there for sure.
they should techincialy have the comeptition called
the GAA rugby world cup
seen as soccer now call their world cup qualifiers the euros
would the final be in the home of rugby or the home of gaa???

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 15/11/2016 15:34:49    1934406

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  "They should have built a new Stadium somewhere near Ballygawley so that all Ulster Rugby fans could have got there pretty much at the same time no matter where they are coming from in the 9 counties."
Ah offside, he'll be like a dog with a bone on this thread ffs

I could also picture him foaming at the mouth as Athlone has been completely overlooked!

bumpernut (Antrim) - 15/11/2016 15:43:18    1934408

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Its a joke using our stadiums.

Let them use the phoenix park.

daytona11 (Kildare) - 15/11/2016 15:59:43    1934411

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I'd have thought O'Moore Park Portlaoise would be one of the better GAA grounds...?

keeper7 (Longford) - 15/11/2016 16:12:03    1934417

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Why don't they use the soccer stadia here instead of GAA? Oh wait, yeah...

keeper7 (Longford) - 15/11/2016 16:21:39    1934419

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Replying To Whammo86:  "The voice of reason again.

Just to add it's been shown in studies that this is the case.

People tend to have places they plan to visit at some point, if they do so for a World Cup they will then tick it off their list. There's a bit of a bump from people who wouldn't have otherwise come but it's not even close to the impact that governments tend to claim when they announce they're bidding for things.

I don't have a problem with the stadia being used for this but what does piss me off is the hypocrisy of the GAA. Last year they fined a club for letting their pitches be used for a soccer school being run. This whole selective application of rules is a joke and it's being driven by the bottom line."
Exactly Whammo.

Time switchers. A huge amount of people coming here for a Rugby Cup are people that would have come to Ireland in anyways at some stage. So we get them then but lose out on them later.

Also a certain amount of people won't come because there's a sporting event on and a certain amount will leave the country because it's on.

When you average out the tourist numbers for anywhere that hosts a major sporting Championship over a 5 year period it usually comes out as fairly even in comparison to the previous 5 years.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 15/11/2016 16:41:00    1934421

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "I dont see how they would be showcasing the gaa stadiums to other countries
90% of the other countries will just assume they are rugby stadiums
if anything you will be giving rugby huge credit for something they didnt build.
leading most abroad to feel wow rugby has some great sized stadiums in ireland it must be the main sport there for sure.
they should techincialy have the comeptition called
the GAA rugby world cup
seen as soccer now call their world cup qualifiers the euros
would the final be in the home of rugby or the home of gaa???"
From what I've seen so far it'll be in Croker.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 15/11/2016 16:43:11    1934422

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How will this benefit the GAA in the long run? when most club players are crying out looking a decent set fixtures season and seeing the way rugby, soccer etc run their fixtures and consider the welfare of the players first and the paying public with a set timetable looks more than likely rugby could be the big benefactor on more than the money side. Again it's all politics at play with South Africa looking like the favourites since France was the holders in 2007 and more potential for growth in the southern hemisphere population than in Ireland with a population of 7million odd and that squeezed into the major cities.

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - 15/11/2016 16:43:24    1934423

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Which grounds can host England. Their Anthem won't be welcome in a number of those grounds I'm sure.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 15/11/2016 16:52:00    1934427

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How ironic, without the GAA's help the IRFU could not host a rugby world cup. An amateur organisation being relied upon for a showcase world event. Hard to believe that the rugby fraternity which is supported by predominately by the middle to upper classes is not in a position to go solo on their bid to win the staging of it. GAA should do a serious cost benefit analysis on providing the stadia. Rugby is competing for the youth of tomorrow and are becoming very successful in developing interest throughout underage levels which is not a good thing for the GAA in promoting their games.

Adamski (Dublin) - 15/11/2016 17:00:29    1934429

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "On a serious not posters are these stadiums big enough and good enough for a Rugby World Cup ????"
did you not see the stadiums in new zealand?
their was grass banks behind the goals in one like in navan haha

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 15/11/2016 17:09:28    1934433

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Nothing in the midlands? O'Moore Park is the biggest county ground in Leinster, serviced by a motorway from the south and a train station.

Joke.

Cully (Laois) - 15/11/2016 17:20:31    1934434

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "On a serious not posters are these stadiums big enough and good enough for a Rugby World Cup ????"
there defo big enough
82,300 croker
45,000 killarney
45,000 paric ui chaoimh
42,000 mchale park
35,000 casement park
33,000 pearse stadium
27,800 nowlan park
22,000 celtic park

the actual rugby stadiums
51,700 aviva stadium
25,600 thomond park
18,500 rds
18,000 ravenhill

its bit weird that the most well known rugby place in ireland limerick has only one stadium put forward
when you consider
50,000 capacity gaelic grounds
25,600 capacity thomond park
and they went for thomond park solely with half the capacity of the gaelic grounds
yet put forward killarney instead with 5 thousand less capacity than the gaelic grounds
(although i rather terrace) it also only has one stand compared to two stands in gaelic grounds

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 15/11/2016 17:23:38    1934435

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