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Replying To janesboro: "on the comparing limerick v munster thing
the six limerick games only one had a big crowd that was v tipp , biggest crowd for footballers was 3k , last season the munster games even though struggling were better attended and were to me far more glamourous for a young set of eyes, this year with better results and better football being played the munster games are more glamourous and the kids are seeing more cj stander than cian lynch a lot more, last year we went to almost all the minor junior inter and 21s games involving limerick too, bear in mind some countines only do football so even less games to see , like all lads my lads see they see hurling the following day the play in the back and wanna be cian lynch or peter casey,
got to the stage last year where i started bringing the kids to games not involving limerick to satisfy our lust for big games . , munster final, all ireland semi, cork v tipp in thurles, clare v waterford, coz both they and i want to go to some big games. Most however wont bother and will stay at home , AS for football theres even less to watch down this way , there is a post on another thread ,
My son has not seen wexford play league hurling against tipp or the cats!!! I grew up on them games with wexford park buzzing.
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and due to geography games involving other counties are probably a lot less accessible for him/her than me. How is this fella going ot be inspired to play when he aint getting to see the great players on a somewhat regular basis
so again i think more bigger games may be the answer -more bigger games may lead to more coverage," gaa isnt about glamour..its about supporting your team...be it club or county or whatever....some mercenary brought in from abroad to play for ireland because he wasnt deemed good enough to play for another country is hardly something to aspire to be
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 21/02/2017 16:23:05
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Replying To janesboro: "soma Glad to see you finally accept that some of the rugby shown on RTE is not because of public interest but is to raise the profile of the sport, a number of posters have been trying to explain this to you for a long time.
eh nobody has tried to explain this to mean the reasoning that is put out on this site for womens and 20s being shown is that rte is pro rugby and anti gaa , which is now clearly not the case
again i will ask can you now accept the womens and 20s games are shown because of the irfu deal and not due to rte preferring rugby over gaa?
my suggestion is that the gaa insist as part of the deal for senior championship is that more camogies games are shown including a separate highlights show, was at some limerick camogie games last year - tis brilliant stuff
Another suggestion was that instead of RTE only showing a handful of players pushing each other as they leave the field at halftime as a games highlight, they show scores from the game, especially when the said game included one of the goals of the season.
Soma (UK) - Posts:1746 - 21/02/2017 10:27:31
firstly the game you refer to i think was armagh v fermanagh , showing the pushing at half time was nonsense , id say something if it was a proper brawl but this was more pushing and mouthing than anything. They should have showed the scores
immediately prior to this they did an excellent report on the dublin v monaghan game showing some great scores (i was in dublin for a club game that day so i went to that game) , id have preferred they did the same for both matches
that armagh game was brilliant -i recorded it and watched it later" why did you claim it was in the national interest so when you knew it wasnt?..as far as im aware the womens world cup deal has nothing to do with the irfu, the reason given was that the event is taking place here which is a weak 1 at best
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why did you claim it was in the national interest so when you knew it wasnt?..as far as im aware the womens world cup deal has nothing to do with the irfu, the reason given was that the event is taking place here which is a weak 1 at best
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:1729 - 21/02/2017 16:24:38 1
never said it was in the national interest - i merely claimed it was popular based on having 160k watching the scotland game a few weeks and previous viewing figures, to me thats a good crowd watch in it, i have no idea of what ratings the 20s gets and didnt know it was tied into senior international games until i saw ryles tweet of a couple of weeks back, not certain but i dont think myself the womens world cup is part of that irfu deal and no be honest i dont care if it is or isnt
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 21/02/2017 17:10:01
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gaa isnt about glamour..its about supporting your team...be it club or county or whatever...
who ya telling , have you ever gone to cheer your team in a division 4 league game with a crap attendance, see your team get beat and questioned your own sanity, ive done it already this year, biteasier for ye in dublin coz ye are winning, getting big crowds playing all your games at home in fine stadium ,
makes no difference to me coz im still supporting club and county/province success of no success -but the kiddies like it or not can be influenced by big crowds , big stadiums , big matches, seomtime even parents too -hence i believe the gaa is need to look at a championship system with more bigger games
.some mercenary brought in from abroad to play for ireland because he wasnt deemed good enough to play for another country is hardly something to aspire to be
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:1729 - 21/02/2017 16:23:05
dont agree -should barcelona fans not aspire to play like messi - he was brought in from abroad, of course they wanna play like him kids are always gonna aspire to level of great players whatever the sport, sure when i was a kid barney rock was my idol ... ... ok now i played more like barney rubble , for my lads now its the brogans and austin gleeson , problem is we dont see enough of them
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 21/02/2017 17:25:00
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any improvement suggestion alano heres some from me - they probably rubbish but ill give it a try- they may even be too costly
1 - a midweek camogie/ladies football show OR
2 - a return of the game on monday show from the 90s , 1.5 hour highlight show covering qualifiers,ring rackard meagher cups (which get little time onsunday game) and , camogie
maybe youd have to move the monday gaa show on tg4 which in fairness covers minors and 21s very well
3 - look at doing a highlights show for divs 3 and 4 of the football league
heres some more from apost on feb 5th last year
--Press releases with good news stories, look at my club at your club -plenty of them there
e.g. how gaa is helping kids stay fit, the excellent facilities, funding announcements.
--GAA send their own reporters and cameras to events i.e. media days and send them to all the tv stations.
--Maybe do a midweek highlights show (possibly focussing on games not covered by Sunday Game, Ladies football, camogie, underage) -from sunday to saturday there aint any live games to report or talk about. Maybe a second captains style GAA show. If need be GAA could commission it . HAve a referee on it to explain decisions.
Yes it would cost money but it would expose more people /kids to GAA.
--Some sort of kids TV programme with a GAA theme.
id also look at where possible staging as many camogie /ladies football double headers with the mens game - did it for camogie semis last year ,
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 21/02/2017 17:31:43
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Sure didn't the all ireland ladies football final last year have 500 thousand people tune in to tg4 to see it
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/02/2017 17:51:13
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Sure didn't the all ireland ladies football final last year have 500 thousand people tune in to tg4 to see it
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/02/2017 18:02:30
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Replying To alano12: "why did you claim it was in the national interest so when you knew it wasnt?..as far as im aware the womens world cup deal has nothing to do with the irfu, the reason given was that the event is taking place here which is a weak 1 at best" In hurling most counties have players from other stronger counties playimg for them including Dublin. They all mercenaries right
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Replying To hill16no1man: "Sure didn't the all ireland ladies football final last year have 500 thousand people tune in to tg4 to see it" https://www.balls.ie/gaa/ladies-football-final-record-attendance-310350
2015 final was he game the highest attended women's sporting event in Europe that year.
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 21/02/2017 19:11:05
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gaa isnt about glamour..its about supporting your team...be it club or county or whatever....some mercenary brought in from abroad to play for ireland because he wasnt deemed good enough to play for another country is hardly something to aspire to be
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:1729 - 21/02/2017 16:23:05 195
In hurling most counties have players from other stronger counties playimg for them including Dublin. They all mercenaries right
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts:4308 - 21/02/2017 18:12:13
only at levels below mccarthy cup - according to the leader article Reidy is now to be one of five 'permit players' for Joe Quaid in Kildare, while continuing to play club hurling in Limerick.
he was on limerick panel last year- he is good wish he was till with limerick
http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/231530/limerick-duo-join-kildare-hurling-ranks.html
http://www.hoganstand.com/forum/MessagePage.aspx?PageNumber=0&TopicID=99378
and good luck to them quaid is a limerick legend - if they achieve success with kildare i would be of the view that young kildare lads should aspire to play like them - i wouldnt view them as mercenaries
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 21/02/2017 19:18:18
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http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=266674
quote in this say "My opinion is that if a young lad wants to go and play soccer, you tell him you don't want him any more."
cant agree --kids should play all sports and never be discouraged from doing so -
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 21/02/2017 19:23:48
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Replying To bad.monkey: "In hurling most counties have players from other stronger counties playimg for them including Dublin. They all mercenaries right" where they brought over from south africa on the social basis of paying a large sum to get them playing for ireland?
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 21/02/2017 20:07:43
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Replying To janesboro: "why did you claim it was in the national interest so when you knew it wasnt?..as far as im aware the womens world cup deal has nothing to do with the irfu, the reason given was that the event is taking place here which is a weak 1 at best
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:1729 - 21/02/2017 16:24:38 1
never said it was in the national interest - i merely claimed it was popular based on having 160k watching the scotland game a few weeks and previous viewing figures, to me thats a good crowd watch in it, i have no idea of what ratings the 20s gets and didnt know it was tied into senior international games until i saw ryles tweet of a couple of weeks back, not certain but i dont think myself the womens world cup is part of that irfu deal and no be honest i dont care if it is or isnt" im pretty sure its not based off what ryle said..id imagine the 6 nations 1 is or id hope it is
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 21/02/2017 20:08:31
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Replying To janesboro: "gaa isnt about glamour..its about supporting your team...be it club or county or whatever...
who ya telling , have you ever gone to cheer your team in a division 4 league game with a crap attendance, see your team get beat and questioned your own sanity, ive done it already this year, biteasier for ye in dublin coz ye are winning, getting big crowds playing all your games at home in fine stadium ,
makes no difference to me coz im still supporting club and county/province success of no success -but the kiddies like it or not can be influenced by big crowds , big stadiums , big matches, seomtime even parents too -hence i believe the gaa is need to look at a championship system with more bigger games
.some mercenary brought in from abroad to play for ireland because he wasnt deemed good enough to play for another country is hardly something to aspire to be
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:1729 - 21/02/2017 16:23:05
dont agree -should barcelona fans not aspire to play like messi - he was brought in from abroad, of course they wanna play like him kids are always gonna aspire to level of great players whatever the sport, sure when i was a kid barney rock was my idol ... ... ok now i played more like barney rubble , for my lads now its the brogans and austin gleeson , problem is we dont see enough of them" messi was brought in as a child and brought through the youth system..we are talking about international sport here..theres a difference between a legend like doug howlett playing for munster and a lad from another country who the irfu paid large sums of money for so he could come over here and play for ireland
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 21/02/2017 20:09:53
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Replying To janesboro: "http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=266674
quote in this say "My opinion is that if a young lad wants to go and play soccer, you tell him you don't want him any more."
cant agree --kids should play all sports and never be discouraged from doing so -" disagree also but there is a growing issue with summer soccer now which seems to be taking on the gaa and is obviously going to clash with it..of course people should be encouraged to play all sports up until a certain age
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 21/02/2017 20:11:04
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Replying To bad.monkey: "In hurling most counties have players from other stronger counties playimg for them including Dublin. They all mercenaries right" how much are they getting paid by for it or do they just happen to be working in the county?..you know its not the same thing of course but continue being disingenuous
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 21/02/2017 20:11:57
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Replying To alano12: "how much are they getting paid by for it or do they just happen to be working in the county?..you know its not the same thing of course but continue being disingenuous" read the leader article -reidy is still going to play with drom athlacca here ie his limerick club and travel up to play for kildare while still living in limerick -
its a rule to help the lower tier counties whereby they can play with another county and remain with their home club
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 21/02/2017 20:28:04
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I certainly wouldnt consider Ryan O'Dwyer, Maurice O'Brien, Niall Corcoran..etc mercenaries for playing for Dublin but it appears another poster by the criteria judging CJ Stander . So every Dublin AI winner except Jim Byrne is mercenary. Who knew ? :)
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 21/02/2017 20:30:11
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Replying To janesboro: "gaa isnt about glamour..its about supporting your team...be it club or county or whatever...
who ya telling , have you ever gone to cheer your team in a division 4 league game with a crap attendance, see your team get beat and questioned your own sanity, ive done it already this year, biteasier for ye in dublin coz ye are winning, getting big crowds playing all your games at home in fine stadium ,
makes no difference to me coz im still supporting club and county/province success of no success -but the kiddies like it or not can be influenced by big crowds , big stadiums , big matches, seomtime even parents too -hence i believe the gaa is need to look at a championship system with more bigger games
.some mercenary brought in from abroad to play for ireland because he wasnt deemed good enough to play for another country is hardly something to aspire to be
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:1729 - 21/02/2017 16:23:05
dont agree -should barcelona fans not aspire to play like messi - he was brought in from abroad, of course they wanna play like him kids are always gonna aspire to level of great players whatever the sport, sure when i was a kid barney rock was my idol ... ... ok now i played more like barney rubble , for my lads now its the brogans and austin gleeson , problem is we dont see enough of them" wasnt always that way for us just flying last few years...do have relations in other counties and attended div 4 before...well aware of the frustration and how grim it can be!
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 21/02/2017 20:37:03
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Replying To bad.monkey: "I certainly wouldnt consider Ryan O'Dwyer, Maurice O'Brien, Niall Corcoran..etc mercenaries for playing for Dublin but it appears another poster by the criteria judging CJ Stander . So every Dublin AI winner except Jim Byrne is mercenary. Who knew ? :)" how much are they getting paid?...o dwyer lives in dublin as far as im aware
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 21/02/2017 20:52:33
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